alexc wrote on Fri, 28 May 2004 06:12 |
Can you be a little more specific: - What size venues are you playing in? - What kind of budget do you have? - What type of music do you play? Alex |
alexc wrote on Sat, 29 May 2004 15:03 |
2. Dimmer Packs 2x 4-Channel Dimmer (~$150+ each). I was about to recommend the 6-channel Behringer LD6230. It's a cheap, competent, DMX-controlled rack-mount dimmer. Then I remembered the American DJ DP-DMX4B. This is a little over half the price of the Behringer, and has the advantage of being small and light enough to mount on the lighting stand. It also has all the output sockets built-in, whereas you'd have to make up input and output cables for the Behringer. |
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god it must be sweet to have an open budget when producing a show |
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If I were a band member and newly looking for lighting, I'd not buy anything. I'd contact a rental house and see if I could hire them to run the whole thing for me. A bit more expensive, but I'd end up getting more and better and newer. |
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At the local and regional level, renting is not an option. The prices for even a small lighting rental will far exceed what the band is making for the entire gig! While some rental houses have put together very basic systems for rent (like 2 trees with 4 pars each, tree dimmers and a small controller) that may be reasonably cheap, the fact is that to rent any moving lights at all will cost over $100 ea! A small system like you described (4 Color Commanders and 2 moving heads will start at about $800 including labor and skyrocket up! Most local and regional bands don't even make that kind of money per gig to spend it all on a simple (and probably boring with so few fixtures) light show. Craig |
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A. Rentals aren't that expensive in every market. 4 moving head and 2 color commanders can be rented for around $450 in Chicago. Labor would be another $200. But then, you'd have a professional show. B. They'd only be boring if the programmer doesn't have any imagination. In my hands even a crappy band would look good. Maybe not sound good, but they'd look good. |
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A. $450-650 is still more than most bars bands make per night! I also wouldn't call a 6 fixture rig a "professional show". While it may be comprised of 6 expensive fixtures, its still just 6 fixtures. Also, 4 moving heads are quite heavy. In most clubs your rigging options will be limited, unless you want to ground stack the units or place them on trunks. Otherwise, you will need additional rigging to hang them (like trees or truss) adding to the cost of the rental. And last, many moving fixtures need more than a simple 15-20 amp Edison outlet for power. Many units require 20-30 amps or more per fixture, or even 220 volts. Most clubs are hard pressed to get enough power for the band's backline and PA. Adding high power movers may not be an option, and even if the club has the available power, you will have to rent a PD or other power accs to make the show happen, adding more cost to the rental. B. There is only so much you can do with 6 fixtures. While I'm sure a good programmer can make them move around and look cool and different for every song, the fact remains that there are only 6 fixtures. You can barely light up a trio in a club with 6 wash fixtures! One of the main goals of stage lighting is to ILLUMINATE the performers so the audience can see them. For that you need an adequate stage wash. 2 Color Changers are not what I call an adequate stage wash, even for a trio. A way better choice for a small local type band is lots of smaller wattage Par Cans or color changers and if you must have some movers, go with smaller moving mirror fixtures like Martins or HE TrackSpots. But get a bunch of wash light on the band so they are illuminated! |
len wrote on Fri, 04 June 2004 20:54 |
A. Rentals aren't that expensive in every market. 4 moving head and 2 color commanders can be rented for around $450 in Chicago. Labor would be another $200. But then, you'd have a professional show. B. They'd only be boring if the programmer doesn't have any imagination. In my hands even a crappy band would look good. Maybe not sound good, but they'd look good. |
len wrote on Sat, 05 June 2004 14:32 |
A small stage (less than 30 x 12 deep) can be illuminated by 2 CC. |
len wrote on Sat, 05 June 2004 14:32 |
Yeah, they could be run off the floor or off cases. Trussing isn't that necessary. Likely the only way to put a truss up in most small to mid sized venues is to use ground support. Rigging would be too costly. Which is another reason why movers are more economical. Less time and less expense in set up. |
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A small stage (less than 30 x 12 deep) can be illuminated by 2 CC. 4 is better for color mixing but 2 will do fine. And they're not color CHANGERS, they're color mixers. Each light can produce a much wider range of colors than any bunch of pars ever could, especially for the price, the size, and the power draw. And 8 par 64 with 500 watt lamps will pull 4000 watts if all on. That's roughly 40 amps. 4 good quality movers, such as Studio Spots or Mac 250 series will draw about 1/4th that. Yeah, they could be run off the floor or off cases. Trussing isn't that necessary. Likely the only way to put a truss up in most small to mid sized venues is to use ground support. Rigging would be too costly. Which is another reason why movers are more economical. Less time and less expense in set up. So you drop movers around the stage and they become spotlights for each performer, in addition to adding effect lighting, gobos on the cyc (the back wall), strobing, etc. And each one could likely be aimed at 2 or 3 performers as needed, as opposed to pars, which can't be moved once the show starts. |