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2 years ago when I was in the market to purchase my SRX800 series system, I came here asking about the SRX835p's and based on the sound advice I got, I chose against them and got the SRX815p's.
I love what I have for all the right reasons - and since then I have also added SRX812's to the mix too - but I see a lot of folks here are really blown away with the 835's even in the smaller venues.
I made my decision based on the horn dispersion difference between the 2 and most of our shows are small to medium but I wonder if outside and in the bigger venues, the 835's would be a better choice for me.
However, my considerations are: 1) Not sure it will be cost effective due to the amount of larger and outside shows (or lack thereof) we do, and 2) I do not plan on getting 4 to use 2 per side to improve the dispersion coverage so I will have a larger area at the front of the stage affected by this BUT I will get higher levels further away.
There are some deals out there right now so I'm thinking ... maybe???
Or do I just have GAS again??
One more thought...... I could sell my 812's and my 815's and get 4 835's - and keep using my DSR112's for the smaller shows.
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2 years ago when I was in the market to purchase my SRX800 series system, I came here asking about the SRX835p's and based on the sound advice I got, I chose against them and got the SRX815p's.
I love what I have for all the right reasons - and since then I have also added SRX812's to the mix too - but I see a lot of folks here are really blown away with the 835's even in the smaller venues.
I made my decision based on the horn dispersion difference between the 2 and most of our shows are small to medium but I wonder if outside and in the bigger venues, the 835's would be a better choice for me.
However, my considerations are: 1) Not sure it will be cost effective due to the amount of larger and outside shows (or lack thereof) we do, and 2) I do not plan on getting 4 to use 2 per side to improve the dispersion coverage so I will have a larger area at the front of the stage affected by this BUT I will get higher levels further away.
There are some deals out there right now so I'm thinking ... maybe???
Or do I just have GAS again??
One more thought...... I could sell my 812's and my 815's and get 4 835's - and keep using my DSR112's for the smaller shows.
I was in a similar situation 2 years ago, decided to get 4x dB Technologies D12HP, instead of 2x 835Ps. I've used all 4 as FOH either for wider dispersion (they are each 60 x 40), or occasionally using the inner pair as a vocal-only aux. Subs are 4x PRX718XLFs.
Would 2x 835s have done better in some instances? Possibly - but that's also conjecture not having ABd them. On the other hand, there are many times the 4 dBs got used where 2x 835s would not have a been a suitable substitute ie re purposed as stage wedges, or a pair each sent out on a different job, or deployed as delay fills instead.
I too am curious about an all-SRX rig, but I wouldn't sell what I have now to get there as that would compromise utility i get from multiple smaller boxes.
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2 years ago when I was in the market to purchase my SRX800 series system, I came here asking about the SRX835p's and based on the sound advice I got, I chose against them and got the SRX815p's.
I love what I have for all the right reasons - and since then I have also added SRX812's to the mix too - but I see a lot of folks here are really blown away with the 835's even in the smaller venues.
I made my decision based on the horn dispersion difference between the 2 and most of our shows are small to medium but I wonder if outside and in the bigger venues, the 835's would be a better choice for me.
However, my considerations are: 1) Not sure it will be cost effective due to the amount of larger and outside shows (or lack thereof) we do, and 2) I do not plan on getting 4 to use 2 per side to improve the dispersion coverage so I will have a larger area at the front of the stage affected by this BUT I will get higher levels further away.
There are some deals out there right now so I'm thinking ... maybe???
Or do I just have GAS again??
One more thought...... I could sell my 812's and my 815's and get 4 835's - and keep using my DSR112's for the smaller shows.
The passive 835 reminds me of the VP series of boxes. Incredible sound when used properly. You can't go wrong with this box Debbie.
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I was in a similar situation 2 years ago, decided to get 4x dB Technologies D12HP, instead of 2x 835Ps. I've used all 4 as FOH either for wider dispersion (they are each 60 x 40), or occasionally using the inner pair as a vocal-only aux. Subs are 4x PRX718XLFs.
Would 2x 835s have done better in some instances? Possibly - but that's also conjecture not having ABd them. On the other hand, there are many times the 4 dBs got used where 2x 835s would not have a been a suitable substitute ie re purposed as stage wedges, or a pair each sent out on a different job, or deployed as delay fills instead.
I too am curious about an all-SRX rig, but I wouldn't sell what I have now to get there as that would compromise utility i get from multiple smaller boxes.
If I didn't have my Yamaha DSRs I wouldn't think about selling my SRX tops that I have now. But assuming my DSR that was in the shop recently doesn't let me down, I I would still have scalability with what I have if I sold the SRX812's and 815's.
I also have 4 PRX712's which I use mainly for monitors when needed and I also use them in one particular venue where I refuse to take my more expensive tops. They sound fine for small bar applications.
So I really do have too many 12" speakers right now and trading up to 835's at the right price might give me more options down the road.....
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The passive 835 reminds me of the VP series of boxes. Incredible sound when used properly. You can't go wrong with this box Debbie.
I'm so tempted Bob...
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2 years ago when I was in the market to purchase my SRX800 series system, I came here asking about the SRX835p's and based on the sound advice I got, I chose against them and got the SRX815p's.
I love what I have for all the right reasons - and since then I have also added SRX812's to the mix too - but I see a lot of folks here are really blown away with the 835's even in the smaller venues.
I made my decision based on the horn dispersion difference between the 2 and most of our shows are small to medium but I wonder if outside and in the bigger venues, the 835's would be a better choice for me.
However, my considerations are: 1) Not sure it will be cost effective due to the amount of larger and outside shows (or lack thereof) we do, and 2) I do not plan on getting 4 to use 2 per side to improve the dispersion coverage so I will have a larger area at the front of the stage affected by this BUT I will get higher levels further away.
There are some deals out there right now so I'm thinking ... maybe???
Or do I just have GAS again??
One more thought...... I could sell my 812's and my 815's and get 4 835's - and keep using my DSR112's for the smaller shows.
For outdoors, the 835's are a great choice.
I have a pair of 815's too, and I chose them over the 835's for 2 reasons:
Coverage area
SIZE
The 835's are big, bulky SOBs. I wouldn't want to lug them around unless it were absolutely necessary. Using them in most bars will be WAY Overkill. Even the 815's feel like overkill in some bars.
For outdoor gigs with my band, the 815's hold their own nicely. We get compliments on our sound quality all the time. If we needed more, we'd probably be playing gigs where pro sound is provided.
If you're a band doing your own sound, I'd stick with your 815's and 812's. They are amazing!
If you're a pro sound company doing larger clubs and outdoor events, the 835's are a great bridge between speakers on poles & Line Array type stuff.
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If I didn't have my Yamaha DSRs I wouldn't think about selling my SRX tops that I have now. But assuming my DSR that was in the shop recently doesn't let me down, I I would still have scalability with what I have if I sold the SRX812's and 815's.
I also have 4 PRX712's which I use mainly for monitors when needed and I also use them in one particular venue where I refuse to take my more expensive tops. They sound fine for small bar applications.
So I really do have too many 12" speakers right now and trading up to 835's at the right price might give me more options down the road.....
Well, in that case - GAS away! :)
I too have bought before the need really arose, but when it does then you're good!
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For outdoors, the 835's are a great choice.
I have a pair of 815's too, and I chose them over the 835's for 2 reasons:
Coverage area
SIZE
The 835's are big, bulky SOBs. I wouldn't want to lug them around unless it were absolutely necessary. Using them in most bars will be WAY Overkill. Even the 815's feel like overkill in some bars.
For outdoor gigs with my band, the 815's hold their own nicely. We get compliments on our sound quality all the time. If we needed more, we'd probably be playing gigs where pro sound is provided.
If you're a band doing your own sound, I'd stick with your 815's and 812's. They are amazing!
If you're a pro sound company doing larger clubs and outdoor events, the 835's are a great bridge between speakers on poles & Line Array type stuff.
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Scott hit the nail on the head.
But, I also want to say, it is just GAS. Hard not to have it with all the great products out there on the market. I am completely envious of my friends who have a system that they are completely satisfied with and want for no more.
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The passive 835 reminds me of the VP series of boxes. Incredible sound when used properly. You can't go wrong with this box Debbie.
Isn't the passive box a whole different animal than the powered version ?
I'm not too familiar JBL........
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I'm so tempted Bob...
Bob is tempting? At his age? 8)
We have a friend who does weekend warrior setups and still has a band that plays occasionally. He had a pile of Ye Olde Skool gear (pro-type stuff, mostly) but it was big, heavy and sounded like it was 25 years old - which it was if not older.
He ended up with a pair of 835p and a pair of SRX828sp subs. Sweet sounding rig. Try to find a pair near you and go listen. I've not used/heard the 815 so can't compare.
That 60° x 40° thing is certainly a "nominal" spec that exists at the top end of each pass band. JBL no longer publishes polar plots :( but I think you can safely count on a slightly wider pattern, on average. How much wider? I didn't have a chance to run pink noise and listen so can't say for sure but I noticed another 10° or so with program material playing. Above 3kHz, it's def 60° though.
Don't take that as an indictment, all multi way systems (except one manufacturer, unnamed here) exhibit some extent of pass band "beaming" as frequency increases. When you cross over to the next pass band there's a pretty good chance the coverage is wider than "nominal" and begins to narrow as frequency increases; lather, rinse, repeat until you're out of pass bands. This effect has been called "Christmas tree" - remember when you were a kid and you'd draw triangles, bigger on bottom, overlapping a bit at the top of each one until your tree was done? That's what is happening in the horizontal for most all multi way loudspeakers.
Now about your GAS problem... yeah, it's real. I've looking forward to retirement in a few years and I'm still buying microphones and tools instead of paying down my mortgage. I *so* understand the 835 itch.. :)
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Bob is tempting? At his age? 8)
We have a friend who does weekend warrior setups and still has a band that plays occasionally. He had a pile of Ye Olde Skool gear (pro-type stuff, mostly) but it was big, heavy and sounded like it was 25 years old - which it was if not older.
He ended up with a pair of 835p and a pair of SRX828sp subs. Sweet sounding rig. Try to find a pair near you and go listen. I've not used/heard the 815 so can't compare.
That 60° x 40° thing is certainly a "nominal" spec that exists at the top end of each pass band. JBL no longer publishes polar plots :( but I think you can safely count on a slightly wider pattern, on average. How much wider? I didn't have a chance to run pink noise and listen so can't say for sure but I noticed another 10° or so with program material playing. Above 3kHz, it's def 60° though.
Don't take that as an indictment, all multi way systems (except one manufacturer, unnamed here) exhibit some extent of pass band "beaming" as frequency increases. When you cross over to the next pass band there's a pretty good chance the coverage is wider than "nominal" and begins to narrow as frequency increases; lather, rinse, repeat until you're out of pass bands. This effect has been called "Christmas tree" - remember when you were a kid and you'd draw triangles, bigger on bottom, overlapping a bit at the top of each one until your tree was done? That's what is happening in the horizontal for most all multi way loudspeakers.
Now about your GAS problem... yeah, it's real. I've looking forward to retirement in a few years and I'm still buying microphones and tools instead of paying down my mortgage. I *so* understand the 835 itch.. :)
Tim, Steve, Scott - my husband thanks you......
Bob and Trevor .... not so much (but I do !)
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Depending on the audience layout for a given show, another option would be to get 2x 835s for the primary PA and use either the 812s or 815s as fills where needed.
Even if you end up with 4x 835s, it would be nice to keep another pair in the same family for fills.
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For outdoors, the 835's are a great choice.
I have a pair of 815's too, and I chose them over the 835's for 2 reasons:
Coverage area
SIZE
The 835's are big, bulky SOBs. I wouldn't want to lug them around unless it were absolutely necessary. Using them in most bars will be WAY Overkill. Even the 815's feel like overkill in some bars.
For outdoor gigs with my band, the 815's hold their own nicely. We get compliments on our sound quality all the time. If we needed more, we'd probably be playing gigs where pro sound is provided.
If you're a band doing your own sound, I'd stick with your 815's and 812's. They are amazing!
If you're a pro sound company doing larger clubs and outdoor events, the 835's are a great bridge between speakers on poles & Line Array type stuff.
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This would be my reply as well. How are you going to get them up high when needed? Are your 815's running out of gas? Can you afford the narrow dispersion?
For me, the 835's would be no improvement, and I would be miserable lugging them around.
My 815's on poles over 818 sub's are used for our local summer concert series. Last summer, we had many shows with over 1000 attending. I went to the very back of this crowd, and was blown away at great it sounded. Not rock concert levels, of course.
I would spend my money on other upgrades.
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Depending on the audience layout for a given show, another option would be to get 2x 835s for the primary PA and use either the 812s or 815s as fills where needed.
Even if you end up with 4x 835s, it would be nice to keep another pair in the same family for fills.
Thanks Corey for bringing this up. Chris and I had considered this option - in fact it came up when I first bought the SRX series. Even if I used my SRx812's as fills, that could be a good compromise.
My other consideration that I forgot to mention in my fist post is the subject of raising those beasts up high. It is nice to be able to lift up the 12's and 15' on to stands I must admit. This was something else that geared me towards the SRX815p's 2 years ago. Not that the 15's or even the 12's are the lightest of tops but they are manageable with one person at least.
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This would be my reply as well. How are you going to get them up high when needed? Are your 815's running out of gas? Can you afford the narrow dispersion?
For me, the 835's would be no improvement, and I would be miserable lugging them around.
My 815's on poles over 818 sub's are used for our local summer concert series. Last summer, we had many shows with over 1000 attending. I went to the very back of this crowd, and was blown away at great it sounded. Not rock concert levels, of course.
I would spend my money on other upgrades.
Hey Steve,,,, I was typing my other response when you posted this.
Yes - the hoisting up of those 835's would be a buzz kill for sure. I agree, the SRX815 over 818 or 828 works well and for my purposes is probably more than I need......you guys are bringing me back down to earth a bit...
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Isn't the passive box a whole different animal than the powered version ?
I'm not too familiar JBL........
A quick look at jblpro.com on the USA site... there is no passive Venue Precision, which I do remember existing at one time. No mention of it on JBL's discontinued page but current passive "big boys" are the VTX "F" series
http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/tour-sound/vtx-f-series/csxf35
The powered VP boxes are very different animals when compared to their SRX cousins.
http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/tour-sound/vp-series/vp7315_64dp
http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/portable-market/srx800-series/srx835p
The basic specifications are numerically similar but I'd not count on these sounding the same. Different amps, different MF/HF horns, different transducers. I think we just found the "secret sauce"... ;)
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Some perspective - for MY benefit really.
NYE - band and DJ played through my system as most of you know. The drummer got some feedback from the promoter. Seems that this was the first year they had a band - usually just DJ's in the 4 ballrooms.
So, it seems that not only was the band a big hit and they are asking about availability for next year BUT they said that our room which is the main event, had the best sound they have ever had in there. They ALSO said that the transition from band to DJ was seamless .........Proud? - oh yes!.
Would it have made any difference if I had used SRX835's????
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Debbie you were one of the reasons I took the plunge and bought a pair of DSR12’s and now have 4 of them. Last night once again proved it was a great choice. I did hear the 835p last summer outdoors. I must say the mix was great and the 835 one per side sounded fantastic. Venue holds about 500 or so at a local amusement park. That said I have no problem running my DSR 12’s in that type of setting. Now what I don’t know is how much more horsepower the 835 would have in a 1000 seats for instance. This may not help either way in your choice but they sounded great to my ear. On a side note the I got some chat time with the sound provider as the drummer for the band could not be found. He apparently fell asleep in the hotel and never showed for the start time. A guy sitting in audience offered to go up and drum for the band and they were about to take the offer and their drummer shows up. Pushed the start 20 min.
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A quick look at jblpro.com on the USA site... there is no passive Venue Precision, which I do remember existing at one time. No mention of it on JBL's discontinued page but current passive "big boys" are the VTX "F" series
7 years ago we tried to use Passive VP boxes for an install, even tried to get JBL to custom shop them for us. With plenty of time on the build schedule we were told no dice from JBL. We ended up using AM series back then.
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Some perspective - for MY benefit really.
NYE - band and DJ played through my system as most of you know. The drummer got some feedback from the promoter. Seems that this was the first year they had a band - usually just DJ's in the 4 ballrooms.
So, it seems that not only was the band a big hit and they are asking about availability for next year BUT they said that our room which is the main event, had the best sound they have ever had in there. They ALSO said that the transition from band to DJ was seamless .........Proud? - oh yes!.
Would it have made any difference if I had used SRX835's????
You done good, Debbie, and we knew you would. Seriously.
Would 835s have made any difference? Other than the stripper pole lady having less pole?
In the eyes and ears of the person signing the cheque? The quick answer is "maybe". Do they have a preference for form factor? Does the 815/812 on stands/poles in subs look better or might they like the taller 835 on top of the subs? Would they think of the sonic difference as something worth paying more for?
Regardless, are they able to steer more work your way? If you spend $3000 on new speakers (plus covers, dollies/casters/levitation wizard) will it generate $9,000 in new/increased billing the first year?
You'd have a potent rig - 835 for mains, 812 for front/off stage l-r fills, wedges and subs. Oh, and lights. You could do a small community festival, a main stage and a kids stage or "b" stage. How much time and effort do you want to devote to being a sound company instead of primarily supporting Chris's band?
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7 years ago we tried to use Passive VP boxes for an install, even tried to get JBL to custom shop them for us. With plenty of time on the build schedule we were told no dice from JBL. We ended up using AM series back then.
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The JBL AM series is what the house system is at my house gig. I've had my SRX815p in there for an A-B comparison, and the SRX sounds better. It could be the house amps or processor though.
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You done good, Debbie, and we knew you would. Seriously.
Would 835s have made any difference? Other than the stripper pole lady having less pole?
In the eyes and ears of the person signing the cheque? The quick answer is "maybe". Do they have a preference for form factor? Does the 815/812 on stands/poles in subs look better or might they like the taller 835 on top of the subs? Would they think of the sonic difference as something worth paying more for?
Regardless, are they able to steer more work your way? If you spend $3000 on new speakers (plus covers, dollies/casters/levitation wizard) will it generate $9,000 in new/increased billing the first year?
You'd have a potent rig - 835 for mains, 812 for front/off stage l-r fills, wedges and subs. Oh, and lights. You could do a small community festival, a main stage and a kids stage or "b" stage. How much time and effort do you want to devote to being a sound company instead of primarily supporting Chris's band?
Well yes- the stripper pole thing wouldn't have happened so that is a plus I suppose.... but it is a tough sell really at that price along with - as you say- covers, dollies and then the cost to safely position over subs.
If Chris wasn't mainly a musician (after his day job that pays the bills ) then we would have done well I think in SF - both extremely hard working and motivated - me being such a geek- him being my rock etc etc etc....but I am really just support (with some added stuff thrown in) for the bands Chris is in and we do the odd show for venues and bands once in a while. So with that said, it is not cost effective or even sensible to spend the money on the SRX835's - at least new ones. Maybe if I come across a used deal at some point that is too good to turn down....
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Debbie you were one of the reasons I took the plunge and bought a pair of DSR12’s and now have 4 of them. Last night once again proved it was a great choice. I did hear the 835p last summer outdoors. I must say the mix was great and the 835 one per side sounded fantastic. Venue holds about 500 or so at a local amusement park. That said I have no problem running my DSR 12’s in that type of setting. Now what I don’t know is how much more horsepower the 835 would have in a 1000 seats for instance. This may not help either way in your choice but they sounded great to my ear. On a side note the I got some chat time with the sound provider as the drummer for the band could not be found. He apparently fell asleep in the hotel and never showed for the start time. A guy sitting in audience offered to go up and drum for the band and they were about to take the offer and their drummer shows up. Pushed the start 20 min.
Good to hear about the DSR's - they are STILL my primary go to speakers in most of the places we play.
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The more more more syndrome. With a Danley SM80/TH118 rig, sometimes I wish we had a little extra for an outdoors show with 500+ people in the audience. But our rig will still cover every show we ask it to do. For the few times we do big outdoor shows with our own system, renting extra matching gear would be cost-prohibitive with what we get paid. In your case I would think the 835 would be more of a sideways move, maybe a little improvement but not noticeable for the hassle of lugging that big unit around.
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You done good, Debbie, and we knew you would. Seriously.
Would 835s have made any difference? Other than the stripper pole lady having less pole?
In the eyes and ears of the person signing the cheque? The quick answer is "maybe". Do they have a preference for form factor? Does the 815/812 on stands/poles in subs look better or might they like the taller 835 on top of the subs? Would they think of the sonic difference as something worth paying more for?
Regardless, are they able to steer more work your way? If you spend $3000 on new speakers (plus covers, dollies/casters/levitation wizard) will it generate $9,000 in new/increased billing the first year?
You'd have a potent rig - 835 for mains, 812 for front/off stage l-r fills, wedges and subs. Oh, and lights. You could do a small community festival, a main stage and a kids stage or "b" stage. How much time and effort do you want to devote to being a sound company instead of primarily supporting Chris's band?
The 835 is true 3 way full range beast very, very similar to the now discontinued VP version of the same box. When I first heard them in a live environment with 828 subs under them I was shocked. So much so I initially envisioned VP series and expected to see just that. Having been an SRX owner for many years I've grown very fond of the 725s I own and not once have I regretted my purchase, except........ when I heard the 835's and found out what the street price for them was. By this time my system is built and proven, so when combined with my age and dwindling use I couldn't justify the purchase of 6 835's needed to replace the 725's I own.
However, looking at the current street price, and due to this conversation I now having an acute GAS attack. Great low price, great speaker, great sound, suspension points, pole cup, and 137db. Oh, and Debbie, you can put them right on top of your subs, which is what I've been doing for years with the 725's. No pole needed, and even this old guy can do the job by myself whenever I need to.
Go get em' girl.
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The 835 is true 3 way full range beast very, very similar to the now discontinued VP version of the same box. When I first heard them in a live environment with 828 subs under them I was shocked. So much so I initially envisioned VP series and expected to see just that. Having been an SRX owner for many years I've grown very fond of the 725s I own and not once have I regretted my purchase, except........ when I heard the 835's and found out what the street price for them was. By this time my system is built and proven, so when combined with my age and dwindling use I couldn't justify the purchase of 6 835's needed to replace the 725's I own.
However, looking at the current street price, and due to this conversation I now having an acute GAS attack. Great low price, great speaker, great sound, suspension points, pole cup, and 137db. Oh, and Debbie, you can put them right on top of your subs, which is what I've been doing for years with the 725's. No pole needed, and even this old guy can do the job by myself whenever I need to.
Go get em' girl.
Ooh Bob... maybe if you get a pair, I can live the fantasy through you....
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IMO, going from a 15" 2-way to a 15" 3-way should give some sonic improvement, particularly if the 3-way 15" has a dedicated bass driver rather than the mid-bass in the 2-way box.
I'd recommend renting/borrowing one for a day, and try moving it around. Up/down stairs, in/out of the van, etc etc.
A 15" 2-way isn't too bad (though the SSE Betamax I grew up with aren't light at 95lbs), but a 3-way adds a bit more weight and a bit more bulk and end up a lot more difficult to throw around at 5am after a show.
We've never met, so I've no idea if you'd be able to do that sort of lifting or not, but it's a serious consideration if you're ever going to set this rig up alone.
Chris
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IMO, going from a 15" 2-way to a 15" 3-way should give some sonic improvement, particularly if the 3-way 15" has a dedicated bass driver rather than the mid-bass in the 2-way box.
I'd recommend renting/borrowing one for a day, and try moving it around. Up/down stairs, in/out of the van, etc etc.
A 15" 2-way isn't too bad (though the SSE Betamax I grew up with aren't light at 95lbs), but a 3-way adds a bit more weight and a bit more bulk and end up a lot more difficult to throw around at 5am after a show.
We've never met, so I've no idea if you'd be able to do that sort of lifting or not, but it's a serious consideration if you're ever going to set this rig up alone.
Chris
Oh my goodness ... it's not me that has to deal with the weight - it's my poor husband!! I can't even lift the 12's or 15's up on to stands by myself. The DSR's are tough for me too. I don't have the same upper body strength as a man, so Chris does the hauling, lifting of speakers and I bring in the stuff on wheels and do the set up/tear down.
Another reason why the SRX835 is not selling well to Chris!
Regarding the low end enhancement - I ALWAYS use subs when low end is needed so maybe that isn't too much of a consideration.
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This would be my reply as well. How are you going to get them up high when needed? Are your 815's running out of gas? Can you afford the narrow dispersion?
For me, the 835's would be no improvement, and I would be miserable lugging them around.
My 815's on poles over 818 sub's are used for our local summer concert series. Last summer, we had many shows with over 1000 attending. I went to the very back of this crowd, and was blown away at great it sounded. Not rock concert levels, of course.
I would spend my money on other upgrades.
Steve,
Pardon the swerve, but weren't you prevous using DSRs for this application? If my memory is correct; how did they do compared to the 815s?
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Oh my goodness ... it's not me that has to deal with the weight - it's my poor husband!! I can't even lift the 12's or 15's up on to stands by myself. The DSR's are tough for me too. I don't have the same upper body strength as a man, so Chris does the hauling, lifting of speakers and I bring in the stuff on wheels and do the set up/tear down.
Another reason why the SRX835 is not selling well to Chris!
Regarding the low end enhancement - I ALWAYS use subs when low end is needed so maybe that isn't too much of a consideration.
Sorry if I missed this in the thread, but would speakers this size change your transportation situation? (would you need a second or bigger vehicle)?
I remember a while back when I was using JBL SR4732X boxes, I needed a minivan. When I slimmed down just a tad to SRX722s, I was able to ditch the van and just use SUV, which was of HUGE value to me. Just don't know if going to bigger boxes is going to cause you any additional cost in that way?
Or course all this talk is making me want to go listen to a pair of 835s.
*derail - I'm doing a speaker shootout at my place today (to try and determine what gear I need to sell just to make space).
I'm looking to keep just enough speakers for a small system (50-250 ppl) and one medium system (250-400 ppl).
Will be playing with all different Sub/Top combinations.
Subs (2 SRX728, 4 SRX718s, 2 RCF ART800a). Tops (JBL SRX722s, RCF NX24a, JBL SRX812s, Yami DSR112s, Turbo iQ12s).
So some of the above will be up for sale soon.
And for all those who recommend the DSR112s, you were all right. Those speakers are really growing on me. Played with them this past Saturday, and had a chance to step out front mid set....wow they sounded crystal clear.
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Sorry if I missed this in the thread, but would speakers this size change your transportation situation? (would you need a second or bigger vehicle)?
I remember a while back when I was using JBL SR4732X boxes, I needed a minivan. When I slimmed down just a tad to SRX722s, I was able to ditch the van and just use SUV, which was of HUGE value to me. Just don't know if going to bigger boxes is going to cause you any additional cost in that way?
Or course all this talk is making me want to go listen to a pair of 835s.
*derail - I'm doing a speaker shootout at my place today (to try and determine what gear I need to sell just to make space).
I'm looking to keep just enough speakers for a small system (50-250 ppl) and one medium system (250-400 ppl).
Will be playing with all different Sub/Top combinations.
Subs (2 SRX728, 4 SRX718s, 2 RCF ART800a). Tops (JBL SRX722s, RCF NX24a, JBL SRX812s, Yami DSR112s, Turbo iQ12s).
So some of the above will be up for sale soon.
And for all those who recommend the DSR112s, you were all right. Those speakers are really growing on me. Played with them this past Saturday, and had a chance to step out front mid set....wow they sounded crystal clear.
It is a bit tight in the mini van as it is so yes Jay, that would be consideration. However, when we deploy the bigger rig, which would include the 835's, we take the trailer anyway so it wouldn't affect those shows.
Pleased you like the DSR's.....what's not to like? - LOL
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You don't need to put them on stands. Set them on top of your subs and the height will be just about perfect every time. One person can put them on the subs even at 100lbs. Grab the side handles, give them a hug, lift onto sub. Easy peasey.
They're calling you Debbie. You know you want them.
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Steve,
Pardon the swerve, but weren't you prevous using DSRs for this application? If my memory is correct; how did they do compared to the 815s?
No, I still have and use my lesser system - A PRX600 series rig. Much lighter weight, and still sounds good. I use it when I don't need the horsepower. Except for a few times experimenting, my DSR's are strictly monitors.
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You don't need to put them on stands. Set them on top of your subs and the height will be just about perfect every time. One person can put them on the subs even at 100lbs. Grab the side handles, give them a hug, lift onto sub. Easy peasey.
They're calling you Debbie. You know you want them.
Bob, only one of her subs is tall enough. The rest are single 18s.
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You don't need to put them on stands. Set them on top of your subs and the height will be just about perfect every time. One person can put them on the subs even at 100lbs. Grab the side handles, give them a hug, lift onto sub. Easy peasey.
They're calling you Debbie. You know you want them.
The SRX835p is pretty well balanced, too. It's not top-heavy and front-to-back is pretty even as well. It's much easier handling the 85 lbs than one might otherwise assume.
The way we stack speakers with similar form factor takes 3 people (but we're lifting speakers that are 2x the weight of the 835) - place the top box upright with its back against the grille of the subwoofer. With a person on each side of the top box and 1 person a couple feet downstage, tip the top box forward to the downstage person who "catches" it at roughly a 45° angle; the helpers on each side lift grasp the bottom handles and lift the top box until it's "tabled", parallel to the floor. The helpers with the bottom of the speaker continue lifting the top box until its bottom front edge is on top of the subwoofer (the top of the top box will probably be lower than the bottom if the sub is more than waist high). The 3 helpers then "walk" or "Iwo Jima" the top into the upright position. Strap together. Reverse to load out.
Note that it takes longer to describe that it does to actually do... maybe <30 seconds per speaker.
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You don't need to put them on stands. Set them on top of your subs and the height will be just about perfect every time. One person can put them on the subs even at 100lbs. Grab the side handles, give them a hug, lift onto sub. Easy peasey.
They're calling you Debbie. You know you want them.
I can see that working well Bob. I'd need strapping for stability presumably.
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Bob, only one of her subs is tall enough. The rest are single 18s.
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That's right Rob. I suppose I'd be able to use this method when I use the 828 on one side and the 818's stacked on the other.
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I stack 725s on top of 718's and the height is perfect. I suspect the same can be done with the 818.
You know you want them Debbie.
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It is a bit tight in the mini van as it is so yes Jay, that would be consideration. However, when we deploy the bigger rig, which would include the 835's, we take the trailer anyway so it wouldn't affect those shows.
Now I'll play devils advocate on Chris' behalf :)
If you can start sourcing bigger, higher profile shows where the 835s will carry on where the 2-ways leave off - then maybe you can up your rates to add a dogsbody/stagehand to the production budget. That way the two of you aren't working harder for the same coin with a rig that is more rig than needed for the gig, with the only payoff is your own satisfaction of having them there.
Lugging nice-but-overkill gear is fun... the first 2, maybe 3 times.
Swinging it back your way, if you can figure some kind off dolly/roll/tilt/pack system that is easy to deploy and strike then it becomes satisfying to haul around. It might even land you bigger gigs if discerning clients see you can manage your own production.
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That's right Rob. I suppose I'd be able to use this method when I use the 828 on one side and the 818's stacked on the other.
Hey Debbie, I've been trying to send you a PM. Will you check your inbox?
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Hey Debbie, I've been trying to send you a PM. Will you check your inbox?
Sorry Steve - nothing there.
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Sorry Steve - nothing there.
I just deleted some messages in case my inbox is too full so try again Steve.
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I have had four of the SRX835P's for a couple of years now and I could not be happier. They have replaced my stolen SRX 722's and they are definitely an improvement. I have SRX 812P's that I use for smaller gigs and weddings but I bring out the big boys over PRX 718XLF's for the larger gigs.
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Is that your rig per side? I have 4x PRX718s myself... that looks like a nice stack. Now its making me GAS!
I can't help but think the 835s would outrun the 718s. What's your experience?
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"You're killing me Larry!"....... :-\
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Is that your rig per side? I have 4x PRX718s myself... that looks like a nice stack. Now its making me GAS!
I can't help but think the 835s would outrun the 718s. What's your experience?
Yes, that would be one stack per side. None of my speakers “outrun” anything. I control the levels of my cabinets.
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None of my speakers “outrun” anything.
I bet some of mine could outrun me down a hill. Good thing it's never come to that. ;)
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Debbie have you ever pushed the SRX812p to clipping? I have but I play very loud towards the end of the night, if the audience is into it.
I just can’t see the 835s be a drastic difference on the extra 2dB.
Also, I use a crank pole and lift the SRXs high enough (8 feet or more) so that the audience really close to the stage does not get blown at over 128 dB. You can’t do the same things with the SXR835p.
It looks like a sideways expensive move, with extra weight that you never want.
EDIT: Also the SRX812p are not missing any Mids at all, and the 12” versus 15” is not worth it unless you don’t use Subs. Just extra weight.
A friendly hi to your husband.
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I bet some of mine could outrun me down a hill. Good thing it's never come to that. ;)
Wheel chocks and sand bags, Corey!
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Debbie have you ever pushed the SRX812p to clipping? I have but I play very loud towards the end of the night, if the audience is into it.
I just can’t see the 835s be a drastic difference on the extra 2dB.
Also, I use a crank pole and lift the SRXs high enough (8 feet or more) so that the audience really close to the stage does not get blown at over 128 dB. You can’t do the same things with the SXR835p.
It looks like a sideways expensive move, with extra weight that you never want.
EDIT: Also the SRX812p are not missing any Mids at all, and the 12” versus 15” is not worth it unless you don’t use Subs. Just extra weight.
A friendly hi to your husband.
Thanks for the input John. I had my SRX815's go into limiting for a short time till I turned them down a bit when the DJ went through the PA on NYE - but it was quite a bit louder than what I normally do with live music to be fair.
I have to say that the extra weight and logistics of raising them up is holding me back from the 835's right now. Chris is digging his heels in too...
I will say hi for you!
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Debbie have you ever pushed the SRX812p to clipping? I have but I play very loud towards the end of the night, if the audience is into it.
I just can’t see the 835s be a drastic difference on the extra 2dB.
Also, I use a crank pole and lift the SRXs high enough (8 feet or more) so that the audience really close to the stage does not get blown at over 128 dB. You can’t do the same things with the SXR835p.
It looks like a sideways expensive move, with extra weight that you never want.
EDIT: Also the SRX812p are not missing any Mids at all, and the 12” versus 15” is not worth it unless you don’t use Subs. Just extra weight.
A friendly hi to your husband.
I think you need to audition them side by side in a couple different environments. The "single number" specs do not define or differentiate how these sound in comparison. While arguably voiced in the same family they do not sound identical, particularly as you go off-axis in the horizontal. Your brain will tell you the 835 sounds "bigger" and "focused" even if the SPL meter shows only a 2 dB difference.
JBL's VerTec 4880 and 4880A subs spec nearly identical - a couple Hz here and there, a dB or 2... but there's a difference you can FEEL. The numbers do not tell the acoustic story.
Getting height on any heavy speaker is a challenge. The options tend to have their own downsides; either flimsy or scary (tripods, pole in sub), present aesthetic issues (tripod crank lifts, Genie towers, Vermette lifts) or are expensive (rated tower & truss, rigging to structure).
In the end the 835p is another tool for the box. For Debbie the question is mostly "do you need this tool, will it make your gig better, will it impress clients (band or provider), will it help make money or save money? If enough answers are yes then the purchase should get a closer look.
YMMV.
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So curious if anyone may have insight, experience, and/or factual info as to how the passive version with possible appropriate Crown I-Tech powered & V.5 tunings compares to the self-powered for tonality and limits.
Other than the weight difference of the passive 95 lbs. vs. the powered 85 lbs., specs are so similar that numbers bear little help.
As for Debbie, i ask is your motivation for this model that of aiming for the some level up from your current arsenal of the DSR`s or the SRx`s, trying to stick with the single per-side, S.O.S., point & shoot, or as mentioned, G.A.S. sparked by some promotion advert ?
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As for Debbie, i ask is your motivation for this model that of aiming for the some level up from your current arsenal of the DSR`s or the SRx`s, trying to stick with the single per-side, S.O.S., point & shoot, or as mentioned, G.A.S. sparked by some promotion advert ?
YES ! :D
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Froggybottompa.com Most of the videos are cell phone, but you can see where and how I'm using 835's
2 years ago when I was in the market to purchase my SRX800 series system, I came here asking about the SRX835p's and based on the sound advice I got, I chose against them and got the SRX815p's.
I love what I have for all the right reasons - and since then I have also added SRX812's to the mix too - but I see a lot of folks here are really blown away with the 835's even in the smaller venues.
I made my decision based on the horn dispersion difference between the 2 and most of our shows are small to medium but I wonder if outside and in the bigger venues, the 835's would be a better choice for me.
However, my considerations are: 1) Not sure it will be cost effective due to the amount of larger and outside shows (or lack thereof) we do, and 2) I do not plan on getting 4 to use 2 per side to improve the dispersion coverage so I will have a larger area at the front of the stage affected by this BUT I will get higher levels further away.
There are some deals out there right now so I'm thinking ... maybe???
Or do I just have GAS again??
One more thought...... I could sell my 812's and my 815's and get 4 835's - and keep using my DSR112's for the smaller shows.
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I'm also considering SRX835p for outdoor gigs.
I suggest you check with Mike Pyle on SM80 pricing. It's way closer than I thought it would be to an SRX rig. They would be so much easier to deploy, and by most accounts are in another league sonically.
I have yet to hear them however.
I've run the SRX835p both 1 and 2 per side, and I think they sound amazing. Definitely bigger sounding than the 812s IMO.
And then there's the JTR Noesis 3TX...
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Yes, that would be one stack per side. None of my speakers “outrun” anything. I control the levels of my cabinets.
But would say, SRX subs "hit harder" than the PRX? Would your system "Blow away" a similar QSC rig?
ok, I'm being facetious... but I should have known not to ask a question that belongs on a DJ forum. Instead I (genuinely) would like to know:
1. If the SRX have a HPF applied to them
2. If so, are you using the crossover in the PRX, SRX or an external processor?
3. If either of the latter - at what frequency/frequencies, and db/octave slopes.
4. Any external HPF on the PRXs?
5. What program material do you typically run through this system - and have you ever run out of headroom on either or both the mains or subs?
6. If you have - what size venue, material, indoor/outdoor has your system reached its limits?
Any insight much appreciated
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I have to say that the extra weight and logistics of raising them up is holding me back from the 835's right now. Chris is digging his heels in too...
I did this video a while back, showing how to put a 3-way 15" powered speaker onto tripod at pre-set height, easier and safer than tradition method for a 12" 2-way speaker.
https://youtu.be/xrwEtyTOPN8
It may help with your existing gear as well.
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I use the SRX835p a lot throughout the season. They are great for my level, and have had great ROI. The only downside to consider is the size and weight. With two people, they are an easy lift. They can be managed by one person, but you have to think it through and use leverage to your advantage. In my situation, the other consideration I have is transport. I bought a road case that a pair can sit in. The down side, the case is wide and heavy. Wheeling it alone is a chore if going up ramps, or on grass. Second, because of the width and height, it is almost impossible to get the lid off by a single person.
I would say, if you will be doing more outdoor events (over 3/4 of my work is outdoors), and have a reliable extra hand, they are absolutely a worth while investment.
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But would say, SRX subs "hit harder" than the PRX? Would your system "Blow away" a similar QSC rig?
ok, I'm being facetious... but I should have known not to ask a question that belongs on a DJ forum. Instead I (genuinely) would like to know:
1. If the SRX have a HPF applied to them
2. If so, are you using the crossover in the PRX, SRX or an external processor?
3. If either of the latter - at what frequency/frequencies, and db/octave slopes.
4. Any external HPF on the PRXs?
5. What program material do you typically run through this system - and have you ever run out of headroom on either or both the mains or subs?
6. If you have - what size venue, material, indoor/outdoor has your system reached its limits?
Any insight much appreciated
I don't know what "blow away" means. I can say that from a customer standpoint KW153 and two KW181's per side is the same billing as an ST/RX828 and a SRX835. Does the SRX sound better and get a little louder, sure. But not enough to show it as an upgrade to a customer.
I have an extensive KW inventory and a bit of ST/RX and we will try and put JBL at the larger venues but sometimes the KW's end up for logistic reasons and we have never had a complaint.
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Debbie have you ever pushed the SRX812p to clipping? I have but I play very loud towards the end of the night, if the audience is into it.
I just can’t see the 835s be a drastic difference on the extra 2dB.
Also, I use a crank pole and lift the SRXs high enough (8 feet or more) so that the audience really close to the stage does not get blown at over 128 dB. You can’t do the same things with the SXR835p.
It looks like a sideways expensive move, with extra weight that you never want.
EDIT: Also the SRX812p are not missing any Mids at all, and the 12” versus 15” is not worth it unless you don’t use Subs. Just extra weight.
A friendly hi to your husband.
Believe me, there is a huge difference in output between the 835 and the 812! As I said, I have both and the 2 dB difference you quote is meaningless in actual use.
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So I as well have been hit with a G.A.S. attack, having acquired a pair of SRX835p today, with another pair likely to follow in the not to distant future. And NAMM still to come. ARGHH !
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So I as well have been hit with a G.A.S. attack, having acquired a pair of SRX835p today, with another pair likely to follow in the not to distant future. And NAMM still to come. ARGHH !
Be sure to report back on your trials and tribulations once you have them dialed in properly.
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I think you need to audition them side by side in a couple different environments. The "single number" specs do not define or differentiate how these sound in comparison. While arguably voiced in the same family they do not sound identical, particularly as you go off-axis in the horizontal. Your brain will tell you the 835 sounds "bigger" and "focused" even if the SPL meter shows only a 2 dB difference.
JBL's VerTec 4880 and 4880A subs spec nearly identical - a couple Hz here and there, a dB or 2... but there's a difference you can FEEL. The numbers do not tell the acoustic story.
Getting height on any heavy speaker is a challenge. The options tend to have their own downsides; either flimsy or scary (tripods, pole in sub), present aesthetic issues (tripod crank lifts, Genie towers, Vermette lifts) or are expensive (rated tower & truss, rigging to structure).
In the end the 835p is another tool for the box. For Debbie the question is mostly "do you need this tool, will it make your gig better, will it impress clients (band or provider), will it help make money or save money? If enough answers are yes then the purchase should get a closer look.
YMMV.
I agree Tim, specially with the comparison test side by side. But to say “bigger” with no numbers is vague.
Thanks for the info on the Vertec Subs. I have been wondering for a while how they compare to SRX 18” Subs.
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I agree Tim, specially with the comparison test side by side. But to say “bigger” with no numbers is vague.
Thanks for the info on the Vertec Subs. I have been wondering for a while how they compare to SRX 18” Subs.
"Bigger" typically means the lows go lower and the highs go higher, possibly also better transient and phase response. It's why even at the same SPL a great speaker sounds better than a cheap one. SPL is only a basic comparison.
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I agree Tim, specially with the comparison test side by side. But to say “bigger” with no numbers is vague.
Thanks for the info on the Vertec Subs. I have been wondering for a while how they compare to SRX 18” Subs.
We own both VT4880 and SRX728 (and a couple of 828). While similar they are not the same in voicing. The 728 sounds "cheap" for lack of a better non-technical description. There are cabinet resonances that create an audible artifact around 58Hz that mostly defies taming with EQ. For most work that peak isn't a problem and sometimes it's welcomed (metal, hip hop).
The price of used 4880 is such that if I were buying for "value" and not concerned with matching up with other speaker systems I'd go with the 4880 over the next batch of 728s to be "found" at the warehouse in California (er, factory in Mexico). The 728 offers the feature of being a big flat box that give it more utility but the 4880 just sounds better to me.
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We own both VT4880 and SRX728 (and a couple of 828). While similar they are not the same in voicing. The 728 sounds "cheap" for lack of a better non-technical description. There are cabinet resonances that create an audible artifact around 58Hz that mostly defies taming with EQ. For most work that peak isn't a problem and sometimes it's welcomed (metal, hip hop).
The price of used 4880 is such that if I were buying for "value" and not concerned with matching up with other speaker systems I'd go with the 4880 over the next batch of 728s to be "found" at the warehouse in California (er, factory in Mexico). The 728 offers the feature of being a big flat box that give it more utility but the 4880 just sounds better to me.
I wonder if the SRX818p (powered) also has the same artifacts you mention of the unpowered 728.
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"Bigger" typically means the lows go lower and the highs go higher, possibly also better transient and phase response. It's why even at the same SPL a great speaker sounds better than a cheap one. SPL is only a basic comparison.
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Caleb I understand what you are saying, but the point I made was not that I don’t know what “bigger” means, but rather the values for SPL, frequency and dispersion, so the OP or any reader can have a more specific idea.
“Bigger” to you, could be very “small” to us.
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Caleb I understand what you are saying, but the point I made was not that I don’t know what “bigger” means, but rather the values for SPL, frequency and dispersion, so the OP or any reader can have a more specific idea.
“Bigger” to you, could be very “small” to us.
How is "perception" specified? After physics measurements are made how do we qualify and quantify the more subjective impressions that lead us to prefer certain loudspeakers?
Words must suffice when we do not have a convenient, single number to flog about.
Humans have been trying to describe the unquantifiable for a very long time - look at discussions of visual arts, music, drama... how these things affect individuals in similar or differing ways.
Long term it's important that we find ways to communicate these more ephemeral impressions in ways that are consistent and meaningful.
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We own both VT4880 and SRX728 (and a couple of 828). While similar they are not the same in voicing. The 728 sounds "cheap" for lack of a better non-technical description. There are cabinet resonances that create an audible artifact around 58Hz that mostly defies taming with EQ. For most work that peak isn't a problem and sometimes it's welcomed (metal, hip hop).
The price of used 4880 is such that if I were buying for "value" and not concerned with matching up with other speaker systems I'd go with the 4880 over the next batch of 728s to be "found" at the warehouse in California (er, factory in Mexico). The 728 offers the feature of being a big flat box that give it more utility but the 4880 just sounds better to me.
The SRX718 doesn't appear to have the same issue. By the way Tim, I still use the 551P-TAC right beside 718's. Can't kill the 2242s and what you mention in your post may be the reason they work together as well as they do. All of the JBL 2268 and 2242 boxes tend to work well together, as I'm sure you already know.
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How is "perception" specified? After physics measurements are made how do we qualify and quantify the more subjective impressions that lead us to prefer certain loudspeakers?
Words must suffice when we do not have a convenient, single number to flog about.
Humans have been trying to describe the unquantifiable for a very long time - look at discussions of visual arts, music, drama... how these things affect individuals in similar or differing ways.
Long term it's important that we find ways to communicate these more ephemeral impressions in ways that are consistent and meaningful.
People tend to listen with their eyes, and even more so when relating to published specifications prior to actually hearing the box, system, etc.. How many times to we read about the incredibly loud box with the peak output of 139-142db?? Another meaningless and CALCULATED number. Any box capable of sustained 130db output will tear your head off, but the key is sustained and for how long. Even more important is the rated distortion at those levels, plus the fact 99% of the "educated" users will never reach those peaks in sustained output to begin with.
My 68 1/2 Boss 302 had 10 extra HP because it had fuel injected lug nuts. Same thing applies to sound.
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I'm also considering SRX835p for outdoor gigs.
I suggest you check with Mike Pyle on SM80 pricing. It's way closer than I thought it would be to an SRX rig. They would be so much easier to deploy, and by most accounts are in another league sonically.
I have yet to hear them however.
I've run the SRX835p both 1 and 2 per side, and I think they sound amazing. Definitely bigger sounding than the 812s IMO.
And then there's the JTR Noesis 3TX...
I sold my SRX835's for the JTR Noesis 3TX last year and i can tell you yes the JTR is in another league...Loved the SRX835p sound and sexy looks but for outdoor use for Reggae and Soca music i felt i needed more
When i first received the 3tx noesis i was shocked and amazed at how small it was...side by side against the srx835 i said to myself no way in hell it could put out more output than the srx835 and boy was i wrong...the jtr noesis is lighter in weight and sonically superior to the srx 835
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How many times to we read about the incredibly loud box with the peak output of 139-142db?? Another meaningless and CALCULATED number.
They do actually measure those numbers. Send an burst signal to the speakers and push the fader until the reading won't go up any more. Doesn't matter if the LF driver was limiting 10dB ago, they'll carry on. If you were to replace the test signal with anything else, the speakers would likely burn up very quickly as the test relies on a very short signal that won't give the drivers any thermal stress.
If you ask me, they might as well be dropping the speakers off buildings and seeing how loud it is when they hit the ground. The data is about as useful.
Chris
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They do actually measure those numbers. Send an burst signal to the speakers and push the fader until the reading won't go up any more. Doesn't matter if the LF driver was limiting 10dB ago, they'll carry on. If you were to replace the test signal with anything else, the speakers would likely burn up very quickly as the test relies on a very short signal that won't give the drivers any thermal stress.
If you ask me, they might as well be dropping the speakers off buildings and seeing how loud it is when they hit the ground. The data is about as useful.
Chris
For those of us who've been around since mid-last century... there were all kinds of finger pointing "liars" back when home HiFi/stereo was a huge business. The "Institute of High Fidelity" had their standards for distortion, power and bandwidth measurements, IEC had another, there were others (Peak Power, burst, etc) and finally the US Federal Trade Commission weighed in with some regulations regarding power output but that was it.
As Ivan says, the great thing about standards is having so many to choose from.
From a manufacturer's POV consumers are largely stupid, the vast majority of them making decisions based on easily promoted distinctions that appeal to the 'more, louder, bigger' based emotions. This human condition of wanting simple & obvious distinctions gave way to reliance on single-number specs and/or use of criteria that are, at the end of the wire, not terribly important. So long as the number is bigger or perhaps smaller than the competition, it's fair game.
It would make me happy to see specifications, even single numbers, from multiple measurement criteria - real RMS output like Crown used to brag about; burst power, bandwidth-limited output, power at a target distortion, etc. Won't happen, as it makes it easier for competitors to target each other. Same applies for loudspeakers.
Because we get feed marketing specs that are based in maybe 20% reality it's more important than ever to audition gear before committing to large purchases. The cost of a trip to see, hear and touch a prospective system or item can be worth it, either to confirm the choice or especially to find out you'd have regretted buying that system or item.