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Hi, for small to medium gigs I have been using PRX618s and 615s and for the most part happy with results. I have had few events that system was pushed to it's limit. Was thinking of moving to srx 800 series (828s and either 835s or 815s). My only concern would be weight and portability. The prx was pretty easy setup. Anyone out there utilize this setup? How is setup? Thanks!
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My rig consists of 18" PRX 8 subs and SRX815p tops. The SRX815 are great sounding high powered speakers, perfect for small to medium sized corporate events. But they are big & bulky. They tend to take up a lot of vehicle space. Kinda overkill for smaller bar gigs.
I recently picked up a pair of the new QSC K12.2 and I'm excited about using them instead of the SRX815 for small gigs.
I've played shows through SRX835p, and those things positively ROCK. But they are HUGE, and impossible to manage without another set of hands. But for larger stages, these speakers are amazing. Just need to find a stage hand with a strong back to help move em around.
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My rig consists of 18" PRX 8 subs and SRX815p tops. The SRX815 are great sounding high powered speakers, perfect for small to medium sized corporate events. But they are big & bulky. They tend to take up a lot of vehicle space. Kinda overkill for smaller bar gigs.
I recently picked up a pair of the new QSC K12.2 and I'm excited about using them instead of the SRX815 for small gigs.
I've played shows through SRX835p, and those things positively ROCK. But they are HUGE, and impossible to manage without another set of hands. But for larger stages, these speakers are amazing. Just need to find a stage hand with a strong back to help move em around.
Thanks Scott, your using prx 618xlfs with the 815s?
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Can confirm on SRX800P, I don't own a rig but I've heard the 835's and 828's on quite a few occasions on outdoor shows. Really good pick if you got space and manpower. SRX800P can compete and possibly outperform EV ETX and QSC KW, not sure on Yamaha DZR since it's not released yet.
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Thanks Scott, your using prx 618xlfs with the 815s?
PRX818XLFW
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Can confirm on SRX800P, I don't own a rig but I've heard the 835's and 828's on quite a few occasions on outdoor shows. Really good pick if you got space and manpower. SRX800P can compete and possibly outperform EV ETX and QSC KW, not sure on Yamaha DZR since it's not released yet.
IMO JBL SRX800 outperforms all other MI level sound rigs. It's basically a starter Pro system.
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My rig consists of 18" PRX 8 subs and SRX815p tops. The SRX815 are great sounding high powered speakers, perfect for small to medium sized corporate events. But they are big & bulky. They tend to take up a lot of vehicle space. Kinda overkill for smaller bar gigs.
I recently picked up a pair of the new QSC K12.2 and I'm excited about using them instead of the SRX815 for small gigs.
I've played shows through SRX835p, and those things positively ROCK. But they are HUGE, and impossible to manage without another set of hands. But for larger stages, these speakers are amazing. Just need to find a stage hand with a strong back to help move em around.
We field a very large inventory of QSC gear and my opinion (popular arong here) is the Yamaha DSX112 eats the K,K2 and KW for lunch. I will never buy another K. We are pushing all of our KW112's to monitor duty and using DSR and KW153's for mains. I am not even sure the KW153's are a step up from the DSR's.
The SRX812 is a bulky speaker for a 2 way box. I would go with the DSR's and consider the SRX835's for the next step up.
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We field a very large inventory of QSC gear and my opinion (popular arong here) is the Yamaha DSX112 eats the K,K2 and KW for lunch. I will never buy another K. We are pushing all of our KW112's to monitor duty and using DSR and KW153's for mains. I am not even sure the KW153's are a step up from the DSR's.
The SRX812 is a bulky speaker for a 2 way box. I would go with the DSR's and consider the SRX835's for the next step up.
Thanks! I do currently use srx700 series on larger gigs but wanted more portable system with a little extra then what prx system gives me. The 828s are 20lbs lighter but still maybe much to handle. Possibly the 818s w/ 815. Also, contemplating VRX system. Will also look at DSR.
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Hi, for small to medium gigs I have been using PRX618s and 615s and for the most part happy with results. I have had few events that system was pushed to it's limit. Was thinking of moving to srx 800 series (828s and either 835s or 815s). My only concern would be weight and portability. The prx was pretty easy setup. Anyone out there utilize this setup? How is setup? Thanks!
Bob, you are considering exactly what I did. I have the 615 over 618 PRX system, and find it excellent in a small or medium rooms. I do an outdoor concert in the park series here locally, and wanted something with more horsepower, but still capable of fitting in my minivan. I purchased the SRX 815's over the single 818's. They can certainly go much louder and sound a bit better as well - no regrets. As others have mentioned the downside is the weight. I need help getting my SRX box up on a pole, but the PRX is a breeze. Regarding bulk, I find no real difference, except the SRX boxes are taller which is not an issue for me. The form-factor on the subs was a little difficult at first (low & wide), but I solved that by putting rubber feet on the sides of the subs, allowing me to easily hand truck them. They're a little harder to get in & out of the van but the extra output is worth it.
When I purchased the SRX boxes I placed ad's and almost sold my PRX stuff (part of my original plan), but boy I'm glad I didn't! I still use the PRX system 90% of the time as it is so much easier to deploy. YMMV
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Bob, you are considering exactly what I did. I have the 615 over 618 PRX system, and find it excellent in a small or medium rooms. I do an outdoor concert in the park series here locally, and wanted something with more horsepower, but still capable of fitting in my minivan. I purchased the SRX 815's over the single 818's. They can certainly go much louder and sound a bit better as well - no regrets. As others have mentioned the downside is the weight. I need help getting my SRX box up on a pole, but the PRX is a breeze. Regarding bulk, I find no real difference, except the SRX boxes are taller which is not an issue for me. The form-factor on the subs was a little difficult at first (low & wide), but I solved that by putting rubber feet on the sides of the subs, allowing me to easily hand truck them. They're a little harder to get in & out of the van but the extra output is worth it.
When I purchased the SRX boxes I placed ad's and almost sold my PRX stuff (part of my original plan), but boy I'm glad I didn't! I still use the PRX system 90% of the time as it is so much easier to deploy. YMMV
Cool, your running prx 818 powered and srx 815 passive? Didn't like the srx 818sp?
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Cool, your running prx 818 powered and srx 815 passive? Didn't like the srx 818sp?
Hmm - don't think I said that?
I use the following (full model numbers):
PRX615M over PRX618xlf
SRX815P over SRX818SP
And no, I love the 818SP!
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Hmm - don't think I said that?
I use the following (full model numbers):
PRX615M over PRX618xlf
SRX815P over SRX818SP
And no, I love the 818SP!
Sorry my mistake. Do you find the 815 out running sub or are you using 4 subs and 2 tops?
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Can confirm on SRX800P, I don't own a rig but I've heard the 835's and 828's on quite a few occasions on outdoor shows. Really good pick if you got space and manpower. SRX800P can compete and possibly outperform EV ETX and QSC KW, not sure on Yamaha DZR since it's not released yet.
. I sold my PRX speakers and only use the SRX812P. They are the best speakers I have ever owned. Yes, a heavier speaker at 56 Pounds, a little bigger, but great punch and clarity. But that is just my opinion. Have not heard the Yamaha, or other popular brands, except QSC, which I did not like the sound at all. But QSC customer service is second to none.A+
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I had the original PRX 500 series and recently took inventory of the SRX812SP and SRX818SP. The PRX line is no slouch and sounds darn good. The SRX line is simply better in all regards though. While the overall sound difference isn't that much, it's what happens when pushed and and the sheer output of the SRX that sets it apart. The SRX simply sounds great while at performance levels and stays that way all the way until the end of the line. When the speakers processing starts to do its job, it does so without killing the sound, or being very obvious. Needless to say the SRX has worked wondrously for me and they just seem to run at idle for most of my needs.
While the QSC options are not my first choice, they aren't my last. I am not a fan of the K series. It is a plastic box and to me they perform like a plastic box would. The KW series isn't much better. QSC has a " sound " to them and I am not a fan of it. Heck even their Wideline stuff has a sound to it I don't care for. They work well, but that's about the best I can give it.
There isn't an EV product line I have worked with that I wasn't happy with. All of their stuff just seems to be well rounded and the performance to dollar amount has always been good. I own a set of the EV ZX1's and still to this day believe they are the best 8" speaker your money can get. I recently used both their ETX and their ZLX for monitors and they were both stellar. The ZLX was unique in that you could get well into the speakers limiting and essentially extract all the SPL the speaker was likely going to give you anyway, without feedback, and it sounded really nice and clear. The ETX was very much the same in that it simply had lots of volume before any problems arose and required very little EQ work beyond that to have plenty of level. Pretty much everything EV makes is the best performance to dollar amount.
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I had the original PRX 500 series and recently took inventory of the SRX812SP and SRX818SP. The PRX line is no slouch and sounds darn good. The SRX line is simply better in all regards though. While the overall sound difference isn't that much, it's what happens when pushed and and the sheer output of the SRX that sets it apart. The SRX simply sounds great while at performance levels and stays that way all the way until the end of the line. When the speakers processing starts to do its job, it does so without killing the sound, or being very obvious. Needless to say the SRX has worked wondrously for me and they just seem to run at idle for most of my needs.
While the QSC options are not my first choice, they aren't my last. I am not a fan of the K series. It is a plastic box and to me they perform like a plastic box would. The KW series isn't much better. QSC has a " sound " to them and I am not a fan of it. Heck even their Wideline stuff has a sound to it I don't care for. They work well, but that's about the best I can give it.
There isn't an EV product line I have worked with that I wasn't happy with. All of their stuff just seems to be well rounded and the performance to dollar amount has always been good. I own a set of the EV ZX1's and still to this day believe they are the best 8" speaker your money can get. I recently used both their ETX and their ZLX for monitors and they were both stellar. The ZLX was unique in that you could get well into the speakers limiting and essentially extract all the SPL the speaker was likely going to give you anyway, without feedback, and it sounded really nice and clear. The ETX was very much the same in that it simply had lots of volume before any problems arose and required very little EQ work beyond that to have plenty of level. Pretty much everything EV makes is the best performance to dollar amount.
You prefer 812 over 815?
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I prefer 12" over 15" any day of the week. Unless you go with the SRX835P, I don't feel there is any benefit to the 15". The 15" is a bit larger than the 12" and it doesn't really perform any better. The 835 is another story. It is another step up ion terms of output, although it has essentially the same sonic characteristic and it is meant more for a larger stacked system where you use two mains per side to get 120* of coverage. The Coverage of the horns are very close to spec and the output of the speaker is not kidding around.
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I prefer 12" over 15" any day of the week. Unless you go with the SRX835P, I don't feel there is any benefit to the 15". The 15" is a bit larger than the 12" and it doesn't really perform any better. The 835 is another story. It is another step up ion terms of output, although it has essentially the same sonic characteristic and it is meant more for a larger stacked system where you use two mains per side to get 120* of coverage. The Coverage of the horns are very close to spec and the output of the speaker is not kidding around.
Thanks! Curious have you used the VRX system? Was contemplating those as well. Seems I could build on to that.
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Sorry my mistake. Do you find the 815 out running sub or are you using 4 subs and 2 tops?
They will outrun the subs if you set the levels on both to max. I reduce the volume on the tops for nice, even and linear coverage. I am currently using only 1 single 18 per side, but my upgrade plan calls for adding another 18 per side - or getting the 218 single unit to run on one side. Having said that, the output of the single 18's is really good.
I prefer 15" two-way boxes over the 12" units. I had a wide system set up last week, with 2 boxes per side for coverage - (1) 15" PRX and (1) 12" DSR. Walking back and forth, both speakers sounded great but I loved the warm, low-mid coming from the 15" JBL a little better than the 12" DSR.
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I have been using the VRX a lot lately and in fact set a system of them up today and will be using them in another couple weeks for another gig of mine. I don't particularly care for them, but they are well excepted and perform as they suggest. They are really meant to work in a full array. As a single box on a stick they are just not great sounding. Even with a pair on sticks they are a bit too shrill and not very warm sounding. Once you get three to four of them in a hang, they start to even out a little more and they work better.
The VRX is VERY OLD now and is likely on its way out the door, or at the very least due for an update. I would hold out a little longer to see where they go with them. They are not very light at 55lbs each and they are a little unruly for a single man to hang. They are more a team effort type of speaker. I think they are priced a little too high as well given their spec and performance. For $2,500 each they really should sound a little better. They have a lot of high end as is evidenced by their spec sheet. They even out after a full array of them is up, but it is still a little work to make them work.
I am not a fan of the QSC KLA array either, and for many of the same reasons.
Turbosound just released a version of what is essentially the VRX calle dthe Berlin, and I have heard good things about it. A little lighter, just about as loud and sounds MUCH better, is the feedback I have gotten.
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Thanks to everyone for responses. Torn between the 812 or 815. I'm used to the coverage and mids of a 15, do you feel 12s would produce same result?
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If you haven't seen this thread check it out, some of those details are parsed out.
http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php?topic=159065.0 (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php?topic=159065.0)
Thanks to everyone for responses. Torn between the 812 or 815. I'm used to the coverage and mids of a 15, do you feel 12s would produce same result?
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Thanks to everyone for responses. Torn between the 812 or 815. I'm used to the coverage and mids of a 15, do you feel 12s would produce same result?
I've joined the camp that a 12" two-way is best until you get the crossover down around 1000Hz or even lower, which means a pretty expensive compression driver.
A 15" just gets too beamy when used up to a typical crossover frequency nearer 2000Hz. ..
If on-axis freq response looks really good on a 15" crossed near 2kHz, you gotta believe off-axis response is taking some real wobbles....
I don't think the srx812 and 815 powered show off-axis specs anymore, but I remember seeing them on the passive models, FWIW.
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I own both the SRX812p and the SRX815p. I chose the 15"s when I first purchased my SRX800 series PA. This was probably due to the fact I was replacing my old SRX700 series PA and that was also 15's - it was what I was used to using.
However, a few months later, I came across a used mint pair of 12's that I couldn't pass up and I must say they are fantastic speakers. Now, I use the 12's inside and the 15's outside. Could I use the 12's outside and get as good results? - probably as there is only 1db difference between the two - but I like the sound of the 15's when used with my SRX818's and SRX828's.
Please refer to the link Patrick provides - a recent discussion comparing the 2.
I believe you could go either way but if weight and size matters - the 812 takes it.
Check out the DSR112 (or maybe wait to see what the new DZR brings ). These are my go to speakers for all the bars and small clubs. They are surprisingly good and match up well to the SRX812 at a much more affordable price tag.
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I've joined the camp that a 12" two-way is best until you get the crossover down around 1000Hz or even lower, which means a pretty expensive compression driver.
A 15" just gets too beamy when used up to a typical crossover frequency nearer 2000Hz. ..
If on-axis freq response looks really good on a 15" crossed near 2kHz, you gotta believe off-axis response is taking some real wobbles....
I don't think the srx812 and 815 powered show off-axis specs anymore, but I remember seeing them on the passive models, FWIW.
The 815p's are the most even, linear 90 deg speakers I've ever used. I use mine outside and the mid & high coverage is excellent, both on and off axis.
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Wow, thank you guys for all of your input on the SRX800 series. I've been very proud of mine ever since I bought them, but lots of people look askance at JBL these days in favor of the seemingly more popular QSC.
I'm talking strictly on the MI level now. Most working bands and musicians I know have no idea about RCF or any of the other Pro-level brands out there.
It makes sense that JBL is not faring as well these days since nobody is reviewing these speakers on the big websites (musiciansfriend.com, Sweetwater, B&H, Amazon, etc...).
Google 'best powered PA speakers 2017 or 2018' and watch how QSC, Yamaha, and even Mackie of all brands garner all the attention and support.
Part of it is the fact that JBL's low end stuff is just garbage, and that people talk trash about the PRX line.
Most folks have no idea how good the SRX line is. Sure, it's pricey. But it's worth it! My SRX815Ps are fantastic.
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SRX 700/800 series have always been the 'serious amateur/pro-sumer" product line that could be called entry-level professional.
In the "best of...." stuff it's all about who's buying advertising in the publications and which brands are currently most profitable for the retailers. As we've discussed here many times, it's the listening.... the audition... of a speaker system in real-world use that tells us what we need to know.
The reality of professional and pro-sumer audio retailing is such that for many potential buyers it isn't possible to hear these products in realistic situations before making purchase decisions, hence the reliance on reviews (possibly fictitious, always possibly a fishing story) and so-called awards.
Caveat emptor.
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SRX 700/800 series have always been the 'serious amateur/pro-sumer" product line that could be called entry-level professional.
In the "best of...." stuff it's all about who's buying advertising in the publications and which brands are currently most profitable for the retailers. As we've discussed here many times, it's the listening.... the audition... of a speaker system in real-world use that tells us what we need to know.
The reality of professional and pro-sumer audio retailing is such that for many potential buyers it isn't possible to hear these products in realistic situations before making purchase decisions, hence the reliance on reviews (possibly fictitious, always possibly a fishing story) and so-called awards.
Caveat emptor.
Industry awards are useless. If you look close they always say non-editorial advertiser content. Best in show, etc. These are what insiders call "pay to play award".
To my knowledge there are no independent audio product awards (or IT products).
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To my knowledge there are no independent audio product awards (or IT products).
I think "PSW Approved" badges would be good. It'd seriously sway my opinion about buying Product A vs Product B.
Chris
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I think "PSW Approved" badges would be good. It'd seriously sway my opinion about buying Product A vs Product B.
Chris
PSW and the print publication LSI receive demo gear but I believe the reviews are as unbiased as a magazine that needs advert revenue to survive can be.
I have jokingly called Craig "I never wrote a bad review" Leerman purely out of humor and would love to see him start a review with "this product is so poorly executed I can't recommend it to anyone except my competitors, :-)
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Wow, thank you guys for all of your input on the SRX800 series. I've been very proud of mine ever since I bought them, but lots of people look askance at JBL these days in favor of the seemingly more popular QSC.
I'm talking strictly on the MI level now. Most working bands and musicians I know have no idea about RCF or any of the other Pro-level brands out there.
It makes sense that JBL is not faring as well these days since nobody is reviewing these speakers on the big websites (musiciansfriend.com, Sweetwater, B&H, Amazon, etc...).
Google 'best powered PA speakers 2017 or 2018' and watch how QSC, Yamaha, and even Mackie of all brands garner all the attention and support.
Part of it is the fact that JBL's low end stuff is just garbage, and that people talk trash about the PRX line.
Most folks have no idea how good the SRX line is. Sure, it's pricey. But it's worth it! My SRX815Ps are fantastic.
Thanks, since I'm taking the plunge. Wondering if it would make more sense to get the 828s w/ 15s insread of 818s that way could build on with 835s down the road? Sure I could fit 2 828s in most venues, if not then just go with my current prx 618s in the smaller rooms.
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Bob,
Since you mentioned weight and portability as concerns, I think it's worth reiterating that the 812 is already big box- about the size of a typical 15" two way speaker. In fact, it's very close in size to the PRX615 that you currently own, and 12 lbs heavier. The 815 is about 2" larger in every dimension... it's a BIG, HEAVY box!
I'm an able bodied 34 year old, yet the 55 pound 812 is about as much weight as I wan't to be lifting onto a stand without help (although I occasionally have to heave 100 lb 2x VT4886 + bracket arrays onto stands solo- pretty sure each instance takes a few years off of my life).
Also, going to go against the grain and say going from PRX 615's over 618's to SRX 812's over 818's would be a negligible upgrade (especially if you have 618XLF's). It will sound better and get a bit louder, but I'd bet you wouldn't find the difference to be night and day. 835's over 828's would be the optimal upgrade path if you can manage the size and weight... especially if you can afford to keep your current system for the smaller jobs.
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I love the idea of the 828, but the size/weight is a deal breaker for me. Such a shame too, since the price is right.
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I love the idea of the 828, but the size/weight is a deal breaker for me. Such a shame too, since the price is right.
Size is an issue if you can't store it, move it, transport it or use it at the gig. Ditto for weight.
That said, the SRX828 isn't a behemoth - it's well balanced and frankly is light weight for what it is (look at RCF if you want to build a fine hernia...). I've over 60 and move and deploy them by myself.
Putting top boxes on stands or poles is another matter...
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Also, going to go against the grain and say going from PRX 615's over 618's to SRX 812's over 818's would be a negligible upgrade (especially if you have 618XLF's). It will sound better and get a bit louder, but I'd bet you wouldn't find the difference to be night and day. 835's over 828's would be the optimal upgrade path if you can manage the size and weight... especially if you can afford to keep your current system for the smaller jobs.
I don't agree with this statement - I have owned PRX612's and currently own PRX712's and PRX718xlf's. The SRX812's and SRX818/828 combo is not negligibly better - it is very noticeably better.
BTW - the SRX812 is 58lbs and yes quite a monster for a 12" single speaker plus horn box.
I'd still not dismiss the Yamaha DSR112 though - really. (especially at 46lbs)
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I'd still not dismiss the Yamaha DSR112 though - really. (especially at 46lbs)
Or possibly Yamaha's new DZR12, if the OP can wait to hear them. Real wood enclosure, considerably more control (HPF, EQ, etc.) over the DSR, 2 side handles, 47 lbs., 139dB peak SPL, and cheaper than the SRX812p.
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I don't agree with this statement - I have owned PRX612's and currently own PRX712's and PRX718xlf's. The SRX812's and SRX818/828 combo is not negligibly better - it is very noticeably better.
I respect your differing opinion. I have a pretty good amount of experience with both product lines as well.
I suppose what I was trying to say (but didn't quite articulate) is that sound quality aside, if he's running out of gas (his main problem) with his current PRX setup, upgrading to SRX 800 boxes with similar driver displacements will likely not yeild a substantial enough increase in overall headroom/SPL to justify the 3-4k investment, IMO.
If he can manage the 828's and 835's...he'll be onto something. Or perhaps and entirely different box or manufacturer.
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While the specs may suggest similar performance results, I would place a strong bet on the SRX-812 et all at outperforming any of its lower level counterparts. I have owned the first gen PRX 500 series stuff for many years and never really found the limit of the 512M tops ( the subs a different story ) and they have a lower spec than all the aforementioned models. The only point being, that with what I know these modern units can do, there shouldn't be a problem doing a show that they are properly spec'd for.
I say it pretty often, but just about any speaker that can actually produce a 133-135db peak, should be able to produce enough volume to do any show with pretty good results; within reason. No, you will not fill a stadium with a pair of SRX tops and a pair of subs, but anything within 50' of the stage should get the point pretty well with a setup like that. You could even expect to do quite well in an outdoor situation with a PA that can do that. Again you are not going to have 105db pounding you in the chest at 100-200' away, but anything within 50' will get the point. This assumes your typical stage of 20' - 30' wide and an average listening area 50' wide by 50' - 100' deep. This is enough space to hold a thousand people no problem. That's roughly a 5,000 sq. foot area. Even with 3sq. ft. per person, that is 1,666 people that can be in that space. If the PA was set up correctly to deal with that space and number of people, each person should be able to be subjected to roughly 90db at the far reaches. This is not going to be a rock show at the far reaches, but it will be heard.
Assuming that the average Joe who owns a model line that is not synonymous with PRO / Touring level gear will only be getting smaller gigs, they should have little trouble doing the job. If you are running out of gas, you didn't follow the rules and someone paid you to bring a rig that wasn't big enough. This is a sign that you are either doing something wrong, or you need to stop taking gigs like that until you do have a rig that can handle the needs. This is mostly a matter of math. Take your peak potential, reduce it by 16db and then reduce again for distance to the furthest point of interest. Most small-scale PA systems capable of 135db peak should produce right around 90db at 100', possibly more ( there is a couple few db in the bank ) and if you need significantly more than that, then you need to come up with another plan.
Getting back on track, the SRX model line is no slouch and I know it will produce more SPL than the lower counterparts in reality. While it should not be a goal to run your system to its limit, if you are in a close quarters event and you are seeing red lights, something else needs to be addressed; this is considering the peak potential of most of these modern PA's. Most are easily capable of producing real-world outputs of close to 120db. Granted that is the "1-meter " rating, but that is really loud and people closer to the PA will be slammed with unreasonable amounts of SPL. This brings us to either user issues, or not designing and deploying your system correctly. In either case, the SRX line will achieve higher levels, but not by such an amount that it will abate the initial problem. 3db has never made or broken a show. While I suspect there is roughly 3db more usable potential in the higher end product lines, this does not take a system from unable to able.
If you truly need a PA capable of 105db at 100', you would need a PA that is capable of about 143-150db peak ( negating some safety margins at 143db ). This will only come with higher-end systems and even they would be run close to their limits. If you're going to play in the deep end of the pond, you have to spend LOTS O MONIES.
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Thanks again everyone. My objective was to minimize weight of system, however I definitely don't want to sacrifice quality. I also use system within there specifications. For larger gigs I generally use my srx 700s and small to medium the prx. The event I was referring to that prx seem to run out of gas, I suspected it might. It was an outside event and right at the max coverage of my prx system but still did fine. Anything larger then I bring the 700s. Was hoping based on others experience I might be able to get a bit more out of 800s or similar before having to pull out 728s /725s. But if moving to the 800 or DRZs would be minimal, then I understand.
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To be clear, the SRX-800 series will perform just as good as if not better than the 700 series stuff. The issue is that getting the 800 series would be essentially a lateral move for you. So either you replace the 700 series stuff because of absolute need, or simply spend the income to simply have newer units.
Now if the Yamaha DZR series does turn out to be what it says it is, that might be the next logical step up? 139db peak out of a 12" speaker is unheard of in the Pro-Sumer / entry level pro market. It sounds as if Yamaha is basically trying to make a market segment killer that leaves no dispute for which speaker takes the cake. FIR filtering, DSP control, Dante, a 3 way fully horn loaded design and a 10" design that beats most 12" models currently available. If this turns out to be true, that's a HUGE step forward.
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To be clear, the SRX-800 series will perform just as good as if not better than the 700 series stuff. The issue is that getting the 800 series would be essentially a lateral move for you. So either you replace the 700 series stuff because of absolute need, or simply spend the income to simply have newer units.
Now if the Yamaha DZR series does turn out to be what it says it is, that might be the next logical step up? 139db peak out of a 12" speaker is unheard of in the Pro-Sumer / entry level pro market. It sounds as if Yamaha is basically trying to make a market segment killer that leaves no dispute for which speaker takes the cake. FIR filtering, DSP control, Dante, a 3 way fully horn loaded design and a 10" design that beats most 12" models currently available. If this turns out to be true, that's a HUGE step forward.
What Luke said!... The SRX800 series is definitely a step up from PRX but not so much from your existing SRX700. I used to own SRX700 series PA and went to SRX800 self powered for reasons other than sound improvement.
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To be clear, the SRX-800 series will perform just as good as if not better than the 700 series stuff. The issue is that getting the 800 series would be essentially a lateral move for you. So either you replace the 700 series stuff because of absolute need, or simply spend the income to simply have newer units.
Now if the Yamaha DZR series does turn out to be what it says it is, that might be the next logical step up? 139db peak out of a 12" speaker is unheard of in the Pro-Sumer / entry level pro market. It sounds as if Yamaha is basically trying to make a market segment killer that leaves no dispute for which speaker takes the cake. FIR filtering, DSP control, Dante, a 3 way fully horn loaded design and a 10" design that beats most 12" models currently available. If this turns out to be true, that's a HUGE step forward.
I use the 728s and 725s. My objective was to replace the prx with possibly 815s and 818 while keeping 700s for larger events. Was a brief thought to possibly do 828 instead but not right now. Maybe I'll hold off until DRZ is released
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I use the 728s and 725s. My objective was to replace the prx with possibly 815s and 818 while keeping 700s for larger events. Was a brief thought to possibly do 828 instead but not right now. Maybe I'll hold off until DRZ is released
That sort of changes things. If you already own appropriately amp'd and processed SRX 725's and 728's...then you really don't have an actual problem. If the PRX system isn't enough rig for the gig, just dust of the SRX700.
Don't get me wrong, if you're jonesing to upgrade the PRX, the SRX 800 powered stuff will definitely be an upgrade. Just don't expect it to be twice as loud or anything like that.
I should say I really like SRX800- think I have 18 or so various boxes.
Let us know how you sort out!
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I will take properly powered and processed SRX 700 over 800 any day. I sold off all my SRX 800 because they just couldn’t cut it like the 700 series.
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I use the 728s and 725s. My objective was to replace the prx with possibly 815s and 818 while keeping 700s for larger events. Was a brief thought to possibly do 828 instead but not right now. Maybe I'll hold off until DRZ is released
Unless you really really need to upgrade fast, I would definitely wait until the new Yamaha line is out.
As you are aware, the DSR112 is well regarded here (and pretty much everywhere). The new line looks to be a replacement of the DSR entire line. I suspect that the DXR line will continue to compete with the PRX level while the DZR line will take a whack at the SRX line.
On paper, the new DZR's will be noticeably more capable than the best of the DSR line. This is really only notable because at the current paper specification, the DSR112 really out performs every other 12" top in its price bracket and comes to a tie with the more expensive SRX812. Note, that really only the DSR112 and DSR115 ever really got much traction. The sub lines were underpowered compared to the KW181 and PRX818p (and its earlier cousins). Yamaha did release a new sub line after the DSR118, but it never really got much love since the 18" version was released later. The 18" version was well reviewed and a few even gave up their PRX subs to move to them. The new sub lines look to be much improved and in the same vane as the last 18" release.
The SRX7XX line properly powered and processed will likely out-perform the SRX8XX line IME. It is clunkier for sure. I don't miss my amp rack one little bit when setting up and breaking down ;) The long heavy 12ga sub speaker cables are also not missed.
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It is clunkier for sure. I don't miss my amp rack one little bit when setting up and breaking down ;) The long heavy 12ga sub speaker cables are also not missed.
Agreed!....When I mentioned earlier that I moved to SRX800 series from SRX700 series for reasons other than sound improvement - THESE 2 reasons were definitely at the top of my list.
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Agreed!....When I mentioned earlier that I moved to SRX800 series from SRX700 series for reasons other than sound improvement - THESE 2 reasons were definitely at the top of my list.
I will say the best solution to moving heavy gear is to have someone(s) with you to help move it.
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I will say the best solution to moving heavy gear is to have someone(s) with you to help move it.
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Yep!
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I will say the best solution to moving heavy gear is to have someone(s) with you to help move it.
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It is of course but it was also one more heavy item in the van to find room for and move around - and then the extra time spent in coiling python sized speakon cables. It's not the end of the world I know, but worthy of mention in favor of powered boxes.
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B Stock SRX:
http://www.proaudiostar.com/jbl-srx812p.html
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Unless you really really need to upgrade fast, I would definitely wait until the new Yamaha line is out.
As you are aware, the DSR112 is well regarded here (and pretty much everywhere). The new line looks to be a replacement of the DSR entire line. I suspect that the DXR line will continue to compete with the PRX level while the DZR line will take a whack at the SRX line.
My understanding from a reliable source is the DZR is not replacing the DSR line, but will be the new flagship model.
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B Stock SRX:
http://www.proaudiostar.com/jbl-srx812p.html
Thanks! Have you purchased b stock from them before? Any issues?
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Thanks! Have you purchased b stock from them before? Any issues?
No - sorry, but other members have purchased from ProaudioStar. Maybe they'll chime in?
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Pro Audio Star generally has good service and pricing. No complaints with them from our shop.
As to B stock - usually these are rep demos, trade show displays, sometimes customer returns (not as often). If you're curious you should ask them.
Sometimes I see ebay listings where I'm certain the product was brand new and the B stock designation was to get around the MAPP.
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Sometimes I see ebay listings where I'm certain the product was brand new and the B stock designation was to get around the MAPP.
This has happened to me more than once with Pro Audio Star and Unique Squared. They do it all the time to my great satisfaction !!!
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Yes! Alto Music is another one. I purchased a skb mic box recently marked as used both on Pro Audio Stars site and their eBay page. When it came there was nothing used about it. Pretty sure it was brand new.
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Looks like I'm going to go with the srx 812s over 15s, great deal. Can use foh and some monitor duty. Toss up between 828s and 818s but may deal with weight and run with 828s. Did consider adding few more rcf nx 12s and using for for instead of 812s, since I already have a few in inventory. Mainly use for monitors.
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Thanks! Have you purchased b stock from them before? Any issues?
I bought a couple of srx815’s and prx 812’s and had to send back all but one - price was right for b-stock but be prepared to send back - it took a while but I eventually got a- stock replacements
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I bought a couple of srx815’s and prx 812’s and had to send back all but one - price was right for b-stock but be prepared to send back - it took a while but I eventually got a- stock replacements
What type of issue did it have?
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Picked up srx 812s great deal. Have chance to also grab some 828s. Used to passive with 700 series. Ones that used 828s, any quality difference heard between the passive and active? Thanks
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Picked up srx 812s great deal. Have chance to also grab some 828s. Used to passive with 700 series. Ones that used 828s, any quality difference heard between the passive and active? Thanks
Depends on what you mean by "quality." They are different speakers and sound different.
To me the SRX728 sounds a little wobbly around 58Hz. Wobbly... it's a scientific term, I'm sure of it! Peaky and defying simple EQ correction...
The SRX828sp doesn't have that and sounds like it goes lower. Drummers have preferred the 828sp over 728 when we use it as part of their monitor rig (under a wedge or to supplement IEM).
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On the srx815’s - one that was sent was passive and the other had 812 programming- one of the prx‘s wouldn’t pas audio - they replaced them but it took about a month and a half
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On the srx815’s - one that was sent was passive and the other had 812 programming- one of the prx‘s wouldn’t pas audio - they replaced them but it took about a month and a half
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Thanks, I purchased b stock but they offered to send new for $20 more. Did asked they offered. Was delivered in less then 24 hours. So far pretty impressed with their customer service.