Felix Truong wrote on Wed, 10 March 2010 05:28 |
I was looking at the JTR site and it says now thru Apr 1st, the JTR Growlers are $799 and can handle 2,000 watts RMS? So does that mean I can run 4,000 watts program into one cab and not blow them up? Seems a bit... off to me? Anyone with input on this? |
Art Welter wrote on Wed, 10 March 2010 14:43 |
Felix, The speaker's voice coil probably handles around 500 watts RMS, capable of 6 dB peaks (2000 watts). Art Welter |
Phil Lewandowski wrote on Wed, 10 March 2010 15:51 |
A Crown IT8000 or QSC PL380 seems like they could do a good job powering them. Take Care! Phil |
Jeff Permanian wrote on Fri, 12 March 2010 10:59 | ||
Even the previous model was more capable than that The new driver has 23mm of xmax (eachway, 46mm total linear) and nearly 3" peak to peak mechanical travel. |
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Fri, 12 March 2010 13:11 |
So, you have to feed them more power to get the same results as before? Or is there anymore extra output gained here? Evan |
Jeff Permanian wrote on Fri, 12 March 2010 14:15 | ||
??? There is 3db output gain. |
Jeff Permanian wrote on Fri, 12 March 2010 11:54 |
126.5 volt (2000w at 8ohm), logarithmic, sine wave sweep with 3db of compression. Frequency response is unchanged. New Growlers handles double the power of the previous. |
Jeff Permanian wrote on Fri, 12 March 2010 12:59 | ||
Even the previous model was more capable than that The new driver has 23mm of xmax (eachway, 46mm total linear) and nearly 3" peak to peak mechanical travel. |
Douglas R. Allen wrote on Fri, 12 March 2010 18:16 |
Jeff Do the growlers you have on sale for $799 have the new drivers in them or is this the old driver stock being discontinued? Thanks Douglas R. Allen |
Jeff Permanian wrote on Fri, 12 March 2010 16:40 |
I know my specs aren't like everyone else. |
Art Welter wrote on Fri, 12 March 2010 19:13 |
Answering the four questions I asked in message #527890 would be helpful to determine how you arrive at your specs, and what they mean. I’m not looking for the “easy” answer, I explained what I thought your current specs meant to the OP, then you said “Even the previous model was more capable than that ”. Art Welter |
Jeff Permanian wrote on Fri, 12 March 2010 18:39 | ||
Actually, they won't. Speakers are not resisters. 1) yes, some port compression, some power compression, some mechanical compression. 2) heat soaked 3) frequency dependent (power consumption tracks impedance curve) 4) frequency dependent (you'll never hit 3" peak to peak at 80hz and above) You arbitrarily picked a 60hz sine wave. What if there is a large impedence peak at 60hz? You could put a ton of voltage in and not consume any power. This is why boardband testing is done. Everything in audio is averaged or depends. |
Art Welter wrote on Fri, 12 March 2010 20:17 |
Thanks for the answers. I understand that speakers are not resistors, an impedance, frequency and an excursion plot would answer my questions much more effectively. At 35 Hz will the voice coil burn up before the 3 inch peak to peak excursion limit is reached? I thought the Growler was a folded horn, what port are you referring to? When the impedance curve is equal to the nominal impedance of 8 ohms, what is the long term sine wave power level that will burn up the voice coil? Art Welter |
Elliot Thompson wrote on Fri, 12 March 2010 21:12 |
At the subwoofer shootout held in NYC, the JTR Growler managed to withstand the Powersoft K10 being clipped for short periods throughout the duration of the test without driver damage. Powersoft claims the K 10 will deliver 2000 watts (126.49 volts) per channel in an 8-ohm load. With a 2-ohm load minimum capability, there shouldn’t be any cutbacks based on the limitation of the power supply from such a light load. I would imagine the new woofer would be able to withstand that type of power longer without the fear of driver damage compared to the older version. Best Regards, |
Duane Silveira wrote on Sat, 13 March 2010 10:27 |
It seems those super long stroke, rediculous power handling car audio subs are crossing over into our pro audio world |
Felix Truong wrote on Wed, 10 March 2010 18:08 |
Interesting. In terms of output, the growlers used to trail the UCS1's by a tiny bit according to the maryland shootout. I wonder how they are now with the new drivers.. |
Rain Jaudon wrote on Sat, 13 March 2010 23:32 |
So this is the new lighter weight Growler you told me about back at Mardi Gras? |
Duane Silveira wrote on Sat, 13 March 2010 11:27 |
It seems those super long stroke, rediculous power handling car audio subs are crossing over into our pro audio world |
Duane Silveira wrote on Sat, 13 March 2010 11:27 |
It seems those super long stroke, rediculous power handling car audio subs are crossing over into our pro audio world |
Rory Buszka wrote on Sun, 21 March 2010 21:08 |
...they typically try to push a large, lightweight cone while using a motor containing as little magnetic and flux conducting material as possible to keep weight at a minimum. |
Josh Billings wrote on Tue, 04 May 2010 20:15 |
Why not just do the dual 12s? I always liked that configuration (TSW-218 style) Not too many people use the growlers as singles...maybe some use them as 2 per side...but having a dual configuration cabinet could be offered that would save on wood, be easier to move, lighter than 2 cabinets. Sounds like a win win win to me -Josh |