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Yamaha Pro Audio just posted a teaser video on their Facebook and Twitter accounts of a new console, to be revealed on May 20, 2020 at 13:00EDT/10:00PDT
With the caption: Our growing family just got smaller. Meet our newest arrivals.
Here's the best screen cap I could get. Looks like maybe a new CL with two rows of knobs above the channel strip like the PM series? a PM Mini maybe?
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I hope for something light for fly dates that can do enough channels(48+).
QL1 biggest flaw is the limited number of channels, otherwise I would own one.
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I wager 3000 quatloos on a PM7C.
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Yamaha Pro Audio just posted a teaser video on their Facebook and Twitter accounts of a new console, to be revealed on May 20, 2020 at 13:00EDT/10:00PDT
With the caption: Our growing family just got smaller. Meet our newest arrivals.
Here's the best screen cap I could get. Looks like maybe a new CL with two rows of knobs above the channel strip like the PM series? a PM Mini maybe?
I think the intriguing part is the last word of the video.
Mac
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I think the intriguing part is the last word of the video.
Mac
Newest arrivalS
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I wager 3000 quatloos on a PM7C.
Provider #1 has a fine herd... ;D
Chris
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I hope for something light for fly dates that can do enough channels(48+).
QL1 biggest flaw is the limited number of channels, otherwise I would own one.
I think the QL and CL generation will be better with an upgrade especially competition in this space is getting tough in that price region (e.g Wings, Avantis, StudioAi) with that channel count.
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Here's a link to the video:
https://twitter.com/YamahaCommAudio/status/1259999743813574657
I'm thinking the very quick shot of a console is *not* the console(s) being introduced, it's just a PM10 or PM7.
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I'm fairly certain this will replace the CL5, be 96k, use RIO D2 boxes, and the price will be comparable to S6L 24C or SD12. I assume it will be called Rivage PM5. Given the lineage of PM5D and CL5 I expect this to become the workhorse in the line. Hopefully there is a 3 and a 1 as well.
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I'm fairly certain this will replace the CL5, be 96k, use RIO D2 boxes, and the price will be comparable to S6L 24C or SD12. I assume it will be called Rivage PM5. Given the lineage of PM5D and CL5 I expect this to become the workhorse in the line. Hopefully there is a 3 and a 1 as well.
it does say “our family is getting smaller”. The question would be how many smaller? It’s almost certainly a PM 5, will it be available in multiple sizes?
Mac
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It's the CS-R3 and CS-R5 control surfaces for the DSP-R10 (https://usa.yamaha.com/products/proaudio/mixers/rivage_pm10/components.html#product-tabs)
DSP-R10 DSP Engine
The DSP-R10 is a powerful DSP engine that serves as the core for signal processing and system control required for the RIVAGE PM system.
Compatible Control Surfaces: CS-R10, CS-R10-S, CS-R5, CS-R3
Superior capability of processing digital audio signals of up to 144 input, 72 MIX, 36 MATRIX, and two STEREO channels.
Four HY card slots that are capable of transmitting/receiving up to 256 ins/outs of digital audio signals/control signals.
Two Mini-YGDAI slots to support various audio formats.
Dual redundant power supply built-in
Power consumption: 190W
Dimensions (WxHxD): 480 x 232 x 490.8mm (18.9" x 9.1" x 19.3") (5U rack size)
Net Weight: 20 kg (44 lbs)
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I'm betting Andrew is correct. Physically smaller, not fewer products. We'll see soon!
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It's the CS-R3 and CS-R5 control surfaces for the DSP-R10 (https://usa.yamaha.com/products/proaudio/mixers/rivage_pm10/components.html#product-tabs)
If that's true, then it is not as exciting as it seems ;D. I do still hope is the CL line replacement.
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If that's true, then it is not as exciting as it seems ;D. I do still hope is the CL line replacement.
Yamaha seems to run a product line for a very long time. How long has the CL line been out? I wouldn't think it is anywhere near retirement.
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Yamaha seems to run a product line for a very long time. How long has the CL line been out? I wouldn't think it is anywhere near retirement.
I played with the first CL5 in Europe in March of 2012 at Du Show in Nice France. They wouldn't let me put it on my show because they hadn't fully tested it yet. That makes it about 8 years old. The PM1D got discontinued after 10 years. The CL line is due for an update soon, but I think Andy got it right although I can't find the notice he quoted.
Mac
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I played with the first CL5 in Europe in March of 2012 at Du Show in Nice France. They wouldn't let me put it on my show because they hadn't fully tested it yet. That makes it about 8 years old. The PM1D got discontinued after 10 years. The CL line is due for an update soon, but I think Andy got it right although I can't find the notice he quoted.
Mac
I saw the note Andy showed on their website yesterday. It is gone today.
Someone on the web team got a little excited and jumped the gun...
Bryan
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I played with the first CL5 in Europe in March of 2012 at Du Show in Nice France. They wouldn't let me put it on my show because they hadn't fully tested it yet. That makes it about 8 years old. The PM1D got discontinued after 10 years. The CL line is due for an update soon, but I think Andy got it right although I can't find the notice he quoted.
Mac
Jeez. Time flies.
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Jeez. Time flies.
Announced in March or so of 2012, publicly shown at NAB in 2012. We received our CL5 for TPAC in Tulsa in August of 2012.
Long in the tooth maybe, but still a great platform. I just wish it would do more than 72 channels and run at 96k.
I'm sure this PM5 or CS-R5, whatever will still be much more expensive than the CL5 and a pair of RIOs.
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Announced in March or so of 2012, publicly shown at NAB in 2012. We received our CL5 for TPAC in Tulsa in August of 2012.
Long in the tooth maybe, but still a great platform. I just wish it would do more than 72 channels and run at 96k.
I'm sure this PM5 or CS-R5, whatever will still be much more expensive than the CL5 and a pair of RIOs.
CL 5 can mix 88 input channels, 72 mono and 8 stereo. You do need to add input ports via an MY card of some sort to get them all in.
Mac
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CL 5 can mix 88 input channels, 72 mono and 8 stereo. You do need to add input ports via an MY card of some sort to get them all in.
Mac
It IS easy to forget the stereo channels on that thing.
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CL 5 can mix 88 input channels, 72 mono and 8 stereo. You do need to add input ports via an MY card of some sort to get them all in.
Mac
::)
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It IS easy to forget the stereo channels on that thing.
Not so much once you've done it a couple of times. 88 in the music console and 40 something in the production console.
Mac
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Anyone know the street price of a bare DSP-R10?
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If that's true, then it is not as exciting as it seems ;D. I do still hope is the CL line replacement.
No reason they couldn't also be introducing smaller/cheaper DSP boxes to go with smaller/cheaper control surfaces.
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At Rivage training i discussed the need for higher channel count with one of the Y's guys and a R20 was a possible solution.
What we need is not a smaller 3 box system but a 96k less modular 2 box...utilizing D2's and boutique pres like Rupert Neve digital. Resident Dante w/SRC.They have the PM10CS..use it as a base for the smaller 2 box
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As Y J has shown respect for Japanese Numerology i would expect a CL7 as a possible upgrade name
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Tomorrow's the day. :D
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U.S. webpage is live: https://usa.yamaha.com/products/proaudio/mixers/rivage_pm/index.html
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U.S. webpage is live: https://usa.yamaha.com/products/proaudio/mixers/rivage_pm/index.html
That looks interesting. Not a baby PM7, but a smaller PM10, requiring the external DSP. Also new DSP engines with both fewer and more channels, and the long expected Eventide 2016 FX engine, and control of L'Acoustic I-LSA immersive sound systems.
Mac
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and the unlisted Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd28Q8g1KkI&list=PL3rjqgoqj7LJ6jlD5MB7nwP5tZL9VWtjb
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Nice.
I like them. The PM3 looks like a viable upgrade from the CL5. Love the L-ISA integration.
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That looks interesting. Not a baby PM7, but a smaller PM10, requiring the external DSP. Also new DSP engines with both fewer and more channels, and the long expected Eventide 2016 FX engine, and control of L'Acoustic I-LSA immersive sound systems.
Mac
And the small DSP Engine can be upgraded to become the big one at a very modest penalty vs. buying the big one right away.
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Does anyone have prices yet?
Is a pair of CS5's, pair of the small DSP's and a pair of Rio's3224-R2's north or south of $100k?
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Does anyone have prices yet?
Is a pair of CS5's, pair of the small DSP's and a pair of Rio's3224-R2's north or south of $100k?
It was intimated at the FB live that a PM3 system is about the same price as a CL5,
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It was intimated at the FB live that a PM3 system is about the same price as a CL5,
I’ll believe it when I see it...
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I’ll believe it when I see it...
Even if it's a solid $20,000-25,000 more expensive than the CL5, that's still a comfortable mid range between the CL5 and the PM7.
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Even if it's a solid $20,000-25,000 more expensive than the CL5, that's still a comfortable mid range between the CL5 and the PM7.
Anyone have any insight or commentary on the decision to place an "all in one" console [the PM7] Smack dab in the middle of a full line of "Mix engine and Surface" consoles [PM10, PM5, PM3]
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Any thoughts of the PM5 lacking "scribble strip" channel labels? I get that there is a screen above every channel and the label will be there, but that is in a VERY different eyeliner place than I've grown accustomed to.
Part of me thinks it would be great. Part of me fears change.... :)
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Anyone have any insight or commentary on the decision to place an "all in one" console [the PM7] Smack dab in the middle of a full line of "Mix engine and Surface" consoles [PM10, PM5, PM3]
Logical evolution...what I expected as thats the gaping hole in the line.
Wishfull thinking on our part i fear
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Anyone have any insight or commentary on the decision to place an "all in one" console [the PM7] Smack dab in the middle of a full line of "Mix engine and Surface" consoles [PM10, PM5, PM3]
The PM7 surface is 207 lbs, compared to 187 for the PM10 surface. The new PM5 and PM3 surfaces are both under 100lbs.
More weight is not a great feature. Splitting the DSP and I/O boxes out of the console makes things way easier to move and load in. Two guys can move the PM5 console versus 4 or 5 for the PM7.
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That looks interesting. Not a baby PM7, but a smaller PM10, requiring the external DSP. Also new DSP engines with both fewer and more channels, and the long expected Eventide 2016 FX engine, and control of L'Acoustic I-LSA immersive sound systems.
Mac
I wasn't able to watch the live FB webcast because our internet was being stupid and not working until late tonight.
I'm surprised they didn't even mention the L-ISA integration during the webcast. That seems like a killer feature that will help to keep the dark forces of British consoles at bay.
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Any thoughts of the PM5 lacking "scribble strip" channel labels? I get that there is a screen above every channel and the label will be there, but that is in a VERY different eyeliner place than I've grown accustomed to.
Part of me thinks it would be great. Part of me fears change.... :)
Shouldn't be much of an issue I think, looking at Avantis from AH which also use similar approach. If scenes are set I think muscle memory plays a more important roles tho that's just my 2cents.
UI wise I think not having scrible strips allows easier trace back to the fat channel compared to having it separately, and is not so major that a scribble tape can't solve.
edit: saw the PM3 not PM5
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Even if it's a solid $20,000-25,000 more expensive than the CL5, that's still a comfortable mid range between the CL5 and the PM7.
I can't tell actual prices yet, but they'll be pretty nice for the horsepower.