Jeff Babcock wrote on Tue, 17 April 2007 16:18 |
BTW, the existing editor works fine, it just doesn't support "Live" mode. It's a wonderful tool for making presets. |
Justin Rygel wrote on Wed, 07 June 2006 19:20 |
The unit did add a barely perceptible amount of noise to the total system. When I say ‘barely perceptible’, I mean that it was difficult tell the difference over the building’s/existing system’s noise floor (I did the install at 11:00 pm and was the only one there), not audible at all during Sunday morning. |
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The hiss from this unit is very audible IMO... |
Michael 'Bink' Knowles wrote on Fri, 27 April 2007 19:09 | ||
I understand that the VSX26 output is capable of +24 which is definitely higher than your amp needs in order to produce full power. It's 4dB higher than the DRPA specs, for instance, and about 10dB higher than typical DRPA usage. Instead of turning your amps up halfway and listening, try turning your amps all the way down to start. Then bring up a CD (or whatever) on your mixer so that it shows rockin' LEDs and pump that into the VSX so it shows happy levels coming in. Only THEN do you move back to the amps and bring them carefully up to expected show SPL plus a another notch for headroom. Shut the CD off and listen once more for hiss. I'm betting it will be lower and I'm betting your amp volume knobs will be lower than halfway. -Bink |
Robert Fielder wrote on Fri, 04 May 2007 18:21 |
A Peavey with a hiss problem. After all the trash talk about Behringer, it turns out that the DCX2496 is quite silent, but the so-called superiour brand has the problem most accuse Behringer of. |
Robert Fielder wrote on Sat, 05 May 2007 23:25 |
Bennett Prescott wrote on Sat, 05 May 2007 12:46} A little research would show you that the reason most of the advanced users on this board refuse to deal with Behringer has nothing to do with whether their products actually work. -end quote Bennett: Sorry, but the most given reason is that Behringers: are noisey, unreliable, and represent intellectual theft, in that order from what I have read. Which does not alter my point, or the humour in the situation. |
John Roberts {JR} wrote on Sun, 06 May 2007 07:44 |
I thought the order was 1) lack of intellectual integrity 2) substitution of substandard components, and 3) poor customer service... |
Robert Fielder wrote on Tue, 08 May 2007 08:39 |
I listed the slams against Behringer according to the numbers as I have read them. Others will have read different messages. However, the number of messages I received that complained about how Behringer copies technology from other companies was actually very few, and often added as an afterthought. The most common reasons for not using Behringer that I have been given when asked, and that I have seen reading other discussions here and elsewhere, was that first, they are noisy, and second, they are unreliable. What I found most fascinating was when I asked on two DJ forums about the Behringer CX2310 crossover. There were two basic responses - those that had one, loved it, found it quiet and reliable even after a few years of service. Those that did not have one and had never used one said they were noisy and unreliable. There was exactly one person who had tried the CX2310 and found it too noisy and decided not to buy one - but he qualified his response by admitting he had cranked the levels way up to get the noise. Given that sort of response, what soft of conclusion would YOU come to? I am not tring to start a Behringer war, or hijack this disucssion - I am just explaining my earlier comments. |
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However, all this does bring me to a question - if many people say that Behringer is known to borrow technology, how do they explain the DCX2496? My understanding is that it was released either at the same time as the DRPA/DR 260 (whichever came first), or else it was a little earlier. How can you claim such a product is based on stolen technology when that technology has not been released yet? If my understanding of the release dates is incorrect, please let me know. If there is something else I am not aware of, please advise. This is something I have been wondering about.... |
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Also - there have been a few comments that the VSX 48 does not have the same noise issues that the VSX 26 has. However, I have seen messages that indicate that the VSX 48 is not available. Is this because it is out of stock, or has the VSX 48 not started shipping yet? |
Don Boomer wrote on Wed, 09 May 2007 08:11 |
The "noise issue" is really a misunderstanding by most users that think they are having a problem. The noise spec is -107 dB below full scale ... hardly noisey. |
Don Boomer wrote on Wed, 09 May 2007 08:11 |
As far as the VSX48 being different ... it is not. VSX48's have not yet been released for general sale (although they can be had in a beta release ... check with your dealer) |
Don Boomer wrote on Wed, 09 May 2007 05:11 |
...if you use high gain amplifiers (ours included) you need to scale back the sensitivity probably about 15 dB or so. Unfortunately we did not provide an adjustment on the unit itself so the correction must be made on the amplifier end od the line instead of the crossover output, which is the way more people are used to doing it. |
Mike Pyle wrote on Wed, 09 May 2007 19:17 | ||
I'm not familiar with the VSX26. It sounds to me like you are saying there is no output gain control for each frequency band. Is that correct? Seems a bit risky for those folks who may have 1000 watt amp channels driving 100 watt horn drivers to walk away from an amp that is attenuated that much to match the bandpass gains. edited to add quote. |
Tim McCulloch wrote on Thu, 10 May 2007 13:13 |
I suspect the band-pass attenuation occurs in the digital domain rather than at the analog outputs. You can reduce the band-pass output level, but not the accompanying noise that comes after the D/A conversion and output amp. If I'm wrong, Don Boomer or Marty McCann will step in to correct me, I hope. Have fun, good luck. Tim Mc |
Mike Pyle wrote on Thu, 10 May 2007 17:59 | ||
Yeah, I downloaded the manual and see that the signal levels are adjustable, so I suppose you are correct. So what do other mfgrs do differently? I have variety of other dsp and they are all just about dead silent with the amp gains all the way up. |
Tony "T" Tissot wrote on Sat, 29 March 2008 01:09 |
If they get this GUI to work I may just go with these. |
Peter Etheredge wrote on Wed, 28 May 2008 09:35 |
I currently have a DR260 on an install but would like to go to something that has at least 3-inputs so that I can aux feed subs |
Peter Etheredge wrote on Wed, 28 May 2008 09:35 |
(yes I know that to do this with the VSX26 it involves a "skanky hack" with the RTA input but I don't need anything fancy). |
Peter Etheredge wrote on Wed, 28 May 2008 09:35 |
It would be nice if it could be a decent "budget" unit that I could possibly just trade the DR260 for, especially since it's just doing some simple crossover/delay for some QSC HPR's and frankly I feel like the DR260 is overkill. |
Peter Etheredge wrote on Wed, 28 May 2008 09:35 |
Tony I know that you and Elliot had some better luck with the BBE DS 48 but I'm still not sure of the "stigma" attached to it (the Peavey seems to have less to me). |
John Horvath wrote on Wed, 28 May 2008 12:25 |
Xilica XP-3060 has three inputs. |
Peter Etheredge wrote on Wed, 28 May 2008 07:35 |
So did we ever come to a final conclusion on the VSX26 as far as the hum thing is concerned? There seems to be a lot of conflicting reports on it. |
Robert Fielder wrote on Wed, 28 May 2008 14:18 |
Mind you, I have not yet found any Canadian retailers that list the products...... |
Jason Lavoie wrote on Wed, 28 May 2008 22:08 | ||
In Canada they are distributed exclusively by White Radio |
Robert Fielder wrote on Wed, 28 May 2008 22:52 |
Perhaps White Radio is a retailer who handles Xilica products in your area? |
Tony "T" Tissot wrote on Wed, 28 May 2008 19:47 |
I have, can't say what "we" are doing. Except that others have thrown the VSX in the trash. It's just a noisy unit. You would not believe the "weapons-grade" BS being spouted by Peavey tech support on the forums: |
Jeff Babcock wrote on Thu, 29 May 2008 07:53 |
I don't think there are that many that have thrown the VSX in the trash. |
John Horvath wrote on Wed, 28 May 2008 11:25 | ||||||||
Xilica XP-3060 has three inputs.
Xilica XP-3060 requires no skanky hack.
Xilica XP-3060 < $600.
Xilica XP-3060, no stigma included. Sorry to sound like a broken record, but it's a great unit. |
Peter Etheredge wrote on Thu, 29 May 2008 11:08 |
Also, in regards to the BBE unit, should I go down that road, how much of an issue is the whole clipping thingy? Obviously I'll set up my gain structure right and use limiters, especially as this system is used by, to put it nicely, amateurs, but if someone starts to hit the limiters that I set up will the sound start to distort? I guess my main concern would be running into distortion at some point. Any other comments on that unit? These questions apply to anyone else who has used it. Thanks! -pete |
Peter Etheredge wrote on Thu, 29 May 2008 09:08 |
Also, in regards to the BBE unit, should I go down that road, how much of an issue is the whole clipping thingy? -pete |
Jeff Babcock wrote on Thu, 29 May 2008 15:53 |
It SOUNDS like a good idea but in practical use most users will not structure their gain around the unit (not driving it hard enough, and not reducing amp gain on the other end). If you don't follow this, then YES it is noisy, but that is not because the hardware is noisy but simply because there is too much gain after the unit. It IS possible to have a quiet system with the VSX, but not if you do not carefully set up gain structure. |
Justin Rygel wrote on Mon, 02 June 2008 17:12 |
I can't hear a huge difference in sound quality, but the Sabine definitely has a lower noise floor and is therefore more forgiving of poor gain structure. |