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I made a post prior to this, but it got moved to the DJ section, and hasn't been touched. I am hoping to get some input from those that have used these cabs. Hopefully this doesn't get moved.
I am planning out a new sound system for my shows. I would like to be somewhat modular, so that the system can be used at small or large events. I mainly DJ high energy school dances. I end up playing for crowds of up to 2000 in a space of up to a dual court gym, so I need a system that can handle that. I am also doing a decent amount of live sound work locally for festivals and small bands. In addition to that, I have plans of starting to work with the corporate event market. Bottom line is that I need something that sounds good, but gets loud when it has to.
Normally for large events, I rent out a Bag End rig with three Crystal R's over three Quartz subs per side. It gets pretty loud and it has handled every event I've used it at, so I would like to get this system pretty close to it.
I've been looking at the JFL210's, simply because I've heard good things about the cabs, and with it being a constant curvature array, I would be able to angle the array down to keep sound from hitting the back wall and eliminate the slap echo off the back wall. I'm looking at three to four enclosures per side.
I'm pretty set on the TH118's. From what I've heard, they hit pretty hard, which is perfect for what I'll be doing. I need something that can thump, but have some rumble left over for when I'm playing all of the urban stuff at my dances.
The rig doesn't need to be deafeningly loud, but I would like it to be loud enough to have a decent impact on the crowd.
I'm open to any suggestions. I'm definitely not opposed to a good trap rig, but at this point, the array looks more appealing because it's more scalable.
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We use the EAW JFL210s and Danley TH115s and have been very satisfied. We have used them from 4 to a side down to 2 a side on crank stands and they always perform exceptional. With the UX8800 processor they sound even more amazing. Here is a pic of sound check from an event we did this past weekend at a local university. I understand they pre-sold 1000 tickets and sold over 2000 tickets at the gate....so I would guess around 3000 folks were there. We had no complaints all night and even had the local authorities stop by around midnight to tell us to turn down. You have to get them up to get the coverage and full effect but again, we have been very satisfied. The TH115s are the best sub I have ever used!
Good luck.
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I am planning out a new sound system for my shows. I would like to be somewhat modular, so that the system can be used at small or large events. I mainly DJ high energy school dances. I end up playing for crowds of up to 2000 in a space of up to a dual court gym, so I need a system that can handle that. I am also doing a decent amount of live sound work locally for festivals and small bands. In addition to that, I have plans of starting to work with the corporate event market. Bottom line is that I need something that sounds good, but gets loud when it has to.
Normally for large events, I rent out a Bag End rig with three Crystal R's over three Quartz subs per side. It gets pretty loud and it has handled every event I've used it at, so I would like to get this system pretty close to it.
I've been looking at the JFL210's, simply because I've heard good things about the cabs, and with it being a constant curvature array, I would be able to angle the array down to keep sound from hitting the back wall and eliminate the slap echo off the back wall. I'm looking at three to four enclosures per side.
I'm pretty set on the TH118's. From what I've heard, they hit pretty hard, which is perfect for what I'll be doing. I need something that can thump, but have some rumble left over for when I'm playing all of the urban stuff at my dances.
The rig doesn't need to be deafeningly loud, but I would like it to be loud enough to have a decent impact on the crowd.
I'm open to any suggestions. I'm definitely not opposed to a good trap rig, but at this point, the array looks more appealing because it's more scalable.
Is it really more scalable? The JFLs would allow flexibility in vertical coverage while a trap array provides flexibility in horizontal coverage, which is more beneficial in your applications?
You didn't mention how you actually planned to deploy them or whether flying the arrays was practical for you, but with three or four JFL210s you're limited to ground stacked or flown and to get the ability to aim them down as you noted would mean flying them. And if you can fly the JFL210s then couldn't you also fly trap arrays and angle them down?
Compared to what you have been using, three Crystal-Rs is roughly 165x40 coverage, realistically maybe a little less than 165 degrees horizontal. Three to four JFL201s is a nominal 110x45 or 110x60 coverage. So you'd have the potential of greater vertical coverage but less horizontal coverage. And at least according to the specs, the Crystal-Rs are capable of about 6-7dB more output.
You said a "new sound system" but addressed only the speakers. Other aspects of the system such as the processing and amplification are certainly going to be relevant to the results. Also regarding the overall system, the DJ and corporate applications you mentionedcan often have quite different goals and requirements. You can make some aspects scalable but making economic sense of getting corporate rates for a system capable of DJ applications for 2,000 people or may be more difficult.