Jay Barracato wrote on Wed, 03 June 2009 09:33 |
I don't have any real experience with dsp/system control units other than occasional use of the low end driveracks. Here is the specific problem: I would like to get even coverage in a long rectangular room at maximum 90-100 db over the listening area. This is for acoustic music so I don't want to have to blast the front rows to get the sound levels in the rear of the room. It seems to me that this could be accomplished by adding delayed fills for the rear of the room using my HPR 152's on stands. The question comes up for how to provide the delay. In my searching, I did not any dedicated delay units that I thought were price effective especially if you are going to set up more than one zone. In looking at the system control/dsp units, I think that a 4 input/8 output unit would fit my needs perfectly, and the price on the units I was looking at was definitely less than trying to get crossovers/peq/delay for 8 channels. I looked at the specs for dbx, sabine, ashly, among others. I think the Ashly Protea 4.24C fits these needs extremely well. I would be interested in hearing comments about this specific application (either running zone delay for powered speakers or specifically the ashly unit or other comparable units). Thanks Jay P.S. Other than Sam Ash online, my searching did not turn up any ashly dealers I recognize the name of. If anyone knows an ashley dealer I might talk too, let me know (If you are a ashly dealer I wouldn't mind a pm) |
Mike Pyle wrote on Wed, 03 June 2009 11:19 |
I'm an Ashly dealer, and more than once have considered the 4.24C as a system controller. What kills it for me is that the available delay is mostly stacked up on the input side vs the outputs, which is not what I want for delay cabinet processing. |
Dick Rees wrote on Wed, 03 June 2009 11:29 |
What do you mean by "zones"? If it is all in one room a triple-tap delay will give you 3 "zones". I use Sabine GrphiQ units for delay/EQ quite a bit and find them easy to use, reliable and sonically good. For complex delay setups I use a combination of single and triple-tap units. But only if it is a major production with plenty of time for system deployment and tuning. And I'm confused about just why you think you have to have 8 channels of delay. You delay the mix, not the channels. |
Mike Pyle wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 10:39 |
Following up on my post above regarding the 4.24C delay, I see that Ashly is introducing new models, the 4.8SP and 3.6SP, and has addressed my complaint by giving each of these units the same amount of delay on inputs & outputs (682.5 ms). They also added USB connectivity. Here's a link to the 4x8 unit: http://www.ashly.com/protea48sp4x8spe.html I'll have to ask about availability. |
Jeff Hague wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 09:38 | ||
Any idea on the street price for these 2? Thanks! |
Jay Barracato wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 11:35 | ||
Dick, Maybe I would have been clearer by saying fills, I simply mean additional speakers towards the rear of the room to increase the sound as the stage speakers drop off in volume. I read the thread you started a couple of years ago and it seems we were asking about the same basic thing. I am still not sure what you mean by a triple tap delay (unless it is simply a 1 in 3 out delay unit). Could you give me a product name as an example I can look up? I wasn't really considering having 8 channels of delay. It just seemed that the "all in one speaker controls" gave me more processing power at a cheaper price than buying stand alone units. I would like to have the capability in my rack of L/R at stage with good PeQ or GeQ, L/R delayed with eq, MON1 and MON2 with eq. I thought that the 4 x 8 of the ashly would do this, but Tom pointed out something quirky about when the delay is assigned and I am not sure I can easily just pass my L/R through for the stage. Jay |
Dick Rees wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 11:44 |
...Don't over think this and spend money for a lot of bells and whistles you don't need. The Protea system and such like is just over-kill just to get a little delay. |
Mike Pyle wrote on Thu, 04 June 2009 14:04 | ||
I disagree. For the price of 2 channels of dedicated Rane delay you can buy a 2x6 dsp that gives you much greater capability. I'd rather have all my system processing taken care of in one component than a bunch of units patched together. |