James Feenstra wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 19:01 |
that's a really bad way to lift truss, based on the picture it'd be better if the truss was sitting on top of the forks |
Collin Donohue wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 09:06 |
Perhaps some of the smarter fellas can chime in on this, but my typical practice is to hang the truss from the forks with spansets. Reason being... the masts of a Genie lift don't go perfectly straight up when the lift is properly leveled. It seems that they lean back just a bit. So when you're on the ground, the distance between the two opposing forks is (for example) 30'. But when you crank it to height, it ends up being 30'-4". If the truss is rigidly secured to the forks, you've got some funky forces pulling the Genie's together when they shouldn't be. Hanging the truss via spansets gives you a secure connection, but also allows for that variance in the gap when lowered versus raised. Thoughts? Or are my bubble levels both off?? |
Phillip Graham wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 08:48 |
From a statics standpoint, this is the preferred way to hang the truss. Since the truss is freely supported at both ends, the bending moments placed on the truss by the distributed load are not transferred to the lift. |
Collin Donohue wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 09:56 | ||
Hey Phillip... just to be sure, were you referring to my method, or the OP's method being correct? Thanks! |
Phillip Graham wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 09:14 |
Am I making sense? |
Karl P(eterson) wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:40 |
In addition to the great advice by Phill, there are some good solutions from The Light Source for rigging truss and genies. The Genie Fork Adapter which locks onto the fork and gives you a place for an eyebolt & shackle is a good piece and the truss pick-plate and truss-picks themselves are all useful products in their own ways. Just making those aware who may not be already.... Karl P |
Collin Donohue wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:46 |
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On a side note, does anyone else have issues with the adjustable forks on Supertowers having just a bit too much play in them? Causing the fork to be at a pretty scary downward angle? Disclaimer... they really were like this before the speakers were hung on them! |
E. Lee Dickinson wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 18:12 |
It's especially bad because it LOOKS so unsafe! |
Phillip Graham wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 15:14 | ||||
Your method, and I edited the above post for clarity to that end. The remaining caveat with spansets is their location on the truss matters. The spanset exerts a compression force on the truss, and thus needs to be located in a location where the truss has a compression bearing member. This is done properly in the stacked projector picture you posted, as the spanset is near the truss end termination. In projector case you show, the spansets are going to have very little de-rating of their load capacity, as they are bearing a nearly vertical load. The CG of the projectors, with respect to the truss, will determine how much of the load fraction each of the two forks of the lift bear, and the twisting moment on the lift head. If the projector CG lies at the truss center the forks bear the load equally. Am I making sense? |
Philip Roberts wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 11:18 |
Phill, (and others) To clarify a couple of things. Is there any reason to want to use one of the truss pick plates in an application like this, or is using a spanset on each of the lower "pipes" of the truss and then going up the the genie forks sufficient. |
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Last is there any reason to use the genie fork adapters and an eye/shackle combination or is what Colin doing with just a spanset sufficient. |
Mike Slay wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 02:29 |
= 2. Lift from the bottom chords (Chords are the big pipes that run the length of the truss). This puts the truss into compression. In other words the load is not pulling the top chords away from the bottom chords. |
Phillip Graham wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 14:36 |
Perhaps spansets give you more flexibility for the height of the placement in some situations? A pick plate with proper clamp to the lower chord should be just as good. |
Rob Timmerman wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 18:08 | ||
The big advantage to a spanset is that it places the center of mass of the truss well below the pivot point. A pick plate places the pivot point in the same plane as the bottom chords of the truss, which can lead to a tippy truss in some situations. Think pendulum instead of see-saw. |
Collin Donohue wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:46 |
Sorry, Philip, not sure on the exact terms, but in that photo, we did a choke on the bottom rail of the truss, then a wrap on the top rail. From what I've just googled, yes, that's a larks head (and I call myself an Eagle Scout!?!?!?!) We then wrapped the fork of the Genie enough times to basically get the truss as close to the fork as possible... no official method, just the best method to keep it close and avoid any unnecessary movement. ... E... This picture was taken a while back. Since then, yes, we've been adding some sort of lateral safety. Be it wrapping the spanset to the back of the fork, adding some sort of clamp or bolt on the fork, etc. |
Philip Roberts wrote on Tue, 13 October 2009 21:29 |
I guess I'll reply to my self with a follow up question. I've attached a photo where I mocked up what I think Collin is doing with short XLR cables instead of spansets. Assuming I get proper span sets is something like my mock up a good and safe way to hang the truss? Any recommendations of a better way to handle the upper end? I'd still be interested in any other recommendations books or training classes for practical / how to for basic rigging like I'm doing. I'm planing to by Donovan's book when I get the money, is there any thing else good? Thanks Philip |