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For question for touring engineers and venue engineers in the 300-1500 cap club / theatre market: What is the going rate to charge an artist for multitrack recordings straight off of one of the consoles? The boss at one of my venues wants to get something like a Digico UB MADI for our SD9 and charge artists for multitracks. A venue in the District is doing $100, which seems like a deal if they are free to use it. What rates have you guys seen?
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Recording it is easy. You then need some media big enough for them to carry it away.
You need to charge for that too.
I charge $100 to record. If they want a copy, then it is media cost (+ profit) and one hour at my rate. I can then delete the original if they want. I don't tend to record on to media I plan to send away (I use a FW800 enclosure with a 1.5tb disk).
Otherwise, mix down is hourly.
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For question for touring engineers and venue engineers in the 300-1500 cap club / theatre market: What is the going rate to charge an artist for multitrack recordings straight off of one of the consoles? The boss at one of my venues wants to get something like a Digico UB MADI for our SD9 and charge artists for multitracks. A venue in the District is doing $100, which seems like a deal if they are free to use it. What rates have you guys seen?
We charge $200 plus tax. Files are burned to DVD or bring your own drive.
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We charge $200 plus tax. Files are burned to DVD or bring your own drive.
Thanks, this is just what I wanted - a poll. Quickly - what console and what size venue?
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Thanks, this is just what I wanted - a poll. Quickly - what console and what size venue?
PM1D and Tascam X-48 mkII. Venue seats 300.
www.thetripledoor.net
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PM1D and Tascam X-48 mkII. Venue seats 300.
www.thetripledoor.net
A 1D and X-48 for a 300 seater? Must be expensive seats!
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A 1D and X-48 for a 300 seater? Must be expensive seats!
Looks like it might be though, looks super classy in the link. Vertec 4888 too. Thanks, Craig. Anyone else?
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For question for touring engineers and venue engineers in the 300-1500 cap club / theatre market: What is the going rate to charge an artist for multitrack recordings straight off of one of the consoles? The boss at one of my venues wants to get something like a Digico UB MADI for our SD9 and charge artists for multitracks. A venue in the District is doing $100, which seems like a deal if they are free to use it. What rates have you guys seen?
It depends on the purpose of the recording. If the artist requests a recording for something not mission-critical like youtube promotion or a podcast the price is $200 for 48ch right of the desk. In this case one of the engineers (mon/foh) presses record and if the rig fails we say 'shit happends' and don't bill the client.
If the artist requests a recording for something they think is really important (live in x DVD) we suggest dual recorders and a separate engineer. This person makes sureevery channels survives a scene change and listens for problems the other two engineers may have missed. Besides that he knows how the recording rig works and knows what to do when the damn things fails. ;D
Price is $400.- plus the engineer.
The recording can be done on both internal and external harddrives, I prefer SSD's because they are less sensetive. Because harddrives have fucked up a recording more than once I don't record directly to a clients disk. Once the event is done the client can supply a disk with enough space(which not everyone thinks about) and they get a copy. The original is saved for a couple of moths, if the client destroys their copy we can make them happy! :)
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Great point. I hadn't thought of that. I'd imagined the first option mostly, but hasn't considered redundant operation.
Any other wildly different prices? So far I've got $100-200 for a 48 channel non redundant multitrack off a nice console, plus an option for redundancy for extra $.
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How about just a stereo board recording on usb or CD. What should that cost?
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How about just a stereo board recording on usb or CD. What should that cost?
Basically the cost of the media. Board dubs are "reference only" or "souvenir" recordings. They're pretty worthless for any group with significant on-stage sound. For acoustic acts or other un-amplified stuff I'd say it's negotiable depending on how serious they want it to be. The more importance they put on it, the more attention it will take and the more it's worth.
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Great point. I hadn't thought of that. I'd imagined the first option mostly, but hasn't considered redundant operation.
Any other wildly different prices? So far I've got $100-200 for a 48 channel non redundant multitrack off a nice console, plus an option for redundancy for extra $.
$250 here, they get a DVD or I will give a thumb drive for $275.
If a recording guy is needed its his time plus $250 +20% more.
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$250 here, they get a DVD or I will give a thumb drive for $275.
If a recording guy is needed its his time plus $250 +20% more.
How do you fit it on a little DVD?
My 24 track recordings of a gig can easily get over 20gb.
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How do you fit it on a little DVD?
My 24 track recordings of a gig can easily get over 20gb.
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I'm thinking that's for the 2 track feed.....
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I'd like to pick something middle of the road. That's for the info, feel free to continue to post prices at your venues. I might just average out the responses, and double it for a redundant recording.
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I'd like to pick something middle of the road. That's for the info, feel free to continue to post prices at your venues. I might just average out the responses, and double it for a redundant recording.
We based our fee on the cost of the gear necessary to make it happen and how quickly we wanted it to pay for itself.
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How do you fit it on a little DVD?
My 24 track recordings of a gig can easily get over 20gb.
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32gb on USB is relatively cheap these days. Media cost could be extra if they don't supply their own. Do a refundable deposit with a minor media rental fee if they don't want to buy it outright.
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32gb on USB is relatively cheap these days. Media cost could be extra if they don't supply their own. Do a refundable deposit with a minor media rental fee if they don't want to buy it outright.
I'd say keeping a supply of appropriate sized flash drives on hand and charging enough extra to cover the media cost should be pretty easy.
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For question for touring engineers and venue engineers in the 300-1500 cap club / theatre market: What is the going rate to charge an artist for multitrack recordings straight off of one of the consoles? The boss at one of my venues wants to get something like a Digico UB MADI for our SD9 and charge artists for multitracks. A venue in the District is doing $100, which seems like a deal if they are free to use it. What rates have you guys seen?
Seems like we should up our rate!
We charge $50, for either a stereo board feed, or a 32ch multitrack. Either way, with our Profiles>FWx>Pro Tools, the recording itself is just a few mouse clicks of extra work. The client is responsible for bringing their own media. We will transfer the recording to their storage during load out. If they don't bring something to put it on, we are happy to upload it to a filesharing site (the 2 tracks, anyway) or burn to DVD later in the week. All converting/exporting/mixing etc that happens after the show day is charged at an hourly supervisor rate, 4 hr minimum. We are looking at providing custom branded flash drives (at a markup) for next season, since in practice the client hardly ever remembers to bring media... not that that'll help w/ a 20-40 GB PT session...
This is in a PAC with 950 & 250 seat theaters, Profile w Pro Tools in each room.
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How do you fit it on a little DVD?
My 24 track recordings of a gig can easily get over 20gb.
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000X4JW7A/ref=pd_aw_sbs_1?pi=SL500_SY115
Normally 2 disks will do for our stuff, but I have thought about going to all jump drives.
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How about just a stereo board recording on usb or CD. What should that cost?
That should pretty much come with the gig if artist requests it... charge for the media and that's it.
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That should pretty much come with the gig if artist requests it... charge for the media and that's it.
Agreed. I do it gratis. I have a Zoom H1 I have connected up all the time. The one stipulation is that I advise bands to have someone be in charge of hitting the record button because it seems 90% of the time I forget to hit the damn thing when the band gets on stage. Too busy concentrating on my actual job of the live mix and paying attention to what's in front of me.
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How do you fit it on a little DVD?
My 24 track recordings of a gig can easily get over 20gb.
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Recording 48K / 24-bit requires approximately 8.24MB per track minute. That works out to about 12G for a one hour 24-track set. You can always spread the tracks out amongst multiple discs. The DL give you 8.5G per disc.
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That should pretty much come with the gig if artist requests it... charge for the media and that's it.
If the recording is important enough to request, it has value and a fee should be charged accordingly.
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If the recording is important enough to request, it has value and a fee should be charged accordingly.
+1. Yeah, if you don't charge, and you mess something up on it, no harm no foul, but I would rather do it right, do it well, and be paid for the time and effort. Even if I am just punching it into the side of the LS9 and hitting record, I am still going to test it during their sound check, including a playback of the recording, to make sure it's sounding like it should. If it's missing something (like audience noise, for example, or maybe something that's high in stage volume isn't very present in the recording) this gives me time to alter my configuration to make sure it's going to be there in the final product.
Your mileage may very on short-turnover gigs like any typical festival. :o
Edit: And you are asking about multi-tracks, anyways, not stereo board recordings... so ... awkward.
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If you are a venue and own additional equipment that is solely used to record, then I understand a fee. But if you are a sound company provider who brings in an LS9 or SC48 as per the rider/advance, how do you justify additional charges to use the same gear in a different way?
Some venues have a fee that goes to the stage hands, which is a different argument.
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No question here - I'm talking about a venue purchasing additional equipment and media for this purpose, and a second operator for the redundant recording situations mentioned above.
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If you are a venue and own additional equipment that is solely used to record, then I understand a fee. But if you are a sound company provider who brings in an LS9 or SC48 as per the rider/advance, how do you justify additional charges to use the same gear in a different way?
Some venues have a fee that goes to the stage hands, which is a different argument.
We don't provide a recording computer with our SC48 unless ordered in advance. For free I'll put your USB stick in the LS/9 and push record. I'll make double sure to push record if you incentivize me with a bottle of water or soda. If you want more than a straight 2 track L/R mix, you better bring dinner and flowers. Or cash. ;)
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Here is a perspective...... I used to be in a band about 12 years ago that was unfortunate enough to have the luxury of booking a gig at the Roxy in LA. We opted to have it recorded and hit them up ahead of time what the cost and needed media was to be recorded. The media we needed was DAT tape and at the time a 60 min reel went for $20 and the cost for a two track mix was $80. Needless to say it was the most worthless recording I have ever heard in my life. The gig was a pain in the butt in just about every way and the one thing we really wanted out of it was useless. I spent $100 for something I wouldn't make my neighbors dog listen to.....
As long as you don't produce anything like that you should be fine. I have noticed that once you get to about $150 it becomes a hard sell for most bands. I charge between $200-$300 for a similar service depending on level of involvement for the production. In your case I would shoot for at least $100 just to acquire tracks. An extra charge for any needed media and of course an hourly rate for the time needed to mix tracks if required. I would plan on putting up a website with links so that bands can hear your work. It's a tough sale when you have kids running around producing band demos for pennies and actually getting good results.