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A local venue just installed an Omega speaker system. It's 3 flown boxes per side plus 6 dual 18 subs all ITech HD power. They appear to be more of a "constant curvature" array rather than a true line array. I can't find any info on these at all. Anybody know much about these?
I wasn't very impressed with the sound. Not very good clarity. Vocals were unintelligible. Subs were only fair. Could have been operator error though. One of the top boxes had a rattle as if something was either loose or blown.
Can you link me to a website?
Thanks
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Considering they are in a tin building and not aimed at the crowd the lack of intelligibility seems normal.
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Considering they are in a tin building and not aimed at the crowd the lack of intelligibility seems normal.
Yep, the building has a lot to do with it. But I walked and listened all over. Standing right in front of the speakers still wasn't very good.
I have heard other systems in there that sounded really good, even with all the metal. So I know it "can" sound good in this venue.
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A local venue just installed an Omega speaker system. It's 3 flown boxes per side plus 6 dual 18 subs all ITech HD power. They appear to be more of a "constant curvature" array rather than a true line array. I can't find any info on these at all. Anybody know much about these?
I wasn't very impressed with the sound. Not very good clarity. Vocals were unintelligible. Subs were only fair. Could have been operator error though. One of the top boxes had a rattle as if something was either loose or blown.
Can you link me to a website?
Thanks
Omega is by Miller Pro Audio in Oklahoma City.
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They have lots of nifty ;) photos of the line array systems but hardly *any* specifications at all.
Their "point source" systems have frequency response graphs but no qualification on how the measurements were made.
So ..... you're trying to compete in a very crowded market and you do not provide:
impedance
driver compliment
crossover info
sensitivity
power handling
max SPL
phase response
polars
etc
BTW, the website is: http://omegaaudio.com/
Read the "About" page and you'll be amazed at their design, manufacturing and marketing concepts ::)
Call me an old, cynical fart but the frequency response graphs for the P6 (ribbon driver) and P8m (compression driver) look way too alike to me.
Between the above and your own observations ........ seems like a a crock 'o bullshit to me.
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I have heard the 8m monitor in use, but had no opportunity to compare it directly with other compact monitors. The 8m were used for vocal wedges in "red dirt country" shows. The artists did not seem to have issues with them, and I didn't hear anything in the house or from stage right that made me question the wedges. That's not an endorsement, but certainly not an indictment, either.
Not heard their other products. I should probably call Danny Miller and take run down I-35 for a listen.
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They have lots of nifty ;) photos of the line array systems but hardly *any* specifications at all.
Their "point source" systems have frequency response graphs but no qualification on how the measurements were made.
So ..... you're trying to compete in a very crowded market and you do not provide:
impedance
driver compliment
crossover info
sensitivity
power handling
max SPL
phase response
polars
etc
BTW, the website is: http://omegaaudio.com/ (http://omegaaudio.com/)
Read the "About" page and you'll be amazed at their design, manufacturing and marketing concepts ::)
Call me an old, cynical fart but the frequency response graphs for the P6 (ribbon driver) and P8m (compression driver) look way too alike to me.
Between the above and your own observations ........ seems like a a crock 'o bullshit to me.
All I got from the bullshit was;
1. They use birch plywood.
2. They have a very high opinion of themselves.
3. They are a consortium of people making speakers for themselves to sell as a package of unknown quality and components. No specs, no info on processing, no info on their DSP that you have to use, only recommended amplifier sizes.
Pig in a poke and I'll bet the pig speaks chinese.
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I like that if you click on the "Support" tab on their web site you get a page with the word "support" and that is it. I guess you can't argue that they offered support but it's probably not going to be of much help to anyone.
It would be interesting to see some real specs and data from a qualified independent party like ETC (Pat Brown) or NWAA (Ron Sauro). Some manuals or product data that went into a bit more detail about the rigging and application would also be nice. But I get the impression the web site may not be about trying to market or sell the speakers as much as it is to try to legitimize the brand to potential clients of their associated companies.
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I spoke with Danny Miller about his monitor the 12u (i think) in 2009 and had planned to go demo some of the units but it fell through on my end. I would really like to see some real specs and hear some first hand knowledge on his units.
Ben
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Jamin, It's worlds better than what WAS in there and you know it!
Omega is MPA's house brand. They have managed to put some leased rigs in a few select venue's around the south but mostly they are used for their own purposes.
I think that I've used all of the Omega stuff except for that line array there, but I have a new job which will bring me in close contact with that beast fairly soon I'm sure. ;)
The standard front-loaded boxes they have are halfway decent. The 112 top and 118 sub use Eminence drivers last I heard and had a pretty good passive crossover. I've used them for sidefills several times and as a FOH PA at south-by.
The P8 (or whatever they call the 8" monitor) is a good little box. It's a B&C woofer and the PSD2002 CD. The 112 monitors are good too. I have used the 212 monitor a couple times and they were horrible. Although I think they might be fixable with DSP. They fed back at 2k no matter what you did. Any mic, any position, any time, it was all 2k. The weird thing is that they sounded pretty decent just running music through them, So it's not really a freq response thing. Probably a crossover weirdness happening.
I was led to believe that the 212 monitor has a coax 12"+1" combined with a bandpass loaded 12" driver inside the cab. They had some serious kick and would make a great rock wedge if they figure out the 2k thing. We used them for Slayer and they had plenty of volume for those guys.
The new line array things are pretty basic. They use (I think) B&C horn drivers on regular LA horn adaptors. The LF section are 8" woofers. Hence the V28 and V48 designations. There are some cool features on the boxes but they are mostly geared towards easy truck pack and flying more than actual science and math.
*edit* One more thing I hated about the 212 monitor is that it has no mirror image pairs. The horn is right hand only.
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Jamin, It's worlds better than what WAS in there and you know it!
Omega is MPA's house brand. They have managed to put some leased rigs in a few select venue's around the south but mostly they are used for their own purposes.
I think that I've used all of the Omega stuff except for that line array there, but I have a new job which will bring me in close contact with that beast fairly soon I'm sure. ;)
The standard front-loaded boxes they have are halfway decent. The 112 top and 118 sub use Eminence drivers last I heard and had a pretty good passive crossover. I've used them for sidefills several times and as a FOH PA at south-by.
The P8 (or whatever they call the 8" monitor) is a good little box. It's a B&C woofer and the PSD2002 CD. The 112 monitors are good too. I have used the 212 monitor a couple times and they were horrible. Although I think they might be fixable with DSP. They fed back at 2k no matter what you did. Any mic, any position, any time, it was all 2k. The weird thing is that they sounded pretty decent just running music through them, So it's not really a freq response thing. Probably a crossover weirdness happening.
I was led to believe that the 212 monitor has a coax 12"+1" combined with a bandpass loaded 12" driver inside the cab. They had some serious kick and would make a great rock wedge if they figure out the 2k thing. We used them for Slayer and they had plenty of volume for those guys.
The new line array things are pretty basic. They use (I think) B&C horn drivers on regular LA horn adaptors. The LF section are 8" woofers. Hence the V28 and V48 designations. There are some cool features on the boxes but they are mostly geared towards easy truck pack and flying more than actual science and math.
*edit* One more thing I hated about the 212 monitor is that it has no mirror image pairs. The horn is right hand only.
Hey Tim,
Yep, you know the venue. It is better than what was in there. But from all the hype that's been put out about this new system , I was expecting better than what I heard. Believe or not, it's really not much better.
FYI, old system: 4-SRX725 per side, 4-SRX728 per side plus a couple of Vegas. Various bridged amps. Mostly low quality amps.
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Nice cabinet shop, great marketing (but very shallow), and very little technical info.
Why do people think they can use the same components that everyone else does, put them in pretty boxes, and somehow they have done something that no one else can? A small box with an Eminence 18" in it is (how show I say this?) ho-hum at best. Since all the goobledygook is not accompanied by any drawings of the actual mid/high boxes, it's anyone's guess what is actually going on there. Might work great......
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Nice cabinet shop, great marketing (but very shallow), and very little technical info.
Why do people think they can use the same components that everyone else does, put them in pretty boxes, and somehow they have done something that no one else can? A small box with an Eminence 18" in it is (how show I say this?) ho-hum at best. Since all the goobledygook is not accompanied by any drawings of the actual mid/high boxes, it's anyone's guess what is actually going on there. Might work great......
The 8" is the only product I've heard (to my knowledge), it didn't suck when I heard it (but I wasn't the monitor guy, so I don't know what it took to get what I heard). Having heard the 8", I'm not inclined to reject their other products out of hand.
I, too, would be interested in seeing some measurement data...
Perhaps an alternate question - "Is it better than Soundbridge Xion?"
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Tim, I worked with some Soundbridge products at a local club. Not the Xion stuff, but the cheaper simpler stuff. Full-range boxes were OK if not pushed real hard, subs were unusable. Quality of cabinetry was excellent, and they at least make their own horns, but still nothing to get excited about. Have no idea if it is/was cost-effective, as I only installed it after it was purchased.