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Title: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on May 17, 2018, 03:20:19 PM
So normally I don't jump on these internet  sensations but this is messing with me. has anyone else listened to the sound bite?
The reason I bring it up here is because it is definitely relevant based on my findings...
I downloaded it to Logic Pro and messed around with it.  If I enhance around 500hz - 1k, I can hear Laurel but if not I hear Yanni.
What is extra weird is that if I enhance that frequency and then slowly bring it down to 0, I then hear a blend of the 2 an cannot hear Yanni alone until I walk away and leave it a while - then I hear Yanni again.... this is fun stuff...
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Dave Garoutte on May 17, 2018, 04:27:38 PM
So normally I don't jump on these internet  sensations but this is messing with me. has anyone else listened to the sound bite?
The reason I bring it up here is because it is definitely relevant based on my findings...
I downloaded it to Logic Pro and messed around with it.  If I enhance around 500hz - 1k, I can hear Laurel but if not I hear Yanni.
What is extra weird is that if I enhance that frequency and then slowly bring it down to 0, I then hear a blend of the 2 an cannot hear Yanni alone until I walk away and leave it a while - then I hear Yanni again.... this is fun stuff...

Link please?
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Len Zenith Jr on May 17, 2018, 04:37:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKiVO0tbxXw
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on May 17, 2018, 05:02:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKiVO0tbxXw

thanks Len - sorry Dave   :(
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Gary Weller on May 17, 2018, 06:35:36 PM
thanks Len - sorry Dave   :(

According to the creator it's Laurel.
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Art Welter on May 17, 2018, 06:39:06 PM
thanks Len - sorry Dave   :(
Debbie,

Interesting, I couldn't hear "Yanni" at all (and I know the guy..) but after listening to the boosted upper harmonics starting 10:43 in on this video I could:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RC_7eSncvY

And now can "kind of" hear "yanny" even without processing.

Pitching down between 130 to 160 on this video also made for a shift from "laurel" to "yanny", though that didn't make me aware of "yanny" in the unaltered "laurel" recording.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZH31ijVuvg

Fun stuff!

Art
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on May 17, 2018, 06:52:22 PM
Debbie,

Interesting, I couldn't hear "Yanni" at all (and I know the guy..) but after listening to the boosted upper harmonics starting 10:43 in on this video I could:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RC_7eSncvY

And now can "kind of" hear "yanny" even without processing.

Pitching down between 130 to 160 on this video also made for a shift from "laurel" to "yanny", though that didn't make me aware of "yanny" in the unaltered "laurel" recording.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZH31ijVuvg

Fun stuff!

Art

It's so weird Art.. I have the EQ set with just enough lower frequencies to hear Laurel  (bearing in mind  I can normally hear Yanni) so that I can switch it on and off as I play the loop - and can literally go back and forth from Yanni to Laurel.
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Stephen Kirby on May 17, 2018, 07:05:25 PM
Interesting, a producer friend just posted on FB that with more low content you hear Laurel.  Which I couldn't hear at all over the TV last night when Fallon was playing it.
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Steve Loewenthal on May 17, 2018, 09:31:32 PM
My wife and I heard it while watching TV last night. Our TV audio uses a regular stereo system with fairly large 3 way speaker cabinets (about 14 inches wide by 30 tall. Don't know what is on the insides.)
My wife heard only Laurel and I heard only Yanni.
Playing some of the links posted here using my office stereo, I hear mainly Laurel. Only on the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZH31ijVuvg link do I hear any Yanni tonight, and only from about 25 to 38 seconds into the clip. Playing with the bass and treble controls on my stereo didn't seem to make much difference.
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Paul G. OBrien on May 17, 2018, 09:45:04 PM
I just listened to this for the first time(been hearing about it for a few days now) and all I hear is Laurel. Also listened to the clips Art linked and again all I hear is Laurel with some weird sound effects in the background as the boost is swept through. Maybe it is my listening device.. a laptop which has pretty poor speakers, but maybe that limited bandwidth filters out some of distractions that make people hear other things.
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on May 17, 2018, 09:59:17 PM
I just listened to this for the first time(been hearing about it for a few days now) and all I hear is Laurel. Also listened to the clips Art linked and again all I hear is Laurel with some weird sound effects in the background as the boost is swept through. Maybe it is my listening device.. a laptop which has pretty poor speakers, but maybe that limited bandwidth filters out some of distractions that make people hear other things.

Until I downloaded the sound clip into my DAW, I had only heard Yanni whether on my phone, my lap top or my stereo with sub. Even on my DAW I have to manipulate the EQ quite bit to be able to hear Laurel.  Chris only hears Laurel through the same devices.
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on May 17, 2018, 10:59:28 PM
If you play it backwards, it says "John Lennon is the Devil". 
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Tim McCulloch on May 17, 2018, 11:10:38 PM
If you play it backwards, it says "John Lennon is the Devil".

I thought it was Yoko Ono's voice saying "I buried Paul".

 ::)

Strawberry Fields Forever!
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Jim Rutherford on May 18, 2018, 03:42:24 AM
I heard that Yanni only hears laurel
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Kevin McDonough on May 18, 2018, 05:51:17 AM
Knock Knock...

Who's there?.....

Laurel.

Yanny who?......

 ;D ;D  (shamelessly stolen from a post on FB).

Yeah I'm the same as a few people on here that I only ever here Laurel, no mater what device I have listened to it on. It screws with my head how anyone could possibly hear anything different, it seems so obviously Laurel to me.  ???

K
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on May 18, 2018, 09:39:50 AM
Hearing/equipment test....

JR
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: John L Nobile on May 18, 2018, 09:50:51 AM
I'm listening through headphones and I'm not hearing either. To me it sounds like "Yowie".
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Jeff Schoonover1 on May 18, 2018, 11:24:28 AM
On the very first listen, I heard "Yanni." A few subsequent listens, and I could clearly hear the over (or under?) tones that made up the "Laurel" portion, but my brain still gravitated to "Yanni"   After viewing Art's DAW clip, I clearly hear that it's saying both, and can hear both in the 100% speed.  It's fascinating how one person's brain latches onto the higher register and another person's brain gravitates to the low.
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on May 18, 2018, 11:28:13 AM
On the very first listen, I heard "Yanni." A few subsequent listens, and I could clearly hear the over (or under?) tones that made up the "Laurel" portion, but my brain still gravitated to "Yanni"   After viewing Art's DAW clip, I clearly hear that it's saying both, and can hear both in the 100% speed.  It's fascinating how one person's brain latches onto the higher register and another person's brain gravitates to the low.

Yes - I can hear both if I set the EQ or speed just right. I actually can then hear LAURNEE - a blend of the 2.
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Nathan Riddle on May 18, 2018, 11:30:43 AM
I can't hear Yanni at all no matter what I do, only Laurel with some weird HF artifacts approximating 64kbps mp3 files. Perhaps an alien in the background saying weird things that start with the 'Y' sound.
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on May 18, 2018, 12:15:02 PM
Most folks I have spoken to and from what I have read hear Laurel - only a few like me hear Yanni. My daughter hears only Yanni.
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Steve Garris on May 18, 2018, 12:26:34 PM
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Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Scott Olewiler on May 18, 2018, 12:31:59 PM
I heard nothing but Yanni on my cheap PC speakers. Then on my way home frorm work yestrday, the radio staion I was listening to played and I clearly heard only Laurel on my bass heavy car stereo.

I am curious if people sharing the same sound source in the same room ever hear it differently?
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on May 18, 2018, 12:42:58 PM
I heard nothing but Yanni on my cheap PC speakers. Then on my way home frorm work yestrday, the radio staion I was listening to played and I clearly heard only Laurel on my bass heavy car stereo.

I am curious if people sharing the same sound source in the same room ever hear it differently?

I did this yesterday Scott. I played it on my good quality system with sub- and Chris heard Laurel and I heard Yanni.
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Chris Grimshaw on May 18, 2018, 01:08:51 PM
I'm hearing Laurel. With the boost in the video swept into the kHz range, I got Yanni. It did sound like a weird recording artifact, though, and listening to the original again, Yanni is there, but 10-15dB down compared to the very obvious Laurel.

Chris
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on May 18, 2018, 01:36:21 PM
Human perception is always willing to fill in the missing information trying to make sense of bad or incomplete input. There is apparently a lot of common information shared by the two words. What we perceive depends somewhat on how we fill in the missing gaps, somewhat on media playback integrity, but the recording is intentionally challenged to create the ambiguous perception. 

I don't think there is a correct answer while reportedly the original word was Laurel several corrupted media generations ago. YMMV

JR
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: David Allred on May 18, 2018, 02:00:06 PM
The hearer's ears play a huge part in this.  If I have deficiencies in one band or sensitivities in another I will hear differently than others.
It is a neat phenomenon.  The weirdest thing is that someone found (or thought to look for this).  Satanic rituals, I say.  ;D
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Jerome Malsack on May 18, 2018, 02:06:23 PM
another side to this if you use the iPhone and headphones, lots of the people have the eq selected in settings for bass boost or other selections so they are not listening the the  flat recording and have a system that is boosting to help their hearing needs.
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on May 18, 2018, 02:17:37 PM
The hearer's ears play a huge part in this.  If I have deficiencies in one band or sensitivities in another I will hear differently than others.
It is a neat phenomenon.  The weirdest thing is that someone found (or thought to look for this).  Satanic rituals, I say.  ;D
Internet click bait, not unlike that dress visual perception trick that looked like different color combinations to different people.  Life is short but people still have too much time on their hands.

JR
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Stu McDoniel on May 18, 2018, 02:25:59 PM
Most folks I have spoken to and from what I have read hear Laurel - only a few like me hear Yanni. My daughter hears only Yanni.
All i could hear is Yanni no matter how many times I played it.
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Steve Oldridge on May 18, 2018, 02:29:34 PM
folks.. the moral of the story is obvious.. 
Most sound guys.. (and gals) are old..    :)
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Ray Aberle on May 18, 2018, 05:07:11 PM
I thought it was Laurel & Hardy. Who is Yanni?
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Scott Holtzman on May 18, 2018, 06:38:56 PM
I thought it was Laurel & Hardy. Who is Yanni?
Victoria Principal's husband.

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Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Ray Aberle on May 18, 2018, 06:41:37 PM
Hmmm. I'm sure there's a joke in here somewhere, but I don't get it. *sighs*

Kids these days.
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on May 18, 2018, 06:44:57 PM
Victoria Principal's husband.

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Don't you mean Linda Evans... from the 'other' 80's soap?
 
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Dave Pluke on May 18, 2018, 06:56:41 PM
Who is Yanni?
Some guy who used to play in Chameleon, out of Minneapolis.

Dave
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Rick Powell on May 18, 2018, 07:12:02 PM
Some guy who used to play in Chameleon, out of Minneapolis.

Dave

They used to play a lot in Joliet IL, and the Chicago area. There was a local connection, with a few of the band members including drummer Charlie Adams originally being from there. Adams was known for his rotating contraption where he could play drums upside-down.
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Scott Holtzman on May 18, 2018, 07:30:27 PM
Don't you mean Linda Evans... from the 'other' 80's soap?
Oops...yeah not big on 80's soaps.

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Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Paul G. OBrien on May 18, 2018, 09:31:48 PM
I did this yesterday Scott. I played it on my good quality system with sub- and Chris heard Laurel and I heard Yanni.
Incredible, the more the lowend is boosted the more pronounced I hear Laurel, some of the EQ changes in the posted samples make it sound a lot less definitive but I can't say I heard anything in any of them that sounds like Yanni.
Title: Re: Yanni vs Laurel
Post by: Stu McDoniel on May 21, 2018, 03:30:27 PM
Some guy who used to play in Chameleon, out of Minneapolis.

Dave
I remember that band.