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Title: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Richard Penrose on July 25, 2021, 04:29:40 AM
Hi,

I am looking to buy a handheld wireless mic for both speech and singing and am looking for some suggestions.
My budget is around £200 and Iím not sure what frequency band would be best. From my understanding 863-865mhz is the legal UK frequency but there is also 2.4ghz and 5ghz? What would be the best choice for avoiding interference etc?
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Chris Hindle on July 25, 2021, 04:40:38 AM
Hi,

I am looking to buy a handheld wireless mic for both speech and singing and am looking for some suggestions.
My budget is around £200 and Iím not sure what frequency band would be best. From my understanding 863-865mhz is the legal UK frequency but there is also 2.4ghz and 5ghz? What would be the best choice for avoiding interference etc?

200 pounds?
I'd get a '58 and 150 feet of XLR.
Seriously.
Chris.
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Richard Penrose on July 25, 2021, 06:38:13 AM
200 pounds?
I'd get a '58 and 150 feet of XLR.
Seriously.
Chris.

Ok so what should I be spending to get a reasonable wireless mic?
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: JohnPinchin on July 25, 2021, 07:14:12 AM
I recently switched over the new sennheiser ew-d mics and so far (4 shows) have been super impressed,  but if you prefer shure then the slxd range looks great as well.    You're looking at somewhere around £550 depending which mic capsule you want.   
For around £200 or  little more you'll probably find lots of used shure slx and sennheiser G3 and maybe G4.   Personally I'd prefer the G3/4 but I regularly still see people using the slx systems.

I would avoid the 2.4GHz systems like the shure glxd,  with bigger crowds I found them to struggle but small sub100 people gigs you might be ok.
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Richard Penrose on July 25, 2021, 10:55:24 AM
Thanks John. I will be in audiences up to around 350-400. What would be better for this?
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Bob Stone on July 25, 2021, 11:00:01 AM
I've had ok luck with Shure BLX at the very bottom end of things with a SM58 capsule. Not the best, but agreed on avoiding the 2.4ghz spectrum with the GLX-D.
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Chris Grimshaw on July 25, 2021, 01:15:07 PM
I'd avoid the 2.4GHz stuff full stop. I've had those wireless systems prevent my iPads from talking to the router (Airport express) further than a few feet away. Swapped the singer's wireless mic for a cabled one, and the network worked perfectly again.


I went through a similar search a while ago, and came out with a Sennheiser G4 EW100 unit with an e935 capsule. I particularly wanted that capsule because the rest of my vocal mics are e935s and I really like them - the average punter with zero mic technique can get usable results: had one where they folded their arms while holding the mic, putting the capsule at their shoulder pointing upwards. I didn't need the GBF anyway, but it still sounded decent.

It looks like the prices have gone up since I bought mine, but it's paid itself off. It's all profit now.

Chris
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Joris Jans2 on July 25, 2021, 04:25:34 PM
the minimum you'll want is a EW100-G4, which goes for about 500. https://www.bax-shop.co.uk/wireless-handheld-microphones/sennheiser-ew-100-g4-835-s-e-handheld-wireless-system-821-865-mhz

on the shure camp minimum is a QLXD which goes for about double that price: https://www.bax-shop.co.uk/wireless-handheld-microphones/shure-qlxd24-beta-58a-s50-823-832-and-863-865-mhz-handheld
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Caleb Dueck on July 25, 2021, 04:30:52 PM
Thanks John. I will be in audiences up to around 350-400. What would be better for this?

Bare minimum, as John said if going new - Sennheiser EW-D or Shure SLX-D. 
If going used - Sennheiser EW100 G3 or G4, or maybe JTS UF-20 (new).  Not a fan of cheap analog Shure. 

Anything cheaper than that - go hard wired. 
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Brian Jojade on July 27, 2021, 01:13:56 PM
It has been true forever.  Even the absolute very best wireless system on the market isn't as good as a $30 cable.

 Two issues you have to worry about are RF range and sound quality.  Cheap wireless stuff SUCKS, especially so in the analog versions. Dynamic range can be horrid, and noise floors unbearable.  The companding that gets done to the signal makes mics barely usable for speech.  Not something you want for singing at any level.

The function of RF is important too.  Knowing the range that you really need the system to work is very important.  Most wireless mic systems will advertise a working range of 300 feet, line of sight.  Anyone that's worked with wireless mics will tell you that there's no chance in hell that most mics will be reliable at that sort of range.

The cheap stuff I'd plan for 50 feet outdoors, tops.  That can be fine if you put the receivers on stage near the performers.  Eg, a wireless guitar system may only need 10 feet of range to be effective, so there are times that short range can be fine.  But, if you suddenly want to put the receivers at FOH, it's likely going to cause you issue.

Many mics now have switched to digital transmission.  While this eliminates some of the issues with sound quality, especially with lower end mics, it isn't without issue.  First off, digital mics add latency. All of them.  Now, most of them add only a very little amount and it goes unnoticed.  However, for some particular listeners, the latency of the mic, combined with the latency of the digital mixer, combined with the latency of the processor, etc can become an issue.  It's more pronounced with singers that use IEMs.  Secondly, like with any digital signal, making sure you don't clip the signal -EVER- is pretty important.  While with analog, clipping a signal often just resulted in distortion that gradually got worse, clipping a digital signal isn't pretty, even if it's just an itty bit.  Setting an appropriate gain level on the transmitter is key.  I've found that cheaper mics often eliminate the ability to set gain on the transmitter where you need it to be. That can be a problem, especially when using the mic in loud situations.

Definitely, and without question, AVOID 2.4ghz mics.  The problem with them is that while you may be able to test them in practice, at your event, pretty much EVERY guest in attendance is bringing a device in ther pocket that potentially can disrupt the show.  No, it won't happen every time.  But when it does, it's not going to be fun.  Personally, I've seen the problems with 2.4ghz mics happen more often at corporate events.  It's easy to explain, because there are more people there that pull out their laptops and connect to their hotspots via WIFI, saturating the space. Once saturated, the mic can't work properly.

So, back to the original question on budget.  If you don't have a budget of at LEAST $500 per channel, don't consider wireless.  Doing so is a waste of time and money.  The guy that spent $35 on a cable will have much better sound than you.
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on July 27, 2021, 01:51:05 PM
I have owned a few wireless mics - I used to have an Audix OM6 capsule Rad 360 system which was nice but in the now banned frequency band. The one I own now is a cheapy just so I have a wireless mic in my inventory .... it is a BLX beta 58 and I have to say in my experience it is pretty decent regarding sound quality, noise , drop-out etc. The main down side is the plastic body to the mic - it wouldn't take a drop well at all. I have a couple of friends who sing and use the SLX version of my mic and I have mixed them with decent results.
My favorite thing right now is having our singer use a Sennheiser E838 or E935 with an attached wireless transmitter. It is working GREAT.
It looks just like this one:                link  (https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Microphone-Transmitter-Receiver-Rechargeable/dp/B08HYM8HZQ/ref=asc_df_B08HYM8HZQ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=459729661612&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17795831724181256255&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9009677&hvtargid=pla-985897585189&psc=1)

I am unsure how far you could get from the receiver but no drop out yet - our singer has been up to 40ft from the receiver
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Richard Penrose on July 27, 2021, 04:41:54 PM
I have owned a few wireless mics - I used to have an Audix OM6 capsule Rad 360 system which was nice but in the now banned frequency band. The one I own now is a cheapy just so I have a wireless mic in my inventory .... it is a BLX beta 58 and I have to say in my experience it is pretty decent regarding sound quality, noise , drop-out etc. The main down side is the plastic body to the mic - it wouldn't take a drop well at all. I have a couple of friends who sing and use the SLX version of my mic and I have mixed them with decent results.
My favorite thing right now is having our singer use a Sennheiser E838 or E935 with an attached wireless transmitter. It is working GREAT.
It looks just like this one:                link  (https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Microphone-Transmitter-Receiver-Rechargeable/dp/B08HYM8HZQ/ref=asc_df_B08HYM8HZQ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=459729661612&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17795831724181256255&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9009677&hvtargid=pla-985897585189&psc=1)

I am unsure how far you could get from the receiver but no drop out yet - our singer has been up to 40ft from the receiver

Thanks Debbie. This looks very appealing!! I have a bunch of e838ís and e945ís which would work great if this system proves to be reliable without degrading the audio quality a lot?
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Mike Caldwell on July 27, 2021, 07:56:58 PM
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I went through a similar search a while ago, and came out with a Sennheiser G4 EW100 unit with an e935 capsule. I particularly wanted that capsule because the rest of my vocal mics are e935s and I really like them - the average punter with zero mic technique can get usable results: had one where they folded their arms while holding the mic, putting the capsule at their shoulder pointing upwards. I didn't need the GBF anyway, but it still sounded decent.


Chris

I can take that mic "technique" one step further where the guy crossed his arms and put the mic
under his arm pit, like three times during the presentation!

Find me a wireless mic that will work there and I'm a buyer.

Just to add, they would not use a lapel or headset.
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Russell Ault on July 27, 2021, 08:00:21 PM
I can take that mic "technique" one step further where the guy crossed his arms and put the mic
under his arm pit, like three times during the presentation!

Find me a wireless mic that will work there and I'm a buyer.

Just to add, they would not use a lapel or headset.

PCC-160?

-Russ
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Mike Caldwell on July 27, 2021, 08:23:25 PM
PCC-160?

-Russ

Not a chance in the room we were in.
But then again any mic not under an arm pit would have been better!
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on July 27, 2021, 08:53:08 PM
Thanks Debbie. This looks very appealing!! I have a bunch of e838ís and e945ís which would work great if this system proves to be reliable without degrading the audio quality a lot?
I did a side by side and could not tell the difference. The mics we use all sound just like they would with cables.

I have 2 sets and I charge both and take both with me - one as back up. I wasn't sure I'd get a full show out of a set especially as I can't guarantee the singer will turn off the TX/RX during breaks and although she always forgets, they have lasted a full 4 hour show. With that said, the battery life is the downside to this particular solution.
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Richard Penrose on July 28, 2021, 03:44:29 AM
I did a side by side and could not tell the difference. The mics we use all sound just like they would with cables.

I have 2 sets and I charge both and take both with me - one as back up. I wasn't sure I'd get a full show out of a set especially as I can't guarantee the singer will turn off the TX/RX during breaks and although she always forgets, they have lasted a full 4 hour show. With that said, the battery life is the downside to this particular solution.

Thanks again Debbie. Iíve been looking up this product online and there are several users saying these add noticeable hiss to the sound!? Also, they say that if direct line of sight gets blocked by someone standing between the tx and rx there sound drops out?
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Richard Penrose on July 28, 2021, 03:55:15 AM
What are peopleís thoughts on the EV RE3 systems? Whilst I know these cost around £500 I am considering investing a little more in getting something that is decent.
The ProSoundWeb review seems very positive and I really like the fact that the mic body is metal and has switchable heads!
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on July 28, 2021, 09:58:40 AM
Thanks again Debbie. Iíve been looking up this product online and there are several users saying these add noticeable hiss to the sound!? Also, they say that if direct line of sight gets blocked by someone standing between the tx and rx there sound drops out?
Not my experience at all. My exact brand is JOYO  - link (https://reverb.com/item/38645476-joyo-mw-1-wireless-microphone-system?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=12293041885&utm_content=campaignid=12293041885_adgroupid=114838722382_productpartitionid=1171193779570=merchantid=193737595_productid=38645476_keyword=_device=c_adposition=_matchtype=_creative=497393978297&gclid=CjwKCAjwgISIBhBfEiwALE19SX_5xeEk3uyp7Z8k3POr5IiTUqYDMczzRaqIbfrPzWScoL5UmQA3hBoCkBIQAvD_BwE)
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on July 28, 2021, 10:04:22 AM
What are peopleís thoughts on the EV RE3 systems? Whilst I know these cost around £500 I am considering investing a little more in getting something that is decent.
The ProSoundWeb review seems very positive and I really like the fact that the mic body is metal and has switchable heads!

I have 4 wired versions of the older N/D 767 which I like a lot so I would guess the same of the wireless version with the updated capsule.
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Thomas Le on July 28, 2021, 10:18:43 AM
What are peopleís thoughts on the EV RE3 systems? Whilst I know these cost around £500 I am considering investing a little more in getting something that is decent.
The ProSoundWeb review seems very positive and I really like the fact that the mic body is metal and has switchable heads!

I personally never seen any EV wireless units where I'm at, it's either Shure or Sennheiser, then again I've never used any EV mics... For something cheaper, the Sennheiser EW100 G4 would be the pick since it looks like you have Sennheiser inventory. Or in the same price range but slightly more expensive is the Shure SLX-D. My personal rig is 4x EW100 G3 on ASA1 and it works great compared to the regular SLX units at the time I bought them. I'm a Shure house so I'm biased to have the itch to "upgrade" to the SLX-D if I can find justification to haha. The only complaint I have is the 835 heads it came with, to me it sounds "boxy" or too much emphasis on the low-mids and mids. Even when I do the eq cuts, it still doesn't sound "good". I could probably buy the 935 heads if it sounds that much better...
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Richard Penrose on July 28, 2021, 10:56:09 AM
I have 4 wired versions of the older N/D 767 which I like a lot so I would guess the same of the wireless version with the updated capsule.

Thanks. This is good to know  :) To be honest there's a wide variety in reviews of these units with a lot of people highly praising them. I've had a quick listen to the audio examples of this using a directly wired SM58 and SM58 with the wireless set and whilst I can hear some audio degradation and added hiss it doesn't sound as bad as some of the reviews stated!??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCgIhlSP6Oc&t=6s

I have 4 wired versions of the older N/D 767 which I like a lot so I would guess the same of the wireless version with the updated capsule.

I used to have two of the wired N/D 767's and one of the newer ND86 mics and agree they were really good sounding mics. The only reason why I sold them is I preferred the Telefunken M80's and their great bleed rejection. I also use the Sennheiser e945's and e838's a lot and sometimes the Audio Technica ATM710 condensers.

Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Brian Jojade on July 28, 2021, 11:21:21 AM
Thanks. This is good to know  :) To be honest there's a wide variety in reviews of these units with a lot of people highly praising them. I've had a quick listen to the audio examples of this using a directly wired SM58 and SM58 with the wireless set and whilst I can hear some audio degradation and added hiss it doesn't sound as bad as some of the reviews stated!??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCgIhlSP6Oc&t=6s


It can be REALLY hard to convey audio quality looking at a video.  For most people, if it passes audio, it's awesome.  But when you do real side by side comparisons, that's when you realize how bad that audio might be.

Example, the Shure SLX has been a pretty popular mic.  But, using it in a singing scenario, it sounds 'off'.  Swapping the mic with a wired SM58 makes a pretty dramatic difference.

Again, many people may not recognize that difference until they can experience it first hand.  I know I didn't.  The differences in many cases are quite subtle.
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Richard Penrose on July 28, 2021, 11:26:18 AM
I've just seen another review of the JoJo unit and it sounds much worse in this review!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZinXsrUof30
Title: Re: Wireless mic around £200?
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on July 28, 2021, 08:18:16 PM
I've just seen another review of the JoJo unit and it sounds much worse in this review!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZinXsrUof30

Not sure what to say except my experience has been very good. I have a couple of recordings from shows using each of my systems and they both sound clean. Maybe I was just lucky OR the folks complaining were just unlucky???