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This speaker is hanging in a church, being powered by a 100watt Realistic mixer/amp.
Picture is taken from underneath and behind.
Does anyone recognize this speaker?
It looks rather EV-ish to me... I'm searching EV's old product archives.
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This speaker is hanging in a church, being powered by a 100watt Realistic mixer/amp.
Picture is taken from underneath and behind.
Does anyone recognize this speaker?
It looks rather EV-ish to me... I'm searching EV's old product archives.
Looks like it also could be Peavy or OAP.
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Looks like it also could be Peavy or OAP.
OAP was my first thought as well, but a picture of the input panel and what appears to be a label below it might provide additional information, as may a picture of the front of the speaker.
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OAP was my first thought as well, but a picture of the input panel and what appears to be a label below it might provide additional information, as may a picture of the front of the speaker.
I did not have a tall ladder nor binoculars handy while visiting this church.
Speaker front was black cloth grille with no logo.
I took the pic from bottom rear because it shows the distinctive horizontal cross section.
Haven't found it in EV archives.
Nor is it Peavey Sanctuary series.
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I did not have a tall ladder nor binoculars handy while visiting this church.
Speaker front was black cloth grille with no logo.
I took the pic from bottom rear because it shows the distinctive horizontal cross section.
Haven't found it in EV archives.
Nor is it Peavey Sanctuary series.
So take another zoomed photo of the connector dish. This will at least help us to help you determine the manufacturer.
It is very likely to not be a current product. Check Peavy's legacy products. It is either that or OAP.
Have you asked if there is as-built documentation from when the system was installed ?
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I did not have a tall ladder nor binoculars handy while visiting this church.
Speaker front was black cloth grille with no logo.
I took the pic from bottom rear because it shows the distinctive horizontal cross section.
Haven't found it in EV archives.
Nor is it Peavey Sanctuary series.
A little bit hard to tell the details from just that picture but it looks like the speaker may be hung on chain that is almost perpendicular to eyebolts that are screwed into the sides of the box and given that it also seems reasonable to guess that all the hardware may be of the unrated, local hardware store variety. If any of this is true then it should probably be taken down as soon as possible and maybe you could get a better view then.
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Looks like it also could be Peavy or OAP.
OAP was my first thought as well, but a picture of the input panel and what appears to be a label below it might provide additional information, as may a picture of the front of the speaker.
Okay, half right. Turns out this is a Peavey CL-1 cluster. Couldn't find any old manuals, but found a manual for the related CL-2. (CL-2 is the portable version, CL-1 is the install version.)
Found a pic of a CL-1 for sale, with grill removed.
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I got up on a ladder with a zoom camera to get a shot of the input plate. Mounted upside down.
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I got up on a ladder with a zoom camera to get a shot of the input plate. Mounted upside down.
So now that you know what the speaker is-what is the question?
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So now that you know what the speaker is-what is the question?
The question was: What is this speaker?
Now I can choose the right amp to replace the Realistic 100watt mixer/amp that is currently running this cluster in series (?!) with some 4-ohm ceiling mount speakers in the back rooms.
I note that the CL-1 backplate says 4-ohms, while the CL-2 (portable version) backplate says 8-ohms. Yet I measured impedance (of CL-1) at 5.6ohms at 1KHz, so maybe this is really an 8-ohm cluster.
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The question was: What is this speaker?
Now I can choose the right amp to replace the Realistic 100watt mixer/amp that is currently running this cluster in series (?!) with some 4-ohm ceiling mount speakers in the back rooms.
I note that the CL-1 backplate says 4-ohms, while the CL-2 (portable version) backplate says 8-ohms. Yet I measured impedance (of CL-1) at 5.6ohms at 1KHz, so maybe this is really an 8-ohm cluster.
A DC resistance of 5.6Ω might mean it is an 8Ω speaker, but an actual impedance measurement at 1K only says at 1K it is 5.6Ω. Measure a frequency sweep and see where and how wide the lowest impedance dip is before you call it an 8Ω speaker.
I'd want to replace that hanging hardware as well. The non-rated eyebolt seems to be pulling through the plywood. This system repair should include more than a new amp.
Mac
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This speaker is hanging in a church, being powered by a 100watt Realistic mixer/amp.
Picture is taken from underneath and behind.
Does anyone recognize this speaker?
It looks rather EV-ish to me... I'm searching EV's old product archives.
I was confused as well as the CL-1 is an 8 Ohm Black Tolex covered enclosure, with no flying points and the CL-2 is a 4 Ohm painted enclosure with fly points.
However in looking at the photo of the rear of the "CL-1" enclosure it appears to have been painted over in white.
Thus (to me) that makes those fly points suspicious. I would also advise that the foam suspension on those 6 inch speakers may be sufficiently deteriorated by now. Peavey no longer has those transducers as replacement parts.
Also from the apparent rust on the jacks, the switching Bi-amp input jacks could be an issue as well.
Nothing on the CL-1 but here is URL for the CL-2:
http://www.peavey.com/assets/literature/manuals/80300654.pdf
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I was confused as well as the CL-1 is an 8 Ohm Black Tolex covered enclosure, with no flying points and the CL-2 is a 4 Ohm painted enclosure with fly points.
However in looking at the photo of the rear of the "CL-1" enclosure it appears to have been painted over in white.
Thus (to me) that makes those fly points suspicious.
I missed that but now that you mention it, in the one picture the serial number sticker says "Model CL-1 Flat Black" and you can pretty clearly see it was painted white. However, based on the product datasheet linked and the information I've found online, isn't the CL-2 the 8 Ohm, Tolex covered, expanded metal grille portable version and the CL-1 the church/install version?
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I was confused as well as the CL-1 is an 8 Ohm Black Tolex covered enclosure, with no flying points and the CL-2 is a 4 Ohm painted enclosure with fly points.
However in looking at the photo of the rear of the "CL-1" enclosure it appears to have been painted over in white.
Thus (to me) that makes those fly points suspicious. I would also advise that the foam suspension on those 6 inch speakers may be sufficiently deteriorated by now. Peavey no longer has those transducers as replacement parts.
Also from the apparent rust on the jacks, the switching Bi-amp input jacks could be an issue as well.
Nothing on the CL-1 but here is URL for the CL-2:
http://www.peavey.com/assets/literature/manuals/80300654.pdf
You got that backwards. CL-1 Cluster is the install version. Yes, somebody painted it white, for good looks in the church. And yes, looks like they invented the "fly points". CL-2 Cluster is the portable version with handles.
As the speaker is working, and they have not asked me to mess with it, I'm not going to touch it. I just had to know what it is in order to specify the correct amplifier.