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Title: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on November 10, 2020, 04:28:54 AM
Just a quick video. Not sure of the market but someone may find it useful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGGtkdpz5xo&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3c8CYxNZthLEe4y6Uc56ItmJ6iS7eGsjbS03BNrkIrtNUCp73Pw8RjaQI

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Steve M Smith on November 10, 2020, 04:31:28 AM
There are a few things I do which that would be great for.


Steve.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on November 10, 2020, 04:44:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QshZUUJU0X0

Douglas R. Allen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39ZavY-mGuk
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Jay Marr on November 10, 2020, 08:59:16 AM
Hmmm....that may be nice for acoustic duo gigs.

Bluetooth connectivity for remote seems interesting.  Curious to see how stable it ends up being.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Dan Richardson on November 10, 2020, 10:06:51 AM
Just a quick video. Not sure of the market but someone may find it useful.

No moving faders. No ethernet control. No thanks.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 10, 2020, 10:56:55 AM
It can be controlled via usb-midi as well. Faders are catch-and-release and their position can be seen on the scribble.

No moving faders. No ethernet control. No thanks.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Alec Spence on November 10, 2020, 11:59:56 AM
At that pricing, an XR18 is barely any more for a *lot* more I/O and functionality.

Everything on these is "nearly but not quite".  Nice to have physical faders, and understandable that they're not motorised, but they'd drive you potty.  Unsure about Bluetooth control, too.  At least with a network interface, you have the option of your choice of external router and a hardwired connection if required.

Given that you need an external device to configure this, why not go the whole hog and have a surfaceless mixer.  I actually think the hybrid is confusing.  Yes, it's small, but it's easy to mount a tablet/phone on a mic stand with a stagebox mixer in a more sensible location.

That said, I think I'm not the target market...
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 10, 2020, 12:46:46 PM
The pricing is €199 plus taxes. That video mentioning the price is from Australia and they use AU-dollars. I think that their import taxes are slightly high as well. Not everyone in the world are using US-dollars. :-)

Much can already be controlled by the surface. Only the deep down stuff needs to be accessed from an app.

https://youtu.be/7MTL3gZNgcA

I think that it is a very cool mixer. I love that it can be powered from usb/battery.

At that pricing, an XR18 is barely any more for a *lot* more I/O and functionality.

Everything on these is "nearly but not quite".  Nice to have physical faders, and understandable that they're not motorised, but they'd drive you potty.  Unsure about Bluetooth control, too.  At least with a network interface, you have the option of your choice of external router and a hardwired connection if required.

Given that you need an external device to configure this, why not go the whole hog and have a surfaceless mixer.  I actually think the hybrid is confusing.  Yes, it's small, but it's easy to mount a tablet/phone on a mic stand with a stagebox mixer in a more sensible location.

That said, I think I'm not the target market...
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Daniel Levi on November 10, 2020, 01:38:20 PM
I guess it's designed for "content creators" plus with is being USB powered makes it highly portable. 199€ is about 60€ cheaper than an XR12 so it isn't a huge amount less but it is designed for a different market so cost comparisons are difficult.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 10, 2020, 01:46:54 PM
Not €299, it is €199.

I guess it's designed for "content creators" plus with is being USB powered makes it highly portable. 299€ is about 60€ cheaper than an XR12 so it isn't a huge amount less but it is designed for a different market so cost comparisons are difficult.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Daniel Levi on November 10, 2020, 01:57:13 PM
Not €299, it is €199.

That's me not checking after typing, 199€ is what I meant, I got the price differential right at least, Thomann have the XR12 at 259€ inc. 19% tax on the German site. 
Original post also corrected.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 10, 2020, 02:59:29 PM
Ah, ok.

A big diff from the xr12 is the multitrack option via usb. The xr12 can’t connect to your phone/tablet either using coreaudio. It is also perfect if you are a youtuber or similar and need to connect several audio sources to your camera, if you are outside and have no access to power.

I have to say that I was pleasantly surprised when using it...

That's me not checking after typing, 199€ is what I meant, I got the price differential right at least, Thomann have the XR12 at 259€ inc. 19% tax on the German site. 
Original post also corrected.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Scott Bolt on November 10, 2020, 07:57:55 PM
Hmmm....that may be nice for acoustic duo gigs.

Bluetooth connectivity for remote seems interesting.  Curious to see how stable it ends up being.
If they used a Bluetooth class 1 transceiver, it should be just fine within around 300 feet.  Keep in mind that BT operates on the 2.4Ghz band; however, I can tell you from experience in BT design, that because of the newer BT modules and their ability to frequency hop, I have had significant success with throughput and range even in a CRAZY crowded AAPEX show in Vegas where there was no possible way to get any 2.4Ghz WiFi throughput yet the BT was able to stream live vehicle data operating at high speed CAN speeds until around 300 feet!  This was in the worst possible scenario for BT.  Of course, it all depends on the components used, the effectiveness of the integrated antenna, and the connection parameters they employed.  My team spent considerable time researching and comparing bluetooth options before we settled on our implementation.

Hopefully Behringer spent the time to do it right as well.

I wonder how the sound quality compares to my trusty ZED 10fx?  Robert, do you know the details of the channel processing?  (and if you do, can you tell us ;) ).
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Scott Bolt on November 10, 2020, 08:05:10 PM
The mic stand mechanicals look like a terrible idea.  That is a pretty serious lever they have implemented.  I got a dollar that says something breaks.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Scott Holtzman on November 10, 2020, 11:29:54 PM
I think it has a place.  Want to take a look.  This may be just what Art was looking for going to revisit that thread.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Russell Ault on November 11, 2020, 12:57:38 AM
[...] This may be just what Art was looking for going to revisit that thread.

That's funny; that was exactly the reaction I had!

-Russ
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Steve M Smith on November 11, 2020, 03:10:04 AM
No moving faders. No ethernet control. No thanks.
Just the motorised faders would make it more attractive for me.




Steve.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Nathan Riddle on November 11, 2020, 07:56:24 AM
This is exactly what I've been looking for. I found it crazy there was nothing compact with enough IO for one or two singers + instruments while having monitors and some basic FX.

Analog or digital but extra dsp of digital is nice for EQ and comp!

Slam-dunk IMO. Weve been looking for something with faders that can do what xair18 can do.

Definitely will grab one to use in place of the xair18 for faders.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: John Fruits on November 11, 2020, 08:39:58 AM
This looks like the US price:
Sweetwater (https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Flow8--behringer-flow-8-8-input-digital-mixer-with-bluetooth)
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 11, 2020, 11:13:09 AM
Currently the channel processing is fairly basic with four fixed eq bands, hpf, single knob compressor. Enought for the basic stuff.

They had less advanced users in mind, but there is talk about making it a bit more advanced based upon user feedback.

I found nothing bad with the preamps. Using a sm7b on a whisperer without a cloudlifter would be a stretch though ;-)

I would be able to mix a small band/jazz-trio without any apparent issues. I found it to be a great soundcard for my laptop, especially since it can run on usb power and the headphone output is delivering a loud signal. Only caveat for some users could be that it is currently locked at 48k. This doesn’t bother me since I’ve settled on 48k since many years, but people doing 44k may disagree.


Hopefully Behringer spent the time to do it right as well.

I wonder how the sound quality compares to my trusty ZED 10fx?  Robert, do you know the details of the channel processing?  (and if you do, can you tell us ;) ).
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Dave Pluke on November 11, 2020, 03:01:40 PM
Currently the channel processing is fairly basic with four fixed eq bands, hpf, single knob compressor. Enought for the basic stuff.

Seems like that'd be a good solution for the small, corporate/breakout "just set it up and we'll turn it on" events.

That said, so is the Soundcraft Notepad mixer at $150US less.

Dave
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Russell Ault on November 11, 2020, 04:04:43 PM
Currently the channel processing is fairly basic with four fixed eq bands, hpf, single knob compressor. [...]

The more I think about this, the more I wonder: has this console fallen into the PreSonus StudioLive trap? With no motorized faders, no parametric EQ, and no actual dynamics section, this console doesn't appear to do much of anything that a small analogue console couldn't do just as well, except that with no physical EQ controls (let alone per-channel) it doesn't have any of the advantages of a small analogue console either. It starts to feel like the worst of both worlds...

-Russ
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Tim McCulloch on November 11, 2020, 06:06:26 PM
The more I think about this, the more I wonder: has this console fallen into the PreSonus StudioLive trap? With no motorized faders, no parametric EQ, and no actual dynamics section, this console doesn't appear to do much of anything that a small analogue console couldn't do just as well, except that with no physical EQ controls (let alone per-channel) it doesn't have any of the advantages of a small analogue console either. It starts to feel like the worst of both worlds...

-Russ
Seems like that'd be a good solution for the small, corporate/breakout "just set it up and we'll turn it on" events.

That said, so is the Soundcraft Notepad mixer at $150US less.

Dave


I have a Soundcraft Notepad.  I'd love a 4 band EQ with a separate HPF on each input and XLR outputs.... but not for double the price.

If the faders don't move I'd rather have rotary encoders with a concentric position display (think:  PM5D).
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Brian Jojade on November 11, 2020, 07:47:58 PM
The more I think about this, the more I wonder: has this console fallen into the PreSonus StudioLive trap? With no motorized faders, no parametric EQ, and no actual dynamics section, this console doesn't appear to do much of anything that a small analogue console couldn't do just as well, except that with no physical EQ controls (let alone per-channel) it doesn't have any of the advantages of a small analogue console either. It starts to feel like the worst of both worlds...

-Russ

There are definite use cases for something like this.  A lot of places need a dirt simple mixer that have very few knobs so people can turn up and down the volume.  But, either you end up with more knobs that people will screw up, or just get confused with, or you end up with a mixer that doesn't have any control capabilities at all.

This would be nice for the cases where you can set things up, make the EQ adjustments you need, then leave just the sliders there for the people to operate. Without the app, they don't get to go in and muck with stuff accidentally.

And physical controls are WAY better than touch interface for this sort of thing.

Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Russell Ault on November 11, 2020, 08:18:22 PM
There are definite use cases for something like this.  A lot of places need a dirt simple mixer that have very few knobs so people can turn up and down the volume.  But, either you end up with more knobs that people will screw up, or just get confused with, or you end up with a mixer that doesn't have any control capabilities at all.

This would be nice for the cases where you can set things up, make the EQ adjustments you need, then leave just the sliders there for the people to operate. Without the app, they don't get to go in and muck with stuff accidentally.

And physical controls are WAY better than touch interface for this sort of thing.

Okay, so basically this is an analogue console with a simple-to-use lockout feature. I can definitely see the market for that, but at that point wouldn't it be cheaper to take an existing small analogue mixer and replace all the knobs with trim-pots?

-Russ
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Craig Hauber on November 11, 2020, 09:04:18 PM
Okay, so basically this is an analogue console with a simple-to-use lockout feature. I can definitely see the market for that, but at that point wouldn't it be cheaper to take an existing small analogue mixer and replace all the knobs with trim-pots?

-Russ
channel compressors and output limiters.
-no small analog has those
and for set&leave small-PA duties those really help with the idiot-proofing. (and make your rental systems that little bit better sounding than your competition's)

This will reduce my needed kit considerably for quite a few of my clients
-now only if they came out with a "PA head" box-mixer style version with a couple built-in power amps!
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: MattLeonard on November 11, 2020, 10:27:36 PM
I think there's a good niche for this - for DJ's, small events, press conferences etc - I often dream of a small digital mixer actual knobs/faders for quick adjustments, with ~2-4 XLR/mic inputs, 1-2 aux sends, a decent EQ, and a decent compressor.

My go-to is an A&H Zed10fx - since it at least has an HPF and semi-parametric mid-band EQ, and usable (but not great) effects. But if I could have that with some compression -that would be the dream.

Why can't someone make a small mixer that has deeper functionality (EQ, dynamic control, effects etc) via a tablet/phone - but still some basic analog knobs too?

-Matt
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Nathan Riddle on November 11, 2020, 10:31:05 PM
Okay, so basically this is an analogue console with a simple-to-use lockout feature. I can definitely see the market for that, but at that point wouldn't it be cheaper to take an existing small analogue mixer and replace all the knobs with trim-pots?

-Russ

Eh not really; there's plenty of crappy small mixers out there.

What there isn't is a jack-of-all trades small mixer.
With this I can replace 3-5 mixer types.

1) Client needs a small sound-system for whatever, 2x K12's a mic and an iPod hookup; no one has 1/8" jacks anymore so the BT is fantastic, the faders and no controls are perfect for pre-setup; label; and push faders. Zed10FX isn't that (too many controls, no BT).
2) Client needs small setup for a singer-songwriter or small trio, or tiny band, or whatever... Nearly all require monitor sends and reverb. But needs to be simple enough for client & musician to use. The compressor and 4-band EQ + HPF are icing on the cake. Sure i'd like PEQ & advanced comp settings, but I'm happy with just some basics.
2b) Same as above, but there's now someone who can mix from their phone/tablet and can run an entire act/stage at a festival
3) USB interface for SMAART or tracks, or recording, whatever.
4) Backup mixer in gig-bag.
5) Corporate breakout room (one lectern mic, maybe sound, maybe
6) DJ like Matt said...

Replaces:
1) Zed10FX + BT
2) Nothing really; Zed10FX or Soundcraft-NP are both: no faders, only one monitor send, only one FX, no compressors.
2b) xAir18
3) UMC404HD
4) Zed10FX
5) Soundcraft Notepad-5
6) Soundcraft Notepad-5

Robert, where can I pre-order one? Who's Behringer's new US distributor?
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 12, 2020, 08:03:55 AM
I honestly don’t know. I live in Sweden so I have limited knowledge about the US market. I know that Holloway is a rep, so maybe you can call them?

Unfortunately the US pricing is a bit higher at $300 compared to the Europe price of €200. I’m told that the China trade tariffs are to blame...

Btw, the app has been released to google and apple appstores so you should be able to download it any day now.

Robert, where can I pre-order one? Who's Behringer's new US distributor?
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Jordan Wolf on November 12, 2020, 12:46:51 PM
...I often dream of a small digital mixer actual knobs/faders for quick adjustments, with ~2-4 XLR/mic inputs, 1-2 aux sends, a decent EQ, and a decent compressor.
A number of us are still looking for a 1402-killer, although I don't know how much value there is in producing equipment for in-person events at this time.

My hope is that this unit will spur some manufacturer to put out a slightly larger variant with more direct control. Add in input and output PEQ, variable HPF, compression and automixing and you'll corner the market on breakout mixers, lol. Heck, throw in AEC and auto mix-minus and you'll nab the hybrid streaming market, too.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Russell Ault on November 12, 2020, 02:25:53 PM
[...]
My hope is that this unit will spur some manufacturer to put out a slightly larger variant with more direct control. Add in input and output PEQ, variable HPF, compression and automixing and you'll corner the market on breakout mixers, lol. Heck, throw in AEC and auto mix-minus and you'll nab the hybrid streaming market, too.

This is a big part of what bugs me. From a manufacturing standpoint these features would have added little to the cost of development and nothing to the cost of manufacturing (except, perhaps, for the AEC). Honestly, if this thing had the internal logic of an X-Air I'd have been much more willing to forgive the non-motorized faders and lack of surface controls (because those are expensive), but it bugs me to see a piece of equipment that appears to have been artificially hamstrung by design.

[...]
With this I can replace 3-5 mixer types.

1) Client needs a small sound-system for whatever, 2x K12's a mic and an iPod hookup; no one has 1/8" jacks anymore so the BT is fantastic, the faders and no controls are perfect for pre-setup; label; and push faders. Zed10FX isn't that (too many controls, no BT).
2) Client needs small setup for a singer-songwriter or small trio, or tiny band, or whatever... Nearly all require monitor sends and reverb. But needs to be simple enough for client & musician to use. The compressor and 4-band EQ + HPF are icing on the cake. Sure i'd like PEQ & advanced comp settings, but I'm happy with just some basics.
2b) Same as above, but there's now someone who can mix from their phone/tablet and can run an entire act/stage at a festival
3) USB interface for SMAART or tracks, or recording, whatever.
4) Backup mixer in gig-bag.
5) Corporate breakout room (one lectern mic, maybe sound, maybe
6) DJ like Matt said...
[...]

I'm not in the PA provider business so I don't ever deal with 1, 2, or 6 (actually, as a freelancer, I'm technically in the business of trying to convince clients that 1 and 2 should never happen :D ), but if I had to pick a single solution for 2b through 5 I would way rather have some kind of X-Air. I love physical faders, but unless I'm line-mixing a musical I'll trade them for a PEQ and a real compressor on every channel every single time. Personally, I curse under my breath every time I'm stuck using an analogue console because of how limited the solutions are, and I feel like the FLOW 8 would have me cursing just as much.

-Russ
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Brian Jojade on November 12, 2020, 06:30:43 PM
This is a big part of what bugs me. From a manufacturing standpoint these features would have added little to the cost of development and nothing to the cost of manufacturing (except, perhaps, for the AEC). Honestly, if this thing had the internal logic of an X-Air I'd have been much more willing to forgive the non-motorized faders and lack of surface controls (because those are expensive), but it bugs me to see a piece of equipment that appears to have been artificially hamstrung by design.

If they would have just cut a few sliders into the Xair and sold that as an option, that would be awesome too.  I dislike the Xair becasue there's NO option to control anything without an additional hookup.

Having 8 sliders and a main volume control as the only external knobs would be incredible. If you want access to more, then bring out the tablet and have at it.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Russell Ault on November 12, 2020, 08:26:44 PM
If they would have just cut a few sliders into the Xair and sold that as an option, that would be awesome too.  I dislike the Xair becasue there's NO option to control anything without an additional hookup.

Having 8 sliders and a main volume control as the only external knobs would be incredible. If you want access to more, then bring out the tablet and have at it.

Well, I mean, they kind of did with the X-Touch, but I get that that's not quite what you're looking for.

I would guess that the problem is one of economics: DSP is almost free, I/O can be made quite cheaply, but physical controls are expensive to design, expensive to prototype, and expensive to manufacture. There's a reason the X-Touch costs almost twice as much as the XR12 its controlling, and I would guess that an XR18 with the controls you're looking for wouldn't be all that much cheaper to manufacture (especially once R&D costs are factored in) than an X32 Producer, which would make it a hard sell.

-Russ
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Brian Jojade on November 12, 2020, 08:51:06 PM
Well, I mean, they kind of did with the X-Touch, but I get that that's not quite what you're looking for.

Yes, the X-touch coupled with the XR12 is close, but that's still too many buttons and too many connections.

Literally, if they offered an Xair 12 with 8 channel controllers and one big knob for master volume and that's it, The X-touch mini is pretty close. The few extra buttons could be ignored. Too bad it doesn't work with the little mixers or I'd have a bunch of them.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Steve M Smith on November 13, 2020, 03:08:50 AM
If they would have just cut a few sliders into the Xair and sold that as an option, that would be awesome too.  I dislike the Xair becasue there's NO option to control anything without an additional hookup.


I sometimes used to use my XR with just an X-Touch and no laptop or tablet. The only things you can't do, which needed setting up in advance, were selecting the effects and writing the scribble strips. I was considering a small rack case with the two mounted together, but ended up getting a Soundcraft SI Compact, followed by an M32R.


I think a bigger version of this Flow mixer with twelve XLR inputs and moiving faders would be great for the sort of things we used to use Mix Wizards for.


Steve.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Alec Spence on November 13, 2020, 11:06:20 AM
Yes, the X-touch coupled with the XR12 is close, but that's still too many buttons and too many connections.

Literally, if they offered an Xair 12 with 8 channel controllers and one big knob for master volume and that's it, The X-touch mini is pretty close. The few extra buttons could be ignored. Too bad it doesn't work with the little mixers or I'd have a bunch of them.

I sometimes used to use my XR with just an X-Touch and no laptop or tablet. The only things you can't do, which needed setting up in advance, were selecting the effects and writing the scribble strips. I was considering a small rack case with the two mounted together, but ended up getting a Soundcraft SI Compact, followed by an M32R.

I think a bigger version of this Flow mixer with twelve XLR inputs and moiving faders would be great for the sort of things we used to use Mix Wizards for.

Just these last two replies reinforce the issue that everyone wants a different interface - some want more controls, some want fewer, and there will never be the perfect interface.  I think that's why small/cheap digital mixer market is going to tend to be controlled by a separate device.

Yes, I'd love to be able to use some hardware controls with my XR18, but an X-Touch more than doubles the package size of the mixer, adds cables, and is quite pernickety to use for anything other than channel faders.

On the other hand, while my phone/tablet isn't tactile, Mixing Station is a comprehensive interface, is constantly being enhanced, and is so customisable that I *can* have exactly the interface I want, albeit not tactile.  Plus I can choose which device(s) to bring with it.  For some small events it'll just be my phone.  For others it will be a small/large tablet and/or laptop.  This is where surfaceless mixing excels, it leverages the interfaces you (probably) already own and cuts a whole load of cost from the core product.

Honestly, I don't think there'll ever be the "1402 killer" as, in digital world, it'll never be that compact, and it'll never have an interface to keep everyone happy.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Scott Bolt on November 13, 2020, 04:42:45 PM
Compared to my Zed 10fx which runs $330:

1)  Same number of "channels"
2)  A few less physical input types (no big deal)
3)  Has faders instead of knobs!
4)  Much better efx (especially reverb)
5)  More efx
6)  Has a compressor
7)  Has an output EQ
8)  10x2 USB recording capability (with a PC)
9)  Can be controlled wirelessly over bluetooth with a phone app
10) Can receive a bluetooth music stream from a device (like a phone)
11)  Can be powered via a battery or USB charger.
12)  Has individual clip LED's per channel
13)  Has 2 physical sends (monitors)

It appears to have some other nick nacks as well, but none I would ever consider using ;)

My venerable ZED 10Fx:

1)  Has more physical input fixtures (RCA's, 1/4" and XLR), but not many
2)  Has separate "listen" buttons for each input.
3)  Has more physical controls
4)  Doesn't "NEED" an app to setup.
5)  Has a single sweepable mid in the channel eq.
6)  Has a physical insert on the outputs.

Sweetwater has the Flow 8 at the same price as I would pay for another ZED 10fx.  I gotta say .... seems like a real no brainer.

The King is dead ...... long live the king :).  I think it is a nice little mixer.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Daniel Levi on November 13, 2020, 04:53:30 PM
I suppose buying it from Thomann even with shipping + tax would make it even cheaper, if it 199€ in Germany with 19% VAT that would make it ~161€ or ~$190, even with shipping at about $52 it still makes it cheaper, plus as it's USB powered there is no problems with it being the wrong voltage.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 13, 2020, 05:22:29 PM
Flow8 has solo on each channel, but only accessible from the app.

The thomann price is €197 + tax.

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2)  Has separate "listen" buttons for each input.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: James Paul on November 13, 2020, 10:12:58 PM
Bad on me if I may have missed it, but EFX to monitors ?
One device BT control at a time FYI.
'YouToobers', a 2020 burgeoning market segment, and MG evidently ready to respond it would seem.
From Flow to Wing, quite the niche products in search of a market IMO.
2 bits that the Flow is a no go for Art. Perhaps a new wunder-box compact from Uli & CO is worth a mention (Robert).

Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Art Welter on November 14, 2020, 04:00:53 PM
2 bits that the Flow is a no go for Art.
The Flow8 is short 10 mic inputs, two monitor outputs, and doesn't have the EQ, comps or gates I'm looking for in a small mixer, so no go for me.
The Flow8 does look like a good bang for the buck, it would cover the needs for a lot of small gigs without being overly complicated.

Art
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Paul G. OBrien on November 14, 2020, 05:48:47 PM
This thing is so close to being the perfect small gig mixer for the types of events I do but a few things I don't get...

- Why graphic EQs in this day and age? They appear to be wide bandwidth which is good for tone shaping but useless for notching out feedback. With parametric you can do both and an RTA would help there but it's not absolutely necessary.
- No speaker delays on the aux outs, may be able to use one of the EFX for this but then you can't use that engine for what it's intended for.

I got no problem with the form factor but this unit appears to me to be targeted directly at the podcast crowd, it has enough features for that use but it's just a little too basic for live sound apps, maybe they will make another version with a bit more functionality under the hood.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Scott Bolt on November 14, 2020, 08:31:11 PM
I don't know guys.  I think it pretty much spanks the pants off of my venerable ZED 10fx and does so for less money.

I think that Behringer should have put a full PEQ capability on the channel eq.  Maybe an "easy eq" button that changed it over to a simple eq for those that don't need, or don't understand a PEQ.  Aside from that, there really isn't much to complain about IMO. 

I have monitored the small form factor market for years.  Really, I have mostly recommended either the ZED or the Soundcraft signature 10 for things like this, but really, the Flow 8 offers much more for much less money.

Am I missing something?

Sure, I don't think this would have been a contender against a MixWiz.... but that was also a 1K mixer! (and was heavy as a tank).  I don't think that this mixer is targeting this market.

Solo, duo work, Karaoke, DJ, etc.  Plenty of market for such a little capable mixer.

What else would you guys recommend for these kinds of gigs?
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Luke Geis on November 14, 2020, 11:35:45 PM
This does fill a few markets. I know of a dance studio where the owner wanted exactly everything this thing has to offer. BT, full phone-based control, and simple on the fly ability to control key channels. The average punters don't understand parametric EQ, so graphic EQ is at least better than nothing. I know a few female artists that rely on their looks more so than their raw talent ( for lack of a better way of putting it ) and always need help with sound, they know enough to get from point A to B, and this would get them much further with a simple format they can wrap their heads around. I know a few groups that are all male that suffer from similar deficiencies, but with a different kind of attitude..... Point is that it is a pretty nice tool that allows you to get to a point, save it, and have at least semi repeatable results and easy on the fly changes can still be made.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 15, 2020, 05:54:09 AM
They wanted to make a simple to use mixer. However, given the current feedback I think that you’ll get a peq on the flow8 fairly soon.

Since it is dsp-based they can adapt it to user needs not being restricted to any surface controls.

This thing is so close to being the perfect small gig mixer for the types of events I do but a few things I don't get...

- Why graphic EQs in this day and age? They appear to be wide bandwidth which is good for tone shaping but useless for notching out feedback. With parametric you can do both and an RTA would help there but it's not absolutely necessary.
- No speaker delays on the aux outs, may be able to use one of the EFX for this but then you can't use that engine for what it's intended for.

I got no problem with the form factor but this unit appears to me to be targeted directly at the podcast crowd, it has enough features for that use but it's just a little too basic for live sound apps, maybe they will make another version with a bit more functionality under the hood.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Nathan Riddle on November 15, 2020, 08:55:12 AM
Largest restriction IMO is BT audio and BT control isnt possible. Only one at a time.


Edit: not true, see Robert's post. (https://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,174606.msg1611107.html#msg1611107)

I'd like 3 things:
1) PEQ on inputs and outputs.
2) Compressor advanced mode (I usually find the one-knob compressors add insane amounts of makeup gain)
3) Delay on outputs

Am I missing something?

They wanted to make a simple to use mixer. However, given the current feedback I think that you’ll get a peq on the flow8 fairly soon.

Since it is dsp-based they can adapt it to user needs not being restricted to any surface controls.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Dan Richardson on November 15, 2020, 09:34:50 AM
Largest restriction IMO is BT audio and BT control isnt possible. Only one at a time.

Wut? Seriously?
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Paul G. OBrien on November 15, 2020, 10:20:06 AM
Largest restriction IMO is BT audio and BT control isnt possible. Only one at a time.
Yeah that is a real gotcha if it's true. I expect there is some unused DSP power available but even if there isn't it would be nice if we got to at least select the features we want in a later SW release. Given the price point I expect I'm going to grab one or two of these anyway, it's still got more functionality than the small analog mixers I currently use for DJs and small live events.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Scott Bolt on November 15, 2020, 02:08:27 PM
Yeah that is a real gotcha if it's true. I expect there is some unused DSP power available but even if there isn't it would be nice if we got to at least select the features we want in a later SW release. Given the price point I expect I'm going to grab one or two of these anyway, it's still got more functionality than the small analog mixers I currently use for DJs and small live events.
I can assure you that BT communications is not much of a load on a CPU.  If they can't accept a stream and allow bt control at the same time, it is because the bt radio they are using can't do it IMO.  I could tell for sure once someone takes some pictures under the hood ;).

I suspect that when the bt radio is placed in streaming mode, it can't operate with the send/receive characteristics it needs to do bt control.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: James Paul on November 15, 2020, 02:09:25 PM
They wanted to make a simple to use mixer. However, given the current feedback I think that you’ll get a peq on the flow8 fairly soon.

Since it is dsp-based they can adapt it to user needs not being restricted to any surface controls.
Well then, in that case, then the obvious is to implement the user choice of a simple/advanced UI tab, with additional advanced features of mic channel polarity, PEQ, EFX to mons 1&2, choice of PEQ or GEQ on outputs, I/O delays to the extent available via DSP resources. Throw in a Talent button, and then I click Buy Now.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 15, 2020, 02:49:26 PM
This is not correct.

BT-audio and BT-control can be used simultaneously. Even better is that this can be on a single or separate devices if you want to.

Largest restriction IMO is BT audio and BT control isnt possible. Only one at a time.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Tim McCulloch on November 15, 2020, 03:31:07 PM
Well then, in that case, then the obvious is to implement the user choice of a simple/advanced UI tab, with additional advanced features of mic channel polarity, PEQ, EFX to mons 1&2, choice of PEQ or GEQ on outputs, I/O delays to the extent available via DSP resources. Throw in a Talent button, and then I click Buy Now.

Can we get that as a Waves plug in? ;D
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 15, 2020, 03:41:06 PM
It’s called ‘mute’  8)

Can we get that as a Waves plug in? ;D
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Daniel Levi on November 15, 2020, 03:47:08 PM
It’s called ‘mute’  8)

Though that was wat the Bluetooth audio playback was for, so you could "bring" the talent, of course even better when combined with the microphone mute button  ;D
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: John L Nobile on November 15, 2020, 03:51:24 PM
I would think that they would listen to all the feature addition suggestions and bring out a pro model with a bit of a higher price tag. Budget boards have never had any of the things people are asking for. We've always had to pay more for these features but they usually also come with better quality.

Perhaps a Midas Glow 8?
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Steve M Smith on November 16, 2020, 03:20:10 AM
The Flow8 is short 10 mic inputs, two monitor outputs, and doesn't have the EQ, comps or gates I'm looking for in a small mixer, so no go for me.
The Flow8 does look like a good bang for the buck, it would cover the needs for a lot of small gigs without being overly complicated.


Agreed. Something to do the small events which we used to use a Mix Wizard for would be great.




Steve.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Geert Friedhof on November 16, 2020, 04:08:30 AM

Agreed. Something to do the small events which we used to use a Mix Wizard for would be great.


I'm confused. The flow8 is a 200 euro mixer. The A&H Wz4 is 1000 euro. With a few compressors, gates, EQ and FX at least 2000. Why is the comparison made? Wouldn't the M32r or A&H Qu be more comparable? Or just buy a Wz4 if you miss it that much.

(something with cake and too)

I do agree the current flow8 is almost unusable for professionals, but i guess they were never the target anyway.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Steve M Smith on November 16, 2020, 04:54:47 AM
Wouldn't the M32r or A&H Qu be more comparable? Or just buy a Wz4 if you miss it that much.


I'm not really comparing. I have an M32R, but sometimes it's a bit big for small acoustic/folk events. Something a bit like an updated, digital Mix Wizard, but a bit smaller and with real controls would be good. 16, 12 or even 8 channels, all XLR input.


Perhaps that's covered by the DigiLive range. http://www.studiomaster.com/digitalmixing/digilive16/


Steve.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Mike Caldwell on November 16, 2020, 07:35:19 AM

I'm not really comparing. I have an M32R, but sometimes it's a bit big for small acoustic/folk events. Something a bit like an updated, digital Mix Wizard, but a bit smaller and with real controls would be good. 16, 12 or even 8 channels, all XLR input.


Perhaps that's covered by the DigiLive range. http://www.studiomaster.com/digitalmixing/digilive16/


Steve.

The QU16 is more or less a digital Mix Wizard.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Jordan Wolf on November 16, 2020, 01:44:43 PM
The QU16 is more or less a digital Mix Wizard.
Yes! I loved the feature set and bang-for-buck that the MixWiz3 14:4:2 brought to the table.

The next step up would have been an APB ProRack-House, and after that digital consoles basically take over in the features & flexibility department.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Tim McCulloch on November 16, 2020, 04:29:57 PM
This is another product that is not intended for the professional market.  That's cool, I'm happy to accept it for what it is.  Right now there is still a need for 2 channel computer audio interfaces.  As someone pointed out, this would be a happy box to have for YooToob producers and webcasters - it's simple and appliance-level.

I think a firmware update with a way to 'unlock' advanced features would be lovely, but my guess is that 10% or fewer owners would ever use them.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Nathan Riddle on November 16, 2020, 06:46:19 PM
I can assure you that BT communications is not much of a load on a CPU.  If they can't accept a stream and allow bt control at the same time, it is because the bt radio they are using can't do it IMO.  I could tell for sure once someone takes some pictures under the hood ;).

I suspect that when the bt radio is placed in streaming mode, it can't operate with the send/receive characteristics it needs to do bt control.

I'm certainly a noob when it comes to BT specifications; but my anecdotal experience with BT has always been data or music not both (beyond the limited bi-directional music control) so it thought it was simply a BT thing not Behringer's fault or the radio they chose.

FWIW I bought one since they dropped the price to $230. Probably won't see the physical unit until January or February.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Nathan Riddle on November 16, 2020, 06:48:08 PM
This is not correct.

BT-audio and BT-control can be used simultaneously. Even better is that this can be on a single or separate devices if you want to.

Really? Okay thats neat because the quick start guide DOES NOT read that way.

Edit: I assumed when I read the quick start guide that it couldn't do both audio & control at the same time. And when reading the pairing steps it could be taken to sound like it can only pair to one type of source (Audio or Control) at a time and thus read my assumptions into the manual.

I stand corrected.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 18, 2020, 05:29:39 AM
Looks like a nice price drop in the US... $229

Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Jay Marr on November 18, 2020, 09:30:12 AM
Looks like a nice price drop in the US... $229

It's getting really tempting now.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Dave Pluke on November 18, 2020, 10:03:33 AM
Looks like a nice price drop in the US... $229

Well, heck, for that, it's worth a gamble.

Dave

EDIT:  preordered through Sweetwater. No advertised ETA at this point.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Scott Bolt on November 18, 2020, 02:30:37 PM
Looks like a nice price drop in the US... $229

Yes, I think it is quite a lot of mixer for that money!  Like I said, a trusty ZED 10fx is $330.  Put onto that perspective, it is a no-brainer in my book.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Daniel Levi on February 16, 2021, 06:02:44 PM
An update for the Flow 8, though I don't know if anyone has one yet.
https://community.musictribe.com/discussions/156693/310351/major-flow-8-update-now-live
The firmware update 11739 for FLOW 8
works with remote app FLOW MIX 1.2 and Windows ASIO/WDM driver version 5.0.


Firmware 11739 is introducing a new memory structure.
* Snapshots stored on the hardware will be deleted!
* Snapshots previously stored in the App’s SNAPSHOT LIBRARY can still be used.

This new FLOW Firmware version contains:
• New USB mode
1. Streaming/Recording (switches between 2x4 and 10x4 USB config)
2. Up to 4 channel USB playback (USB OUT 1/2, USB OUT 3/4)


• New routing options
1. USB 1/2 can be routed to CH 5/6
2. USB 3/4 can be routed to CH 7/8
3. USB 1/2 or USB 3/4 can be directly routed to MONITOR SEND 1/2 TRS output


• Option to stereo link MON1/2


• Option to change headphone output
1. MAIN-Mix, pre- or postfader
2. MON1/2-Mix, pre- or postfader


• Option to send FX to MAIN and/or MON buses


• Snapshot scope for selectively loading channel settings, effects, routing, MAIN- and MON-Mixes


• Fully parametric control of GAIN, FREQ and WIDTH in 4-band and 9-band EQs


• Option to transfer the current mixer state via MIDI Sysex


• Optional -10dbV output level for MAIN and MON outputs, e.g. when used with DSLR cameras


• Output delays 0…340 ms for time alignment in live sound or video production

.
All information in this document is subject to change without any further notice.


Update Process:
To update FLOW 8 to the latest firmware please use the SimplyPUT update tool. SimplyPUT is available
for Mac, Windows and Linux and can be downloaded from the FLOW 8 product page at behringer.com.
WINDOWS:
1. Please make sure you have installed the latest USB-Driver, which is available on the FLOW 8
product page!
2. Connect FLOW 8 to your computer using the USB Type B socket
3. Make sure your computer is connected to the internet
4. Launch Application
SimplyPUT will detect FLOW 8 and search for the latest firmware available on the server
SimplyPUT will always preselect the latest version available
5. Select UPDATE
SimplyPUT will start transferring the new firmware to the hardware using the installed USB-Driver
After a successful update, FLOW 8 will indicate the new Firmware-Version and reboot automatically

MAC:
1. Connect FLOW 8 to your computer using the USB Type B socket
2. Make sure your computer is connected to the internet
3. To launch application please use rightclick (CTRL+Click) and select Open.
Select Open on the upcoming pop up again
SimplyPUT will detect FLOW 8 and search for the latest firmware available on the server
SimplyPUT will always preselect the latest version available
4. Select OPEN
This will enable the DFU-Mode on the hardware.
Recognisable by a red display on the hardware showing the current installed Firmware-Version.
5. Select UPDATE
Simply Put will start flashing the new firmeware to the hardware
After a successful update FLOW 8 will indicate the new Firmware-Version and reboot automatically
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Alex Cheng on February 17, 2021, 02:47:38 PM
An update for the Flow 8, though I don't know if anyone has one yet.
https://community.musictribe.com/discussions/156693/310351/major-flow-8-update-now-live (https://community.musictribe.com/discussions/156693/310351/major-flow-8-update-now-live)
The firmware update 11739 for FLOW 8
works with remote app FLOW MIX 1.2 and Windows ASIO/WDM driver version 5.0.


Firmware 11739 is introducing a new memory structure.
* Snapshots stored on the hardware will be deleted!
* Snapshots previously stored in the App’s SNAPSHOT LIBRARY can still be used.

This new FLOW Firmware version contains:
• New USB mode
1. Streaming/Recording (switches between 2x4 and 10x4 USB config)
2. Up to 4 channel USB playback (USB OUT 1/2, USB OUT 3/4)


• New routing options
1. USB 1/2 can be routed to CH 5/6
2. USB 3/4 can be routed to CH 7/8
3. USB 1/2 or USB 3/4 can be directly routed to MONITOR SEND 1/2 TRS output


• Option to stereo link MON1/2


• Option to change headphone output
1. MAIN-Mix, pre- or postfader
2. MON1/2-Mix, pre- or postfader


• Option to send FX to MAIN and/or MON buses


• Snapshot scope for selectively loading channel settings, effects, routing, MAIN- and MON-Mixes


• Fully parametric control of GAIN, FREQ and WIDTH in 4-band and 9-band EQs


• Option to transfer the current mixer state via MIDI Sysex


• Optional -10dbV output level for MAIN and MON outputs, e.g. when used with DSLR cameras


• Output delays 0…340 ms for time alignment in live sound or video production

.
All information in this document is subject to change without any further notice.


Update Process:
To update FLOW 8 to the latest firmware please use the SimplyPUT update tool. SimplyPUT is available
for Mac, Windows and Linux and can be downloaded from the FLOW 8 product page at behringer.com.
WINDOWS:
1. Please make sure you have installed the latest USB-Driver, which is available on the FLOW 8
product page!
2. Connect FLOW 8 to your computer using the USB Type B socket
3. Make sure your computer is connected to the internet
4. Launch Application
SimplyPUT will detect FLOW 8 and search for the latest firmware available on the server
SimplyPUT will always preselect the latest version available
5. Select UPDATE
SimplyPUT will start transferring the new firmware to the hardware using the installed USB-Driver
After a successful update, FLOW 8 will indicate the new Firmware-Version and reboot automatically

MAC:
1. Connect FLOW 8 to your computer using the USB Type B socket
2. Make sure your computer is connected to the internet
3. To launch application please use rightclick (CTRL+Click) and select Open.
Select Open on the upcoming pop up again
SimplyPUT will detect FLOW 8 and search for the latest firmware available on the server
SimplyPUT will always preselect the latest version available
4. Select OPEN
This will enable the DFU-Mode on the hardware.
Recognisable by a red display on the hardware showing the current installed Firmware-Version.
5. Select UPDATE
Simply Put will start flashing the new firmeware to the hardware
After a successful update FLOW 8 will indicate the new Firmware-Version and reboot automatically


Mmm, lovely, they fixed the EQ limitation. Along with the rest of the changes, this makes the Flow definitely a bit more interesting.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Scott Bolt on February 18, 2021, 05:08:18 PM
When COVID lifts, I might do some solo/duo work.  Normally I have been using my trusty ZED 10 fx for this kind of work .... but I am thinking that there are lots of goodies in the Flow 8 for this kind of gig.

Definitely on my WANT list now ;)
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Tim McCulloch on February 18, 2021, 06:42:22 PM
An update for the Flow 8, though I don't know if anyone has one yet.
https://community.musictribe.com/discussions/156693/310351/major-flow-8-update-now-live
The firmware update 11739 for FLOW 8
works with remote app FLOW MIX 1.2 and Windows ASIO/WDM driver version 5.0.


Firmware 11739 is introducing a new memory structure.
* Snapshots stored on the hardware will be deleted!
* Snapshots previously stored in the App’s SNAPSHOT LIBRARY can still be used.

This new FLOW Firmware version contains:
• New USB mode
1. Streaming/Recording (switches between 2x4 and 10x4 USB config)
2. Up to 4 channel USB playback (USB OUT 1/2, USB OUT 3/4)

 {big ol' snip}


This all makes really good sense and should have been the feature set the FLOW was introduced with.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Dave Pluke on February 22, 2021, 10:20:39 AM
An update for the Flow 8, though I don't know if anyone has one yet.

Preordered in mid-November 2020, still no ETA (as of 22 Feb 2021). Nice "upgrades", but it's only Vaporware at this point  :( .

Dave
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Nathan Riddle on March 18, 2021, 08:32:26 AM
Preordered in mid-November 2020, still no ETA (as of 22 Feb 2021). Nice "upgrades", but it's only Vaporware at this point  :( .

Dave

Same, I was told by Sweetwater that it is on a "boat" and they're hoping to see it arrive in April. I assume that means delivered by May?
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Mac Kerr on March 18, 2021, 03:05:24 PM
Same, I was told by Sweetwater that it is on a "boat" and they're hoping to see it arrive in April. I assume that means delivered by May?

On a boat may be wishful thinking. Rumors I’ve heard from my shipping friends say there is a shortage of containers in China. They got back to work fast and shipped product, but nothing is coming back, so no containers to use.

Mac
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Russell Ault on March 18, 2021, 04:33:53 PM
On a boat may be wishful thinking. Rumors I’ve heard from my shipping friends say there is a shortage of containers in China. They got back to work fast and shipped product, but nothing is coming back, so no containers to use.

Mac

Not only that, but a lot of North American ports are operating at reduce capacity, so even if it is on a ship, that ship may end up spending a while idling outside of Long Beach when it does finally arrive.

-Russ
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Andrew Broughton on March 19, 2021, 11:41:43 AM
Largest restriction IMO is BT audio and BT control isnt possible. Only one at a time.


Edit: not true, see Robert's post.

There seems to be dissenting opinions here.
It can or cannot do BT audio and control simultaneously? Do you have a link to "Robert's post"?
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Daniel Levi on March 19, 2021, 01:00:56 PM
There seems to be dissenting opinions here.
It can or cannot do BT audio and control simultaneously? Do you have a link to "Robert's post"?

It can do both, from two different devices if necessary.

From the Andertons website,

Quote from: Andertons.co.uk
The BT audio connection for playing audio back can be connected independently from the FLOW 8 remote application. While using BT Audio for playback on one mobile device, BT LE can be used separately on another device for the control application, if you wish.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Dave Pluke on April 07, 2021, 10:56:16 PM
Same, I was told by Sweetwater that it is on a "boat" and they're hoping to see it arrive in April. I assume that means delivered by May?

In the spirit of the season, this thread is being resurrected to update inventory status. I received a call today (07 April, 2021) that the Behringer Flow 8 I preordered in mid-November 2020 shipped from the candy store today. Should be here in a couple of days.

Dave
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Mark Norgren on April 08, 2021, 07:11:22 AM
I'm looking for a small mixer for solo/duo gigs and thought of the Flow 8?  Just looked and the Midas MR12 is now priced at $399.  That seems to be a lot of mixer for the price?  Now $250 vs $399?
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Dave Pluke on April 08, 2021, 11:07:58 AM
I'm looking for a small mixer for solo/duo gigs and thought of the Flow 8?  Just looked and the Midas MR12 is now priced at $399.  That seems to be a lot of mixer for the price?  Now $250 vs $399?

Agreed. I'd like to see more XLR inputs on the MR12, but that's an attractive price.

I see these two as totally different use cases. My interest in the Flow 8 is for small Corporate or Break-out rooms where someone from the organization simply wants to be able to grab a knob and turn something up or down without having to load an app and wifi in. The plus to the Flow 8 is that most of the stuff is out of reach (only accessible via app) so *in theory* the risk of someone seriously screwing things up is limited. We shall see...

Dave
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Alec Spence on April 08, 2021, 11:37:29 AM
Agreed. I'd like to see more XLR inputs on the MR12, but that's an attractive price.
Er, that would be the MR18...

Those import taxes really are biting you in the US - technology is for once cheaper in the UK, even with our 20% sales taxes!

I've still never really got the point of the X/MR 12 & 16.  The 18 is only a little more, maxes out the I/O and has XLR everywhere.  I always find it hard to find a scenario where the 12 or 16 would always be the right solution.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Daniel Levi on April 08, 2021, 12:37:11 PM
I've just managed to get an unused Flow 8 for £170 + shipping so it will be interesting to see what it's like. I will be using it for home use connecting a keyboard, mic and PC as my simple living room setup, I have an XR12 so it will be an interesting comparison.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Nathan Riddle on April 09, 2021, 04:12:42 PM
In the spirit of the season, this thread is being resurrected to update inventory status. I received a call today (07 April, 2021) that the Behringer Flow 8 I preordered in mid-November 2020 shipped from the candy store today. Should be here in a couple of days.

Dave

Same, FedEx tracking says 14th. Woot can't wait.

---

Besides the app being a bit cumbersome, I think the physical UI will be a major winner.
Just had an event last night with exactly the use case for this piece of equipment (2x K12's, one mic)

Block Diagram FTW, so refreshing to see this!

Can anyone find the output delay feature?

I've successfully found the PEQ enable under setup>preferences>Full Parametric.
https://youtu.be/54iMNjnXV1Y
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Daniel Levi on April 09, 2021, 05:27:29 PM
I have seen in the preferences page that it mentions the output delay and how much there is but there is no visible way to control it, I wonder if it's missing in demo mode, noting that in demo mode none of the sliders work for me, though I am on a Kindle fire (HD10) and the app was installed from the APK not via the app store.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Nick Houweling on April 09, 2021, 08:45:43 PM
I own the Flow 8 and noticed you can delay mains and monitor mixes from the menu on the unit under output on the screen itself.
Cheers
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Robert Lofgren on April 10, 2021, 04:41:13 PM
You can currently only set the delay on the flow itself. The app is lacking in this area. However, the app will show you the set delay on its setup page.

I have seen in the preferences page that it mentions the output delay and how much there is but there is no visible way to control it, I wonder if it's missing in demo mode, noting that in demo mode none of the sliders work for me, though I am on a Kindle fire (HD10) and the app was installed from the APK not via the app store.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Daniel Levi on April 11, 2021, 03:19:38 AM
You can currently only set the delay on the flow itself. The app is lacking in this area. However, the app will show you the set delay on its setup page.

Thought as much, it's no issue in my use case as it just being used a simple mic/keyboard/laptop mixer for just messing around. Be interesting to see how it compares to the XR12.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Dave Pluke on April 13, 2021, 10:48:48 AM
Same, FedEx tracking says 14th. Woot can't wait.

Good luck!

Mine arrived yesterday. After installing the app on my android phone and attempting to connect to the Flow 8, a message to update the firmware was presented. Be prepared to connect yours to a USB port on a computer and run the update (found a good youtube video on that).

I'm finding the app slightly less than intuitive, but managed to find the Parametric EQ channel strip. Nice to have 4 PEQ bands in addition to the HPF. Once set, having channel faders and a master volume knob should be enough for the sort of scenario you described. This *should* see a lot of use!

Thanks for posting the block diagram, BTW,

Dave
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer FLOW 8 Digital Mixer
Post by: Nathan Riddle on June 09, 2021, 12:07:33 PM
So after playing with my Flow 8 some and ordering at G-Mixerbag-0909 from Amazon [haven't used it on a gig yet, coulda I just didn't have it in a bag by event time...used xair18 instead].

I can say it's a pretty solid little mixer that will do everything I want(ed).

I want a bit more though... lol

I agree with Dave, APP is a bit cumbersome; I hope mixing station might get an update to work with it over BT :)

Compressor - Threshold, Ratio, & makeup gain are a must. [I haven't yet tested these; but IME the auto-compressor settings on all devices suck]
PEQ - Why does the 4-band GEQ get a curve but the PEQ doesn't :( [changing these is also a bit cumbersome]
Delay - Can't access delay settings from App (At least I can't find it.)
Post Fader Monitor Sends. As it stands, there's no way to do a 'delay-tower' for mixing live. One mic or playback might be doable.

Everything else is pretty intuitive, hardware controls are great.
Firmware update...is easy enough (but you must install the USB drivers first).