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I have a wedding on the 20th where I need to setup delay speakers for the toasts and other announcements. I haven't done this before so I want to make sure I'm going the right direction. I know some have used the Sennheiser IEM for this exact purpose and would like their insight.
The main system will be 2 JBL SRX812P and one SRX828SP. It will get the main feed from a Mackie 1402VLZ3.
The delays will be SRX812P as well and will get an aux feed of just the microphones. I am buying a Sennhiser EW3002IEM to feed the delays. I'll have to buy some adapters like one of these (http://www.fullcompass.com/search.php?parent=471&search_simple=true&txtAll=M3-XM3-5-BLK (http://www.fullcompass.com/search.php?parent=471&search_simple=true&txtAll=M3-XM3-5-BLK)) to connect the beltpack to the speaker. One question is which one is the best one?
Another question is how should I configure the beltpack? My DJ mixer outputs mono so I was going to set them as mono, what about the other settings?
The speakers will also have this (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UAKCS6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UAKCS6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)) so I can connect them to the network wirelessly. That way I can set the delay access all the controls through the JBL SRX Connect app on my iPad.
I have attached a floor plan with dimensions so you can get a good idea of what I'm dealing with. FOH is marked and the red D's are where the delays will be (negotiable if better placement is seen). The wireless mic will be used at the head table for the toasts, prayer, speeches, etc. I have a wired mic at FOH for all other announcements.
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Whereas the belt pack method will work, if I was setting up something like this, I'd actually use a pair of Sennheiser standard receivers for getting the signal. Antenna cable from behind the wall to a position where I'd have line of sight to the transmitter position. Put A2003 directional antenna on everything.
I hope you're contacting one of the Sennheiser dealers on the forum here for buying your new gear. ;)
-Ray
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I have a wedding on the 20th where I need to setup delay speakers for the toasts and other announcements. I haven't done this before so I want to make sure I'm going the right direction. I know some have used the Sennheiser IEM for this exact purpose and would like their insight.
The main system will be 2 JBL SRX812P and one SRX828SP. It will get the main feed from a Mackie 1402VLZ3.
The delays will be SRX812P as well and will get an aux feed of just the microphones. I am buying a Sennhiser EW3002IEM to feed the delays. I'll have to buy some adapters like one of these (http://www.fullcompass.com/search.php?parent=471&search_simple=true&txtAll=M3-XM3-5-BLK (http://www.fullcompass.com/search.php?parent=471&search_simple=true&txtAll=M3-XM3-5-BLK)) to connect the beltpack to the speaker. One question is which one is the best one?
Another question is how should I configure the beltpack? My DJ mixer outputs mono so I was going to set them as mono, what about the other settings?
The speakers will also have this (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UAKCS6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UAKCS6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)) so I can connect them to the network wirelessly. That way I can set the delay access all the controls through the JBL SRX Connect app on my iPad.
I have attached a floor plan with dimensions so you can get a good idea of what I'm dealing with. FOH is marked and the red D's are where the delays will be (negotiable if better placement is seen). The wireless mic will be used at the head table for the toasts, prayer, speeches, etc. I have a wired mic at FOH for all other announcements.
These (Sennheiser EW3002IEM ) seem like a pretty expensive solution, especially if you aren't going to use them for IEMs later. I use Senny wireless beltpack transmitter (with a Senny CL2 cable) for the tranmsitter and put receivers on the speaker. Then you have a beltpack(s) for lavalier or headsets mics later if you need them.
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These (Sennheiser EW3002IEM ) seem like a pretty expensive solution, especially if you aren't going to use them for IEMs later. I use Senny wireless beltpack transmitter (with a Senny CL2 cable) for the tranmsitter and put receivers on the speaker. Then you have a beltpack(s) for lavalier or headsets mics later if you need them.
Something to be said, tho, for a transmitter that's plugged in to the wall full time as opposed to being reliant on batteries. For a wedding DJ, that reliability is imperative.
That being said, I've done the beltpack transmitter to G3 receiver setup numerous times.
-Ray
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You might look at the Alto Stealth system. Not too expensive and works reasonably well.
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I've done EW300 IEM transmitter to multiple EM500 receivers and powered remote speakers.
As long as they are the same freq, it works great.
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An issue I see is that you are going to have 80ish feet of delay from your FOH speakers to where the head table is. That will be enough of a delay to cause issues with many people that are not comfortable speaking into a microphone.
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I just use a wireless belt pack and normal receiver.
No need to complicate things.
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It looks like your delayed speakers are behind a wall. Will that cause problems with reception? Something to consider anyway.
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You show the stage end but where is the mix position?
I use my wireless to get through walls. I tape the belt pack to the wall I need to get through. This weekend, in fact, I will use it to get speakers out to a patio at a wedding.
Run an XLR toward the rear to reduce the distance.
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A few 100 ft of xlr and a couple of rolls of gaff tape would be a much cheaper and more reliable solution for this, I have used the sennheiser IEM system to do this sort of thing as well and it does work but there is much more room for error than a cable. The cable will also sound better and will have less noise.
looking at your floor plan you probably have about a 150 ft path to each speaker from your FOH area down the side walls...
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Are you buying the IEM set or do you have it already? If you have not purchased yet a wireless instrument set is better suited and it doesn't have to be an expensive one either I do this regularly with a Sennheiser Freeport system.
In this case the receiver gets taped to the top of the speaker and the beltpack stays at mix position and no special cables are necessary as the instrument beltpack comes with the Sennheiser specific 1/8" screw connect to 1/4" TS cable which will plug right into the monitor or booth output of most mixers. And with a fresh Energizer in the beltpack it lasts the whole evening(till 1am) no problem.
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Whereas the belt pack method will work, if I was setting up something like this, I'd actually use a pair of Sennheiser standard receivers for getting the signal. Antenna cable from behind the wall to a position where I'd have line of sight to the transmitter position. Put A2003 directional antenna on everything.
I hope you're contacting one of the Sennheiser dealers on the forum here for buying your new gear. ;)
-Ray
I have not purchased yet. I was waiting on responses to this post. I am open for dealers to send me quotes, as always!
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These (Sennheiser EW3002IEM ) seem like a pretty expensive solution, especially if you aren't going to use them for IEMs later. I use Senny wireless beltpack transmitter (with a Senny CL2 cable) for the tranmsitter and put receivers on the speaker. Then you have a beltpack(s) for lavalier or headsets mics later if you need them.
I'll look into that. I do need some extra wireless mics anyways and I already have a beltpack transmitter. Great idea!
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Something to be said, tho, for a transmitter that's plugged in to the wall full time as opposed to being reliant on batteries. For a wedding DJ, that reliability is imperative.
That being said, I've done the beltpack transmitter to G3 receiver setup numerous times.
-Ray
Since these are only for the toasts and such they will only be used for a total of 30 minutes. I'm not worried about batteries. I can also get a battery eliminator to solve that issue.
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You might look at the Alto Stealth system. Not too expensive and works reasonably well.
Their existing system works on 600MHz, which is a deal killer. Their new system isn't available until October or so.
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An issue I see is that you are going to have 80ish feet of delay from your FOH speakers to where the head table is. That will be enough of a delay to cause issues with many people that are not comfortable speaking into a microphone.
I agree it will be an issue, but it is what it is. Wedding planners don't care about acoustics.
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You show the stage end but where is the mix position?
I use my wireless to get through walls. I tape the belt pack to the wall I need to get through. This weekend, in fact, I will use it to get speakers out to a patio at a wedding.
Run an XLR toward the rear to reduce the distance.
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The FOH is the mix position as well.
I will use your technique for receiver placement. Thanks for the tip.
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A few 100 ft of xlr and a couple of rolls of gaff tape would be a much cheaper and more reliable solution for this, I have used the sennheiser IEM system to do this sort of thing as well and it does work but there is much more room for error than a cable. The cable will also sound better and will have less noise.
looking at your floor plan you probably have about a 150 ft path to each speaker from your FOH area down the side walls...
Agreed, but not possible. The venue will not allow the cable runs or use of gaff tape (or any other tape) on their floors.
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Thank you to everyone for the responses. They gave me some great tips and I will definitely put them to use!
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It does work, and I use the same system in the same capacity often. My advice is, set the squelch on your RX rather high (to keep erroneous RF from hitting the RX causing loud static/interference). Also, you MUST use a directional antenna (like the Sennheiser A2003) on the TX, so factor that extra couple of hundred dollars into to your decision.
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It does work, and I use the same system in the same capacity often. My advice is, set the squelch on your RX rather high (to keep erroneous RF from hitting the RX causing loud static/interference). Also, you MUST use a directional antenna (like the Sennheiser A2003) on the TX, so factor that extra couple of hundred dollars into to your decision.
Wouldn't I need two directionals per receiver, for a total of 4?
What if I made a bracket for the included antennas that would allow me to mount them higher up and on the other side of the wall? The bracket would keep the same spacing as on the receiver.
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Wouldn't I need two directionals per receiver, for a total of 4?
What if I made a bracket for the included antennas that would allow me to mount them higher up and on the other side of the wall? The bracket would keep the same spacing as on the receiver.
You can get by with one per receiver. Alternatively, you can use the Shure UA221 passive splitter/combiner kit which has a couple of combiner modules to use one antenna to feed two receivers. With that, you can feed both antenna inputs. But, not entirely needed.
The Shure UA505 is a remote mounting bracket that you can use to mount the antenna. You can also order the Shure A56D which would allow you to clamp on to most places and have a threaded post for attaching the antenna to.
-Ray
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Wouldn't I need two directionals per receiver, for a total of 4?
What if I made a bracket for the included antennas that would allow me to mount them higher up and on the other side of the wall? The bracket would keep the same spacing as on the receiver.
Oops, my reply was specific to the IEM system method with IEM beltpacks at the speakers. If you're considering using the EW300IEM transmitter with standard EW100 receivers at the speakers, in my opinion, you should be able to get away with an A2003 on the IEM transmitter output and the normal whips on the receivers. But if you can swing paddles for the receivers too then even better.
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Do you guys really think external antennae are needed to go 100 ft? I use the most inexpensive Sennheiser system (the XSW) and have never had any issues going that far with just the stock gear.
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Do you guys really think external antennae are needed to go 100 ft? I use the most inexpensive Sennheiser system (the XSW) and have never had any issues going that far with just the stock gear.
It's a wedding. Brides (and often their mothers, even more so!) are relentlessly unforgiving about technical "issues." There's something like 900 bridal lead/review sites, and the last thing you want is a review of "HORRIBLE SOUND! Half of my guests couldn't hear our toasts because the mic kept cutting out!" Even though that's not what really happened, it'll still be out there.
That being said, part of this gear discussion is dependent on what the RF environment is in the first place. People commonly assume directional antenna increase the RF strength- I don't know about the transmitter side for certain, but on the receiver side, they actually "increase off-axis RF-rejection." So, if there is no other RF activity in the area, the main benefit in using these is getting the antenna up high so you have a direct line of sight. Pointing a pair of A2003 or UA874US directly at each other, though, will create a pretty resilient signal, tho.
-Ray
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That being said, part of this gear discussion is dependent on what the RF environment is in the first place. People commonly assume directional antenna increase the RF strength- I don't know about the transmitter side for certain, but on the receiver side, they actually "increase off-axis RF-rejection." So, if there is no other RF activity in the area, the main benefit in using these is getting the antenna up high so you have a direct line of sight. Pointing a pair of A2003 or UA874US directly at each other, though, will create a pretty resilient signal, tho.
-Ray
+ directional antennas could overload when the transmitter is too close to the transmitter, causing distortion and dropouts.
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It's a wedding. Brides (and often their mothers, even more so!) are relentlessly unforgiving about technical "issues."
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I hate the overall shape of the room. It doesn't look like a hotel ballroom. Having said that, is there an overhead system that can be patched into for the announcements and even the meet and greet & dinner music? It appears that the wedding planner wants you out of the way and at the end of the dance floor. You primary purpose seems to be as DJ for the dance floor. An overhead may not be available, but it does give you options if there is.
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I hate the overall shape of the room. It doesn't look like a hotel ballroom. Having said that, is there an overhead system that can be patched into for the announcements and even the meet and greet & dinner music? It appears that the wedding planner wants you out of the way and at the end of the dance floor. You primary purpose seems to be as DJ for the dance floor. An overhead may not be available, but it does give you options if there is.
Installed systems at event venues are often of poor quality. When I was a DJ, I never wanted to rely on that. I was being paid to deliver a high quality result, and "the venue sound system sucks" (or even worse "their speakers had failed completely at a previous event!") was never an excuse I would ever be able to give to a client. (There was even one venue that had a "required to be used" house system - a consumer receiver/speakers with RCA inputs. Even if I used it, I still had a pair of 450s in the car, Just In Case.)
The toasts are a very important part of the evening, and they need to sound just as good as the rest of the evening.
-Ray
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Installed systems at event venues are often of poor quality. When I was a DJ, I never wanted to rely on that. The toasts are a very important part of the evening, and they need to sound just as good as the rest of the evening.
-Ray
All that is usually true, but it should be considered. It might have a very functional (for announcements) system. Time may no longer allow a venue visit and a purchase may have to come quickly. If functional, it nets a much cleaner over all set-up (even wireless) with additional tripods somewhere in the middle room. Not literally in the middle, but you know.
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I agree it will be an issue, but it is what it is. Wedding planners don't care about acoustics.
The problem is not acoustics. its that your brain wont let you talk normally when you hear a delay in the audio thats longer than a certain point. Their speeches will go terribly and they will blame you. you should definitely warn them that they need to speak from stage area. As to the delay, just rent something or use xlr and tape.
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It's a wedding. Brides (and often their mothers, even more so!) are relentlessly unforgiving about technical "issues." There's something like 900 bridal lead/review sites, and the last thing you want is a review of "HORRIBLE SOUND! Half of my guests couldn't hear our toasts because the mic kept cutting out!" Even though that's not what really happened, it'll still be out there.
That being said, part of this gear discussion is dependent on what the RF environment is in the first place. People commonly assume directional antenna increase the RF strength- I don't know about the transmitter side for certain, but on the receiver side, they actually "increase off-axis RF-rejection." So, if there is no other RF activity in the area, the main benefit in using these is getting the antenna up high so you have a direct line of sight. Pointing a pair of A2003 or UA874US directly at each other, though, will create a pretty resilient signal, tho.
-Ray
I don't know what kind of RF environment I'm going to run into there. I don't have an RF scanner to find out either. It's going to be a matter of using the search feature in the receivers to find what they think is the best frequency to use. That has worked reliably in the past for me.
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+ directional antennas could overload when the transmitter is too close to the transmitter, causing distortion and dropouts.
The transmitter is going to be a Sennheiser beltpack from my lapel mic. I doubt it will overload the directional antenna, let me know if I am wrong. I would be more concerned if I was using an IEM transmitter with an external directional antenna.
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I hate the overall shape of the room. It doesn't look like a hotel ballroom. Having said that, is there an overhead system that can be patched into for the announcements and even the meet and greet & dinner music? It appears that the wedding planner wants you out of the way and at the end of the dance floor. You primary purpose seems to be as DJ for the dance floor. An overhead may not be available, but it does give you options if there is.
I hate the shape too. The big room at the top is the ballroom with 50' ceilings. The other room at the bottom is separate room with a movable divider to separate it from the ballroom. It only has 15' or so ceilings.
There is a built-in system that is horrible. It would be worse to use that than to use nothing at all. I would rather just blast my FOH speakers than use the house system.
Welcome to my life as a wedding DJ that wants to provide professional quality sound.
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The problem is not acoustics. its that your brain wont let you talk normally when you hear a delay in the audio thats longer than a certain point. Their speeches will go terribly and they will blame you. you should definitely warn them that they need to speak from stage area. As to the delay, just rent something or use xlr and tape.
The delay is what I meant by acoustics, maybe I used the wrong term.
I can't rent anything, nothing available locally. I can't use wire because the venue won't allow it.
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There is a built-in system that is horrible. It would be worse to use that than to use nothing at all. I would rather just blast my FOH speakers than use the house system.
Welcome to my life as a wedding DJ that wants to provide professional quality sound.
If it were easy, anyone could do it. Good luck.
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The transmitter is going to be a Sennheiser beltpack from my lapel mic. I doubt it will overload the directional antenna, let me know if I am wrong. I would be more concerned if I was using an IEM transmitter with an external directional antenna.
Ah, yes, I thought you were buying an IEM kit-- did you change tact?
I did a show last year that I used two of those bodypacks at FOH to send to 4 delay speakers around a room (a receiver at each speaker) -- and it worked golden. I put the receivers as high up on the speaker as I could.
(I do have piles of Sennheiser gear if you need to rent something! ;) )
-Ray
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The transmitter is going to be a Sennheiser beltpack from my lapel mic. I doubt it will overload the directional antenna, let me know if I am wrong. I would be more concerned if I was using an IEM transmitter with an external directional antenna.
I made a plexi adapter is bent at 90 degrees. I put a mic 5/8-27 adapter on it and put it on a tall mic stand. The belt pack clips on and the power adapter is velcroed to it.
I use Shure ULX so I bought the Shure power adapter. I then just gaff the receiver to the top of the powered speaker.
If I have a concern with distance, I have a shelf I built that clamps to the speaker pole below the speaker and I use a LP claw to mount a paddle.
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Ah, yes, I thought you were buying an IEM kit-- did you change tact?
I did a show last year that I used two of those bodypacks at FOH to send to 4 delay speakers around a room (a receiver at each speaker) -- and it worked golden. I put the receivers as high up on the speaker as I could.
(I do have piles of Sennheiser gear if you need to rent something! ;) )
-Ray
Someone in this thread suggested using a wireless mic system with a beltpack since I likely wouldn't have use for an IEM later. Since I needed to buy a few wireless systems for a ceremony rig I thought it was a great idea.
Here's what I just purchased:
4 - Sennheiser A2003 Unidirectional antenna (for the delays, and can use later for the mics at ceremonies. I will likely get a combiner at some point.)
2 - Sennheiser A1013 Omnidirectional antenna (for the DJ rig wireless mic)
6 - 25ft RG8 BNC cables
I'll use some boom mic stands I have laying around to get the antennas up high.
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There is a built-in system that is horrible. It would be worse to use that than to use nothing at all. I would rather just blast my FOH speakers than use the house system.
Welcome to my life as a wedding DJ that wants to provide professional quality sound.
David's suggestion was to only use it for toasts and a few annoucements. As a distributed system won't suffer from the apparent delay of a source at one end of a room. Even if it sounds like a telephone, it will be more intelligible than a DJ set up 60-80' away. You could augment it with a patch into your dance system at a low level.
You may want to carry a variety of cables/adapters so you can try patching into it when you set up. Pick the more intelligible of the two.
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David's suggestion was to only use it for toasts and a few annoucements. As a distributed system won't suffer from the apparent delay of a source at one end of a room. Even if it sounds like a telephone, it will be more intelligible than a DJ set up 60-80' away. You could augment it with a patch into your dance system at a low level.
You may want to carry a variety of cables/adapters so you can try patching into it when you set up. Pick the more intelligible of the two.
Stephen,
You've not heard some of the installed "systems" that are out there. Sounding like a telephone would be a major improvement...
When the toast(s) at a wedding start, you have to have volume and clarity to get over a packed room, with everyone talking at once. That type of system power is difficult to find in an install (at your typical event venue).
To be entirely candid, I never had much of a delay problem when the sound system was set up at one end of the room Yes, I would try to convince the bride to have their toasts given from the dance floor, if I had a setup like this, but if not- it still was never bad. Certainly a lot better then using the in-ceiling speakers would have been.
-Ray
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Tomorrow I'm playing in a jazz quartet at an outdoor wedding. We'll be off to one side. The bride and groom will be out at the end of a garden path with the guests on a patio what looks to be (on Google maps) about 30-40' away. And oh, by the way. Do you have a microphone so the guests can hear the vows? Doing sound or playing at weddings can be lucrative, but I've never done one where there wasn't some hassle that required scrambling and grabbing something you brought "just in case". The OP's situation sounds like the typical nightmare.
Agreed to have a wired microphone (so people don't try to carry it around) on a stand up at the dance floor and invite the guests to come up, form a line, and give their toasts from there. Also much easier to manage drunk uncle that way.
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4 - Sennheiser A2003 Unidirectional antenna (for the delays, and can use later for the mics at ceremonies. I will likely get a combiner at some point.)
2 - Sennheiser A1013 Omnidirectional antenna (for the DJ rig wireless mic)
6 - 25ft RG8 BNC cables
I'll use some boom mic stands I have laying around to get the antennas up high.
Hi Josh,
Regardless of how this particular gig pans out, you have just made some very wise purchases. They amount to antenna systems that will accommodate 99% of the needs of any single small pro sound company gig, including RF mic and IEM coverage of most athletic fields, arenas, and concert amphitheatre stages. Very smart!
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Hi Josh,
Regardless of how this particular gig pans out, you have just made some very wise purchases. They amount to antenna systems that will accommodate 99% of the needs of any single small pro sound company gig, including RF mic and IEM coverage of most athletic fields, arenas, and concert amphitheatre stages. Very smart!
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Thank you for the confirmation on the purchase, this is uncharted territory for me.
I always try to provide my clients with the best possible experience. Most DJ's in my area buy whatever they can pick up from GC. That includes the big players. Add the fact that I enjoy a challenge and you have this scenario.
The local rental houses didn't have available what I needed so I had to buy. Luckily it will be equipment I will use regularly.
Next purchase will be a digital mixer to replace the Mackie 1402-VLZ3!
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Stephen,
You've not heard some of the installed "systems" that are out there. Sounding like a telephone would be a major improvement...
When the toast(s) at a wedding start, you have to have volume and clarity to get over a packed room, with everyone talking at once. That type of system power is difficult to find in an install (at your typical event venue).
To be entirely candid, I never had much of a delay problem when the sound system was set up at one end of the room Yes, I would try to convince the bride to have their toasts given from the dance floor, if I had a setup like this, but if not- it still was never bad. Certainly a lot better then using the in-ceiling speakers would have been.
-Ray
You explained my exact issue at this venue. The installed system probably dates from the 80's at best. It definitely would not get over a crowd of 250+ engaging in lively conversation. Once you did get the crowd to sit down and turn their attention to the person with the mic they would hear a telephone conversation. That just isn't acceptable to me or to the client.
I like to have the toaster stand near the toastee so the photographer has a great three-shot. Hopefully the delay won't be too bad to the head table. I will have time to play around, which is really good for me!
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Thank you for the confirmation on the purchase, this is uncharted territory for me.
I always try to provide my clients with the best possible experience. Most DJ's in my area buy whatever they can pick up from GC. That includes the big players. Add the fact that I enjoy a challenge and you have this scenario.
The local rental houses didn't have available what I needed so I had to buy. Luckily it will be equipment I will use regularly.
Next purchase will be a digital mixer to replace the Mackie 1402-VLZ3!
When you start shopping for a digital mixer, make sure you can set delays on the outputs so if you use a matrix (I do for mine) and the extra speakers are 50ft, you can dial up ~50ms delay to keep things natural sounding.
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When you start shopping for a digital mixer, make sure you can set delays on the outputs so if you use a matrix (I do for mine) and the extra speakers are 50ft, you can dial up ~50ms delay to keep things natural sounding.
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The SRX800 series I have can have a delay applied through the DSP, but they have to be networked. I purchased two of these (https://www.iogear.com/product/GWU627/) so I can use the delay speakers with WiFi. I've tested in my garage and it works, hopefully it works in the venue too.
That said, I will look for that feature in a mixer for sure. Easier to set in the mixer than the DSP on the speaker.
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The SRX800 series I have can have a delay applied through the DSP, but they have to be networked. I purchased two of these (https://www.iogear.com/product/GWU627/) so I can use the delay speakers with WiFi. I've tested in my garage and it works, hopefully it works in the venue too.
That said, I will look for that feature in a mixer for sure. Easier to set in the mixer than the DSP on the speaker.
I have been thinking a lot about the network on the SRX's. I think the way to go is to steal 12v from the PS and put the AP in the tops then run a jumper down to the sub(s). That's a lot of hacking for a new speaker.
It looks like all of the communications between the speaker and the software is via an SNMP MIB. I really want to walk the MIB with a software program and see if the software will spill it's guts. Anyone feel like hooking their SRX up to an old hub (not a switch) and to a PC with an Ethernet port on it, boot the machine with a Linux live CD and let me SSH into the box to do some testing? I will share anything useful I figure out?
You will also need Audio Architect or Band Manager running on another computer as I want to capture the traffic from the software to the host (speaker).
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The SRX800 series I have can have a delay applied through the DSP, but they have to be networked. I purchased two of these (https://www.iogear.com/product/GWU627/) so I can use the delay speakers with WiFi. I've tested in my garage and it works, hopefully it works in the venue too.
That said, I will look for that feature in a mixer for sure. Easier to set in the mixer than the DSP on the speaker.
Is there no way to just dial in the delay on the LCD screen like on an ETX?
I prefer to dial it in thru the console/iPad, I can live with dialing it in at the speaker, but having to set up a network just to set DSP for a lounge level gig seems like at lot of extra work.
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I have been thinking a lot about the network on the SRX's. I think the way to go is to steal 12v from the PS and put the AP in the tops then run a jumper down to the sub(s). That's a lot of hacking for a new speaker.
It looks like all of the communications between the speaker and the software is via an SNMP MIB. I really want to walk the MIB with a software program and see if the software will spill it's guts. Anyone feel like hooking their SRX up to an old hub (not a switch) and to a PC with an Ethernet port on it, boot the machine with a Linux live CD and let me SSH into the box to do some testing? I will share anything useful I figure out?
You will also need Audio Architect or Band Manager running on another computer as I want to capture the traffic from the software to the host (speaker).
Put the Linux on a USB drive and I can do that. The only PC I have doesn't have a CD drive. The rest of my computers are Macs.
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Is there no way to just dial in the delay on the LCD screen like on an ETX?
I prefer to dial it in thru the console/iPad, I can live with dialing it in at the speaker, but having to set up a network just to set DSP for a lounge level gig seems like at lot of extra work.
Unfortunately not. Only basic settings on the panel. Using AudioArchitect I believe I can save a setting in the DSP. Then I can recall it later without networking. That could be useful if I know for sure I'll be there again with the same setup.
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Unfortunately not. Only basic settings on the panel. Using AudioArchitect I believe I can save a setting in the DSP. Then I can recall it later without networking. That could be useful if I know for sure I'll be there again with the same setup.
Can you connect each speaker at home via RJ45 cable, set and save the config?
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Can you connect each speaker at home via RJ45 cable, set and save the config?
I could, but I don't know the exact distance from FOH to the delay speakers. Once I have it setup at the venue I will save the setting. I expect to be back there again. This wedding is one of the big weddings of the year. I'm hoping to get a lot of work from the pictures and word of mouth.
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The event was last night and went really well. The delay speakers worked perfectly after some troubleshooting with the networking.
Setting the delay and volume was easier that I than I thought it would be. That only took me a minute or two.
I put the wireless beltpack on a lighting stand to get it as high as I could, there were no issues with reception at all.
The owner of the venue came up to get a card from me because of how good the system sounded.
I wish I got some other pictures than the one below but I was short on time due to the troubleshooting.
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Now I'm off to figure out a new mixer. I need a better EQ for the mic than what my Mackie offers.
Thank you to everyone for the help, I really appreciate it.