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Title: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Ryan O John on March 04, 2015, 01:27:38 PM
Does anyone know anything about this guy?
Title: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Andrew Broughton on March 04, 2015, 01:29:49 PM
I would expect the name to be SD21 if it's DiGiCo...


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Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Ryan O John on March 04, 2015, 01:35:38 PM
I would have too.


I would expect the name to be SD21 if it's DiGiCo...


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Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Daniel Ravald on March 04, 2015, 02:21:35 PM
I would expect the name to be SD21 if it's DiGiCo...


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It looks like S21...

(https://scontent-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11014879_10152715101711299_4939264918092661674_n.jpg?oh=7b5b2a183f06b26aa83856ba5132fa46&oe=55823F0D)
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on March 04, 2015, 02:59:12 PM
Where are you guys seeing these pics?

Hopefully it's a ~$2,500 small format console with 16 to 24 channels and 16 outputs. Something, ANYthing to compete with the X32 and finally replace the 01V96.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Andrew Broughton on March 04, 2015, 03:02:44 PM
More photos...

(http://i.imgur.com/yuG3w0p.jpg)
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Andrew Broughton on March 04, 2015, 03:03:12 PM
Where are you guys seeing these pics?
I'm a good googler.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Lee Richard on March 06, 2015, 01:33:57 AM
It's a beautiful printer

(http://i.imgur.com/RZhMOkU.jpg)
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Josh Voyles on March 06, 2015, 07:19:27 AM
Where are you guys seeing these pics?

Hopefully it's a ~$2,500 small format console with 16 to 24 channels and 16 outputs. Something, ANYthing to compete with the X32 and finally replace the 01V96.

Seems like they could be making something to compete with the Yamaha QL line maybe. Whatever it is it seems like it could certainly hurt SD11 sales.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: dimis plousios on March 06, 2015, 08:10:50 AM
 :) :) i found this webpage !!!   http://i89957.wix.com/digico-s21  :) :)
Does anyone know anything about this guy?
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Josh Voyles on March 06, 2015, 08:19:02 AM
:) :) i found this webpage !!!   http://i89957.wix.com/digico-s21  :) :)

I saw that link too. It looks like we won't know the final details till April 15th so it's probably just a reservation with maybe a small deposit attached. I guess the best way to find out would be to place an order.
Title: Posting Rules
Post by: Mac Kerr on March 06, 2015, 08:20:10 AM
:) :) i found this webpage !!!

Please go to your profile and change the "Name" field to your real first and last name as required by the posting rules displayed in the header at the top of the section, and in the Site Rules and Suggestions (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/board,36.0.html) in the Forum Announcements section, and on the registration page when you registered.

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Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Tim McCulloch on March 06, 2015, 08:20:51 AM
I saw that link too. It looks like we won't know the final details till April 15th so it's probably just a reservation with maybe a small deposit attached. I guess the best way to find out would be to place an order.

The best way would be to contact a Digico dealer or distributor.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Josh Voyles on April 02, 2015, 04:51:13 AM
For those that haven't seen, there are more pictures. http://www.midifan.com/modulenews-detailview-19852.htm

Looks very similar to the Roland M5000 if you ask me.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Adrian Shajkofci on April 03, 2015, 04:05:12 PM
http://image.midifan.com/data/attach/album/2015/0330/4137_1427717330.jpg

It looks like the software from the CADAC consoles
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Chris Eddison on April 04, 2015, 04:46:35 AM
Looks very similar to the Roland M5000 if you ask me.
Indeed it does! Though will it have the same price point? That's the question! I was pretty decided that i'll be looking at an M5000 soon as a trade up from my M480. If I didn't have an M300 and lots of REAC stage boxes already this Digico could well be a contender if it's priced right.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on April 04, 2015, 02:35:45 PM
Are the faders really in groups of 10?

That's an odd number I think. 8 or 12 is the normal number for groups of faders.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Mac Kerr on April 04, 2015, 03:25:57 PM
Are the faders really in groups of 10?

That's an odd number I think. 8 or 12 is the normal number for groups of faders.

FWIW, Studer has faders in groups of 10.

Mac
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Kevin McDonough on April 06, 2015, 09:21:32 AM
I've seen this spec list reprinted on a few websites now....

- 42 Flexi inputs
- 12 Flexi buses
- 24 onboard inputs
- 12 onboard outputs
- 8x FX
- 2x multi-touch display
- 21 Faders
- I/O via optional cards: MADI, Cat5, etc
- Built-in "UB MADI interface" (basically just multitrack I/O on USB)
- 96 kHz
- New and more powerful FPGA chip
- Linux based


Somewhere between Pro1 and Pro2 territory, but with dual touch screens which is a new thing for Digico in terms of lower priced desks, only the SD7 and 5 obviously have more than one screen.

21 faders would indeed suggest that it was maybe two banks of 10 below the screens plus a master?

Built in multitrack USB for recording and virtual soundcheck.

Lol kind of wishing it had been out last year when I invested in a Pro 1  :-\


k
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: John durisko on April 06, 2015, 02:00:30 PM
42 flexi inputs and 48 with a future software update at a huge price point probably


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Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Kevin McDonough on April 06, 2015, 02:13:44 PM
42 flexi inputs and 48 with a future software update at a huge price point probably



Well that's the question isn't it.  Its obviously the start of a new software platform, as well as desk format of screens above all the faders.  So is the S range gonna be a lower priced range or is it gonna be one of the lower models of an eventual SD series replacement?

I think probably the former, and think the price will be around pro 1 teritory, maybe a shade cheaper, but not as low as M32, or soundcraft expressions, A&H GLD etc 


k
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Josh Voyles on April 07, 2015, 08:34:18 AM

Well that's the question isn't it.  Its obviously the start of a new software platform, as well as desk format of screens above all the faders.  So is the S range gonna be a lower priced range or is it gonna be one of the lower models of an eventual SD series replacement?

I think probably the former, and think the price will be around pro 1 teritory, maybe a shade cheaper, but not as low as M32, or soundcraft expressions, A&H GLD etc 


k

In the end it's going to come down to size and weight for me.

That's one of the huge things that appeals so much about the S3L-X system.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Tim McCulloch on April 07, 2015, 09:05:27 AM
In the end it's going to come down to size and weight for me.

That's one of the huge things that appeals so much about the S3L-X system.

So far, those are the only things appealing about the Avid S3L, and for me size/weight isn't a big issue because we have stage hands to move stuff.  Avid needs to come up with a coherent plan to deal with a huge installed user base that they appear to be willing to abandon.  /topic swerve
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on April 07, 2015, 01:42:02 PM
So far, those are the only things appealing about the Avid S3L, and for me size/weight isn't a big issue because we have stage hands to move stuff.  Avid needs to come up with a coherent plan to deal with a huge installed user base that they appear to be willing to abandon.  /topic swerve
Lulz...Avid can't come up with a coherent plan to deal with a much, much larger installed user base for their core products. They are a company in disarry.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Jim Turner on April 09, 2015, 05:24:21 AM

Well that's the question isn't it.  Its obviously the start of a new software platform, as well as desk format of screens above all the faders.  So is the S range gonna be a lower priced range or is it gonna be one of the lower models of an eventual SD series replacement?

I think probably the former, and think the price will be around pro 1 teritory, maybe a shade cheaper, but not as low as M32, or soundcraft expressions, A&H GLD etc 


k

I think the former as well...
I'm hoping it will play nice with the existing SD range.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on April 15, 2015, 10:49:32 AM
T-Minus 13 hours...  8)

Digico S21 (http://www.digico.biz/s21/#)
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Magnus Högkvist on April 15, 2015, 03:24:37 PM
Video from Pro Light & Sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MPNxhwN0O0
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Josh Voyles on April 15, 2015, 06:13:06 PM
I thought when Digico mentioned "revealed," they were going to have all the information available to the public.

Instead we are getting fed specs we already know is small portions like a baby.

I also don't know how they are sold out of their first production run only using social media. I can't find pricing anywhere and a vendor I use didn't know about the S21 until I mentioned it.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on April 15, 2015, 06:26:15 PM
I also don't know how they are sold out of their first production run only using social media


Probably because the only people who have known about it (under the wraps of a NDA) are the various rep firms that were required to buy one to demo to their subordinate vendors. So maybe a dozen or so in the first production run?
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on April 15, 2015, 06:29:37 PM
Also, I find it curious, now, with all of the various console announcements this week and last, that the OP is a product manager for Avid? I'm pretty sure that he did not have that in his sig when this thread started a a month and a half ago.


 ???
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: John L Nobile on April 15, 2015, 07:34:46 PM
Also, I find it curious, now, with all of the various console announcements this week and last, that the OP is a product manager for Avid? I'm pretty sure that he did not have that in his sig when this thread started a a month and a half ago.


 ???

Getting information on a competitors board from a chat site seems odd. Haven't you heard the phrase "Industrial Espionage?"  You know, the old fashioned way.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Samuel Rees on April 15, 2015, 08:49:48 PM
24 preamps on board (SD-rack preamps he seemed to say). Interesting. So what Digico rack is this planned to sell with? SD-rack is too expensive for an alleged low price console, right? D-rack and madi rack are on their way out... D2 rack I suppose? How much does d2 cost? Or a new "S" series rack? Answers will come soon I suppose...
Title: Just saw the S21
Post by: Craig Leerman on April 16, 2015, 12:51:52 AM
Here is the rundown on the S21

Smaller frame console with 20 faders in two banks of 10
Two medium size color touch screens

96KHz
40 Flexi (stereo or mono) inputs
16 Flexi buses
10x8 Matrix
2 stereo or mono solo buses
LR mains (LCR should be in future firmware upgrade)
All channels same features as SD consoles (4 band para, comp, de-esser, gate, ducker, etc)
DigiTubes EVERY channel
Additional 4 Dynamic EQs
Additional 4 Multi-band comps
8 stereo FX units
UB-Madi built in
2 DMI option card slots (Dante and MADI and others)
24 x 12 local I/O
2x2 AES local I/O

PRICE >>>>     UNDER $7000 (with no option cards)

I took a pic but its in my camera in my truck.  Will post one later but here is a pic from their press kit teaser
Title: Re: Just saw the S21
Post by: Brian Bolly on April 16, 2015, 10:28:56 AM
DigiTubes EVERY channel

Not quite.  Only 4 DigiTubes (for now, at least).

They also need to be clearer about the UB-MADI thing - it is and it isn't.  A true UB-MADI box is very limited at 96k vs 48k.  If this desk natively clocks at 96k and is doing recording/playback IO with its USB port, then hopefully it isn't nearly as limited for those features.
Title: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Samuel Rees on April 16, 2015, 11:18:57 AM
That price puts it around the Pro1, and makes the GLD price drop make perfect sense as a new sister company... Knobs like GLD chrome anyone?
Title: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: eytan gidron on April 17, 2015, 09:45:44 PM
Just saw the console at Frankfurt,  the software is not there yet, they say it will be ready in June/July. 

The UB MADI is converting to 48kHz for recording and converting 48 back to 96 for playback.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Steve Cook on April 20, 2015, 06:49:30 AM
This is just a jaw dropper.  I think I'm in love! I'm curious as well as what's the compatible stage box. 
Title: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Samuel Rees on April 20, 2015, 02:16:09 PM
Unless they have yet to announce a new stagebox, I would assume the new D2 rack would be the thing. But there appears to be a d-rack style CAT5 port in the back as well as coax MADI and a card option for optoloop, so it's a fair guess I think to say it will be compatible with all their modern stage boxes like the SD9. Pure speculation of course! Desk looks great.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Ryan O John on April 20, 2015, 02:24:03 PM
Is it that strange that I want to see what people think of something?  I was excited to play with it, and play with it I did, it's a fun little board. 

This post certainly isn't anything espionage ish remotely, in fact, it's the first post about a product that some of you are excited about and didn't know about yet, I'm happy to be able to share.



Also, I find it curious, now, with all of the various console announcements this week and last, that the OP is a product manager for Avid? I'm pretty sure that he did not have that in his sig when this thread started a a month and a half ago.


 ???
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Chip Sciacca on April 20, 2015, 02:28:46 PM
HI Guys
 The desk has two DMI card slots that can accommodate any of the following cards.

Dante, Aviom, DiGiCo Cat5e(D-Rack), BNC Madi, HMA optical, Calrac Hydra2, Waves Soundgrid, 16 AES I/O, 16 Line in ADC, 16 Line out DAC.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Jim McKeveny on April 20, 2015, 02:54:01 PM
HI Guys
 The desk has two DMI card slots that can accommodate any of the following cards.

Dante, Aviom, DiGiCo Cat5e(D-Rack), BNC Madi, HMA optical, Calrac Hydra2, Waves Soundgrid, 16 AES I/O, 16 Line in ADC, 16 Line out DAC.

..but what about RIAA RCA?
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Mitch Grant on April 20, 2015, 07:45:04 PM
Unless they have yet to announce a new stagebox, I would assume the new D2 rack would be the thing. But there appears to be a d-rack style CAT5 port in the back as well as coax MADI and a card option for optoloop, so it's a fair guess I think to say it will be compatible with all their modern stage boxes like the SD9. Pure speculation of course! Desk looks great.
My understanding, after speaking with my local rep who was at NAB, is that you would need to buy the appropriate card to interface it to ANY existing stage box. I don't know what the cards cost yet, but with the console retailing at 7000.00, it will be a steal no matter what they cost. IMHO.

Mitch Grant
Special Event Audio
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Samuel Rees on April 20, 2015, 07:54:53 PM
From the pictures, it appears to have the same digital IO on the back as the SD9. The MADI and D-rack ports seem pretty clear.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Greg_Cameron on April 20, 2015, 08:02:44 PM
New brochure indicates they've already upped the processing inputs from 40 to 48 channels (mono or stereo), buses from 16 to 24 mono or stereo), Matrices from 10x8 to 12x8, doubled FX from 4 to 8, and dynamic EQ from 4 to 8. Keeps getting better...
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Samuel Rees on April 20, 2015, 08:22:58 PM

New brochure indicates they've already upped the processing inputs from 40 to 48 channels (mono or stereo), buses from 16 to 24 mono or stereo), Matrices from 10x8 to 12x8, doubled FX from 4 to 8, and dynamic EQ from 4 to 8. Keeps getting better...

Greg,

I believe those specs are referring to the SD9. The paragraph above says 'using the SD9 as a reference example'. Their point is that they build headroom into their processing so they can work on the software later. The brochure clearly states and then restates 40 mono/stereo channels, 16 mono/stereo busses. I briefly thought it meant 48 on the S21 as well when I first scanned the page.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Greg_Cameron on April 20, 2015, 08:56:42 PM
Greg,

I believe those specs are referring to the SD9. The paragraph above says 'using the SD9 as a reference example'. Their point is that they build headroom into their processing so they can work on the software later. The brochure clearly states and then restates 40 mono/stereo channels, 16 mono/stereo busses. I briefly thought it meant 48 on the S21 as well when I first scanned the page.


Ah crap, you're right. I skipped over that paragraph. Kind of confusing marketing if ask me ;)
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Samuel Rees on April 20, 2015, 09:03:18 PM
The same thing happened to me when I first read it.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Ted Christensen on April 21, 2015, 12:56:24 AM
I have not seen them mention anything about dca's though. Did i miss something?
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Chip Sciacca on April 21, 2015, 11:46:13 AM
I have not seen them mention anything about dca's though. Did i miss something?

There are 8 CG.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Chip Sciacca on April 21, 2015, 11:47:47 AM
From the pictures, it appears to have the same digital IO on the back as the SD9. The MADI and D-rack ports seem pretty clear.

The way to connect to a D Rack or Madi is only through the two DMI cards slots.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Nitin Sidhu on April 21, 2015, 12:00:14 PM
From the pictures, it appears to have the same digital IO on the back as the SD9. The MADI and D-rack ports seem pretty clear.

Im sorry Samuel, but I dont see those ports, which picture are you looking at ?
My impression is, that beyong local IO, we would need an expansion card for any other connectivity.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Mitch Grant on April 21, 2015, 07:30:58 PM
Im sorry Samuel, but I dont see those ports, which picture are you looking at ?
My impression is, that beyong local IO, we would need an expansion card for any other connectivity.

Yes, as I posted earlier, expansion cards would be needed to connect to ANY digital stage box.
Of course, you could always use an analog snake with the board as is. Most of us still have a few of those laying around :(
Mitch
(and BTW, I am NOT a newbie)
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Mitch Grant on April 21, 2015, 07:34:50 PM
Im sorry Samuel, but I dont see those ports, which picture are you looking at ?
My impression is, that beyong local IO, we would need an expansion card for any other connectivity.
I suspect Samuel is assuming the 2 word clock connectors on the S21 are MADI connections. And there are Ethernet connects too, but apparently they are not for interfacing to a stage box.
Title: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Samuel Rees on April 21, 2015, 08:19:24 PM
Ah, perhaps I'm mistaken. I think Mitch is right about the two coax ports, they are probably word clock.

Edit: I now see that the two cat5 ports seem to have the networking symbol above them. I think the fact that the SD9 only puts Ethercon on its d-rack port threw me off. And the interface cards clearly include a CAT5 MADI option, so it looks like I'm completely wrong on this.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: eytan gidron on April 21, 2015, 11:58:03 PM
There is also a system package which will include a cat5 DMI card and a D-Rack.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Nitin Sidhu on April 22, 2015, 07:08:16 AM
There is also a system package which will include a cat5 DMI card and a D-Rack.

Hey Eytan! Would you have an estimate on this package ? Tx.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: eytan gidron on April 22, 2015, 08:01:38 AM
Hey Eytan! Would you have an estimate on this package ? Tx.

Just saw on the Digico Facebook page that it will be $11,990 for this package. There is also more info here:

http://www.digico.biz/s21/
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Samuel Rees on April 22, 2015, 10:37:44 AM
Can you provide a link to this post? I don't see it on their page.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Doug Fowler on November 25, 2015, 11:59:57 AM
The way to connect to a D Rack or Madi is only through the two DMI cards slots.

Chip - I read the input channel count is up to 48 Flexi. 

What is the max mono input channel count possible using Dante?
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Tim McCulloch on November 25, 2015, 12:42:50 PM
Just saw on the Digico Facebook page that it will be $11,990 for this package. There is also more info here:

http://www.digico.biz/s21/

When I saw the first thing being pimped was "96K standard" I closed the window.  Unless you're doing IEMs or something where 1-2ms will be non-trivial, it's more hype.  Sort of like selling a new car because of the window tinting or carpet fibre.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Keith Broughton on November 25, 2015, 02:17:06 PM
When I saw the first thing being pimped was "96K standard" I closed the window.  Unless you're doing IEMs or something where 1-2ms will be non-trivial, it's more hype.  Sort of like selling a new car because of the window tinting or carpet fibre.
I don't quite see it as "hype". It's just one of many features that you won't get to see when you close the window.
So it's 96K...so what?
It's not like they are flogging some bullshit off shore no name product.
Overall, looks quite interesting. Would like to see CDN pricing.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Tim McCulloch on November 25, 2015, 02:28:31 PM
I don't quite see it as "hype". It's just one of many features that you won't get to see when you close the window.
So it's 96K...so what?
It's not like they are flogging some bullshit off shore no name product.
Overall, looks quite interesting. Would like to see CDN pricing.

It's not quite ready for prime time based on reports of lacking common features.... but my point is where that's the *first* thing a manufacturer shows me I'm immediately skeptical of the everything else.  Same when Music Group announced the M32 - for all that it *might* have in superior s/n or "majik Midas preamps", pimping the 96k thing was the turn off for me.

As a system house, I have no axe to grind with DigiCo as a console builder.... but I still point out what to me are dubious features.  I'm sure the S21 will end up being a nice little desk when the firmware catches up with client needs.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Chip Sciacca on November 25, 2015, 04:30:13 PM
Hi Doug
The S21 max channel count is 40 ( Mono or Stereo) The busses are 16 (mono or stereo, aux or Group) plus the 10 x 8 Matrix, two stereo solo busses and the stereo master.

The DMI Dante card when released will be a 64 x 64 port.
 

Chip - I read the input channel count is up to 48 Flexi. 

What is the max mono input channel count possible using Dante?
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: josh allman on November 26, 2015, 10:32:30 AM
Hi Doug
The S21 max channel count is 40 ( Mono or Stereo) The busses are 16 (mono or stereo, aux or Group) plus the 10 x 8 Matrix, two stereo solo busses and the stereo master.

The DMI Dante card when released will be a 64 x 64 port.

Not much info out on this console yet, and nothing regarding Soundgrid use. Most of the youtube videos are not in English which makes learning more a bit of a challenge lol.

If any dealers can provide some solid info regarding Soundgrid and DMI options, please PM me.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Doug Fowler on November 26, 2015, 12:45:17 PM
Hi Doug
The S21 max channel count is 40 ( Mono or Stereo) The busses are 16 (mono or stereo, aux or Group) plus the 10 x 8 Matrix, two stereo solo busses and the stereo master.

The DMI Dante card when released will be a 64 x 64 port.

Thanks Chip.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Neak Menter on November 30, 2015, 08:00:36 PM
So, anywhere I can find more info about it's Macros and GPIO? Hunting around on the web and they're mentioned but with no detail at all -

because with no midi in, I'm hoping theres another way to trigger snapshot changes other than standing by the console pushing the next and prev snapshot buttons?
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Keith Broughton on December 01, 2015, 07:55:21 AM
but my point is where that's the *first* thing a manufacturer shows me I'm immediately skeptical of the everything else.  Same when Music Group announced the M32 - for all that it *might* have in superior s/n or "majik Midas preamps", pimping the 96k thing was the turn off for me.


OK, I will agree with you on the "first thing" point. They could have opened with something like "classic Digico sound in a compact format".
It's like the ad for RCF monitors with the "no feedback" claim  ::)
Still, an interesting product that is worth keeping an eye on.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: eytan gidron on December 02, 2015, 04:03:13 AM
Not much info out on this console yet, and nothing regarding Soundgrid use. Most of the youtube videos are not in English which makes learning more a bit of a challenge lol.

If any dealers can provide some solid info regarding Soundgrid and DMI options, please PM me., I can check this

I found a video in English here at the bottom of this page.

http://bernas.info/digico/

AFAIK the Soundgrid DMI card is not yet available.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Greg Bellotte on December 06, 2015, 09:48:08 PM
I received my S21 and 2 MADI cards right before thanksgiving. will be happy to try and answer any questions for you guys. yes, they missed several basic things and I am on the fence about keeping it. the big thing for me is the groups cannot be assigned to the main bus. to my thinking this makes the groups useless. like tim said, when the firmware catches up i think this will be a great console-but how long will that be? i have shows i need this for coming up in a few weeks... what to do............
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Steve Ferreira on December 07, 2015, 04:18:57 PM
I received my S21 and 2 MADI cards right before thanksgiving. will be happy to try and answer any questions for you guys. yes, they missed several basic things and I am on the fence about keeping it. the big thing for me is the groups cannot be assigned to the main bus. to my thinking this makes the groups useless. like tim said, when the firmware catches up i think this will be a great console-but how long will that be? i have shows i need this for coming up in a few weeks... what to do............

If memory serves me right it might be like the old D1. Only stereo groups can be sent to the Master. We would create a left and right output in the matrix and then route the mono groups to those.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Peter Morris on December 07, 2015, 08:08:15 PM
I received my S21 and 2 MADI cards right before thanksgiving. will be happy to try and answer any questions for you guys. yes, they missed several basic things and I am on the fence about keeping it. the big thing for me is the groups cannot be assigned to the main bus. to my thinking this makes the groups useless. like tim said, when the firmware catches up i think this will be a great console-but how long will that be? i have shows i need this for coming up in a few weeks... what to do............

I don’t understand – where do the groups go if they are not routed to the main bus?

The S21 has Controls Groups which are more or less DCA functions / groups so they have no bus allocation and can not be routed anywhere.

The desk 16 busses can be configured as either Auxiliaries or (normal) Groups depending on how you set things up and I assume routed where ever you like.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Steve Ferreira on December 07, 2015, 09:53:24 PM
I don’t understand – where do the groups go if they are not routed to the main bus?

The S21 has Controls Groups which are more or less DCA functions / groups so they have no bus allocation and can not be routed anywhere.

The desk 16 busses can be configured as either Auxiliaries or (normal) Groups depending on how you set things up and I assume routed where ever you like.

Read my previous post.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Marcus Thiel on December 08, 2015, 05:21:36 AM
The desk 16 busses can be configured as either Auxiliaries or (normal) Groups depending on how you set things up and I assume routed where ever you like.

I asked the german distributor and they in fact told me that it is not possible at the moment, because in the current Software there is no group to group routing, the only workaround in the moment ist to route the group to one ore two free Input Channels, and then the channel on to the Masterbus.

He also told me there will be a Software Update at the Beginning of January that will fix this, and other issues like global Aux pre/post / Tap delay etc.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Keith Broughton on December 08, 2015, 07:36:36 AM

He also told me there will be a Software Update at the Beginning of January that will fix this, and other issues like global Aux pre/post / Tap delay etc.
This is the great thing about open architecture consoles...firmware updates to change or expand the console capabilities. :)
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Marcus Thiel on December 08, 2015, 08:09:13 AM
This is the great thing about open architecture consoles...firmware updates to change or expand the console capabilities. :)

you think the proud owners should be lucky that the faders worked for a start ..  ;)
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: eytan gidron on December 08, 2015, 11:02:39 PM
I received my S21 and 2 MADI cards right before thanksgiving. will be happy to try and answer any questions for you guys. yes, they missed several basic things and I am on the fence about keeping it. the big thing for me is the groups cannot be assigned to the main bus.

Yes, this is similar to how it was in the D1. In the meantime, until the January upgrade, you could route the groups (mono or stereo) to free input channels, and use these as your group masters. Another option would be to use matrixes as your main system feeds and send your groups to the matrix.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Mac Kerr on December 08, 2015, 11:14:47 PM
Another option would be to use matrixes as your main system feeds and send your groups to the matrix.

This.

Mac
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Tim Halligan on December 08, 2015, 11:18:48 PM
You have to wonder how such a basic operation was omitted from the software from the beginning, and how it was even allowed out of the factory door in such a state.

I suspect that the software designers - and not just those at Digico - have never actually mixed anything...

...including a cake.

And the hot and cold taps in the shower.

:facepalm

Cheers,
Tim
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Tim McCulloch on December 09, 2015, 01:12:35 AM
You have to wonder how such a basic operation was omitted from the software from the beginning, and how it was even allowed out of the factory door in such a state.

I suspect that the software designers - and not just those at Digico - have never actually mixed anything...

...including a cake.

And the hot and cold taps in the shower.

:facepalm

Cheers,
Tim

Indeed.

To be fair, DiGiCo isn't the only myopic console builder - Midas & Yamaha have done some fairly inexplicable feature throttling, too.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Riley Casey on December 09, 2015, 12:32:15 PM
With Yamaha it seems more often driven by an apparent need to differentiate pricier models from the cheaper gear.  They seem to have finally gotten over that particular quirk with the CL / QL lines.

Indeed.

To be fair, DiGiCo isn't the only myopic console builder - Midas & Yamaha have done some fairly inexplicable feature throttling, too.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: josh allman on December 09, 2015, 12:33:39 PM
I think it's the general public acceptance of selling beta products. "Ship it and fix it later" mentality.


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Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Tim Halligan on December 09, 2015, 07:00:14 PM
I think it's the general public acceptance of selling beta products. "Ship it and fix it later" mentality.

Or the "we have to have a new product release at [insert name of trade show here]. Just get it out, and we'll fix it later" mentality.

I suspect it's largely driven by being petrified of the public perception of being left behind in the market..."we need to be seen as having a new product."

Cheers,
Tim
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Steve Ferreira on December 09, 2015, 08:47:14 PM
Yes, this is similar to how it was in the D1. Another option would be to use matrixes as your main system feeds and send your groups to the matrix.

I mentioned that on the previous page as that was the same issue we had encountered on the D1 we owned. We would just use the matrix as the system "Masters"
We have since moved on from the D1 to SD8s and SD9s.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Jim McKeveny on December 10, 2015, 09:05:37 AM
Most touring FOH persons typically have to send mixes to an ever-expanding panoply of entities - local radio, video, streaming, artist archiving, etc. - each with their own "level" issues. It has become the norm to push FOH Master through Matrix.

DiGiCo's stretch to a broader market probably is responsible for this oversight, and rapid software updates are in the mix....so to speak.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Steve Ferreira on December 11, 2015, 01:37:11 PM
S21 D-Rack Touring pack $13,295. 75m Cat5 snake 56 In 20 Out
S21 D2-Rack Touring Pack $17,550 100m Madi snake 72 In 28 out
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Chris Tsanjoures on December 12, 2015, 02:23:38 AM
Or the "we have to have a new product release at [insert name of trade show here]. Just get it out, and we'll fix it later" mentality.

I suspect it's largely driven by being petrified of the public perception of being left behind in the market..."we need to be seen as having a new product."

Cheers,
Tim

Trade shows are a very convenient way to get the hype train out of the station. They provide opportunities for people to get hands on with the new gear, press to get photographs and copy material, and in many cases for the people behind the products to interface with their user community directly. That last bit is what I absolutely love about trade shows. 

There is no doubt a concern of falling behind in the market for many companies out there. Though, you will notice with strong companies there is not so much fear, but drive to push the industry forward. For the successful manufacturers in pro audio, innovation or constant development are common themes. Rolling out new products is really exciting - you get to show the world what you've been up to.

Another thing that drives development - at least in software platforms - is advancements in computer tech. For example, a program coded in 1998 will have a whole bunch of stuff in the code that is just out of date and obsolete when working on operating systems ten years down the road. In this case, the only way to proceed may be to completely update the programming dev environment, which could result in broken code - doh! You have to then go and fix all the things that broke, and in that process you start to make all sorts of improvements that you couldn't do before because the old dev environment didn't have the features necessary - this can be quite a rabbit hole and is about as exciting as it gets for software developers. So now you've got a huge update on your hands and a new dev environment that will be suitable for the next 10 years, more or less. Releasing this work as a dot revision just seems a bit silly, and thusly a new major version number is born...yee-haw
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Pascal.Pincosy on December 29, 2015, 04:57:13 PM
We just got this console for a venue I manage. In the mix it's easy to use and sounds great. Setting up a show however, is a total pain in the waazoo and takes hours to get right. Missing features including no off-line editor, no global pre/post aux switching, and no ability to copy and paste graphics makes for a long slog getting your show set up. I'm hoping that the expected January update will fix most of this stuff as I really do love the feel of this console while in action.

And yes, it sounds awesome!
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Chip Sciacca on January 28, 2016, 10:39:32 AM
Good Morning fellas.
S21 Version 1.1 has hit the streets. Please contact your dealer for download links.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Kevin Maxwell on January 28, 2016, 11:06:05 AM
Good Morning fellas.
S21 Version 1.1 has hit the streets. Please contact your dealer for download links.

What is different?
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Tim McCulloch on January 28, 2016, 11:29:03 AM
Good Morning fellas.
S21 Version 1.1 has hit the streets. Please contact your dealer for download links.

What does 1.1 fix and/or improve?
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Magnus Högkvist on January 29, 2016, 12:18:25 PM
What does 1.1 fix and/or improve?

Change/ fix list from the Swedish Digico users facebook page:

- Group to Group Routing
- Aux/Send Pre/post Switches
- Aux Sends View
- Clear Routing
- Send & Return Insert Routing
- Copy Channel
- Copy Graphic Eq
- Recording & Virtual Sound Check
- Snapshot Global Recall Scope
- Delay Tap Tempo
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Adam Dumbacher on January 29, 2016, 02:12:14 PM
Any word on an offline editor?
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: Andrew Cox on January 29, 2016, 07:11:36 PM
Any word on an auto mic mixer? It's in the Digico / A&H group so should be easy to implement.
Title: Re: DigiCo S21 Console
Post by: eytan gidron on January 30, 2016, 10:45:52 AM
Any word on an offline editor?

I've been told that a offline software will be available on Q2 this year, after a more complete feature set will be established.