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Anyone have any experience working with a violin with the Headway The Band Violin Pickup System?
http://www.headwaymusicaudio.com/product/the-band-violin/
We have a violinist in our group with this pickup and I'm thinking we need to use a direct box for it. I'm wondering if I need to use a direct box that is designed for a piezo pickup or not.
Thanks!
Alan
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Anyone have any experience working with a violin with the Headway The Band Violin Pickup System?
http://www.headwaymusicaudio.com/product/the-band-violin/
We have a violinist in our group with this pickup and I'm thinking we need to use a direct box for it. I'm wondering if I need to use a direct box that is designed for a piezo pickup or not.
Thanks!
Alan
Alan,
The ad copy:
"It requires no alteration of the instrument itself and generates a strong passive (no batteries required) signal which can usually be plugged straight into a mixing desk or combo amp."
would indicate it could use any ordinary direct box. An active direct may have more extended high frequency response over a passive due to the higher input impedance not loading the pickup, but given that we often cut the HF on violins, the choice of DI could be subjective.
Art
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Art is not wrong.
But as usual with such products, I recommend purchasing the matching pre-amp/DI designed and engineered by the manufacturer to match the transducer part of the SYSTEM.
Here's a link to the primo model. Two other less featured models are available for less cost.
http://www.wwbw.com/Headway-EDB-2-Direct-Preamp-J08559-i3687911.wwbw
Why instrumentalists persist in buying 1/2 a system is beyond me...
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Art is not wrong.
But as usual with such products, I recommend purchasing the matching pre-amp/DI designed and engineered by the manufacturer to match the transducer part of the SYSTEM.
Here's a link to the primo model. Two other less featured models are available for less cost.
http://www.wwbw.com/Headway-EDB-2-Direct-Preamp-J08559-i3687911.wwbw
Why instrumentalists persist in buying 1/2 a system is beyond me...
Dude...too many knobs man. 8) What do they all do? ;D
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If it is a Piezo pickup it needs an ultra high impedance active DI.
http://www.radialeng.com/pzdi.php
http://www.radialeng.com/stagebugsb4.php
Etc...
But I agree with the half a system comment too.
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I ordered the StageBug SB-4 as well as a StageBug SB-1, so we'll see which one sounds better.
I'll encourage the violinist to consider buying one of the preamps designed to work with pickup.
Thanks for the help!
Alan
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Dude...too many knobs man. 8) What do they all do? ;D
I agree. I've seen enough players botch up their sound with overly complicated "direct boxes". I've even demonstrated a couple of times that swapping theirs for a cheap tube preamp/DI like the ART Tube MP sounds better with less work.
Best regards,
John
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Why instrumentalists persist in buying 1/2 a system is beyond me...
The same reason they show up at a gig without a 1/4" cable. The sound guy has everything needed to make their stuff work.
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I agree. I've seen enough players botch up their sound with overly complicated "direct boxes". I've even demonstrated a couple of times that swapping theirs for a cheap tube preamp/DI like the ART Tube MP sounds better with less work.
Best regards,
John
The linked box was their most ambitious. There are two other models, each simpler with fewer suck knobs, but designed by the engineering staff to match up with the pickup thingee itself.
Me, I'd play a full out electric fiddle if I had to work in a band with amplified instruments. No messing around...solid body, plenty of signal, no feedback.
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I've seen enough players botch up their sound with overly complicated "direct boxes".
It's about a 1 in 5 shot that anyone coming to my theater with a LR Baggs acoustic DI hasn't totally bodged their sound.
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An active direct may have more extended high frequency response over a passive due to the higher input impedance not loading the pickup, but given that we often cut the HF on violins, the choice of DI could be subjective.
A high input impedance with a piezo pickup is usually required to bring out the low end of an instrument rather than the high end.
Plugging a piezo double bass bridge pickup into a normal line input loses the bottom end.
Steve.
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The linked box was their most ambitious. There are two other models, each simpler with fewer suck knobs, but designed by the engineering staff to match up with the pickup thingee itself.
Me, I'd play a full out electric fiddle if I had to work in a band with amplified instruments. No messing around...solid body, plenty of signal, no feedback.
I agree-we've been tempted to go that route on and off for years. A nice Jensen 5 string with the Barbera bridge...
John
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A high input impedance with a piezo pickup is usually required to bring out the low end of an instrument rather than the high end.
Plugging a piezo double bass bridge pickup into a normal line input loses the bottom end.
It also makes the mids sound really bad.
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I'd go with a PZDI. Whether or not the PZ buffer sounds better on that pickup, it will likely sound better on whatever is on the backup instrument. (If you are in the UK and it's hard to get Radial, try an Orchid active DI.)
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It also makes the mids sound really bad.
Doesn't help the high end much, either.
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Doesn't help the high end much, either.
So apart from the low end, the mids and the highs, it sounds fine!
Steve.
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I'm loving the new Rupert Neve Designs RNDI in this application. It only has a 2MOhm input impedance, but it seems to be enough.
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Avenson mini DI
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Avenson mini DI
That looks good. I see no reason for a DI to be much bigger than that. I have no idea why the industry standard (at least over here) BSS DI is so large.
Steve.
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That looks good. I see no reason for a DI to be much bigger than that. I have no idea why the industry standard (at least over here) BSS DI is so large.
Steve.
Double duty as a 12AM aiming device? ;)
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http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,151663.msg1390673.html#msg1390673 (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,151663.msg1390673.html#msg1390673)
I don't know if this linked thread is instructive, but just about any active input DI will have a very high inherent input impedance, often using a resistor termination to define the input Z lower. In the above case we were able to raise the input impedance to 3M for use with a piezo transducer by swapping out the termination resistor.
JR