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Our little company has been working a two day hippie festival for the past 3 years. Last year we found out that local security company was calling it quits and would no longer be doing crowd control.
So what do most of you guys do for crowd control security. This event is a BYOB camping event , gets a little rough at times.
I have contacted other local security companys in our area and they will not do crowd control.
This event is in Topeka, KS
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Sounds like there was a problem and everyone's trying to keep their hands clean this year.
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The story I got was. Two security gards after hours and 15 drunk guys and a brick.
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Our little company has been working a two day hippie festival for the past 3 years. Last year we found out that local security company was calling it quits and would no longer be doing crowd control.
So what do most of you guys do for crowd control security. This event is a BYOB camping event , gets a little rough at times.
I have contacted other local security companys in our area and they will not do crowd control.
This event is in Topeka, KS
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Problems at Wakarusa?
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tim
Close. Its a small festival that came about due to Wakarusa moving to arkansas. Its called Truckhenge. Nothing to big but with out proper security I told them I cant do the shows. So I thought I would help them find some real crowd control companies and not the good ol local boys.
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This sounds like more of a venue/promoter thing honestly. If it has become your problem I would be charging the difference that hiring security is gonna cost.
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Dave
Thats kinda my point. I told them if they cant provide proper security, I cant do the event. So being the nice guy I am, I thought I would lead them in the right direction.
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Cool, was just checking there. Didn't want to see somebody get stuck with the expense and hassle when it is clearly not part of their job.
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not sure the nature of your event, but the local Hells Angels have been hired to provide security for certain types of events around here, on occasion.
R~
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I'm having deja vu :o
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not sure the nature of your event, but the local Hells Angels have been hired to provide security for certain types of events around here, on occasion.
I'm having deja vu :o
Ya think?
Mac
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Wait! There's catfish, too?
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not sure the nature of your event, but the local Hells Angels have been hired to provide security for certain types of events around here, on occasion.
R~
Its kinda funny you say that. One of the local MC has offered there services. But I know the story of Altamont and I'm a little sceptical that they will not provide the proof of inshurance that I need. ::)
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Have you considered contacting the local sheriff to see if some of their off duty deputies might be interested? Of course, if it is indeed a hippie fest, they might have a problem "looking the other way"
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Maybe incorporate some of Eric Cartman's methods?
http://facebookcan.com/video-south-park-09x02-die-hippie-die-part-2-hq.html (http://facebookcan.com/video-south-park-09x02-die-hippie-die-part-2-hq.html)
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Our little company has been working a two day hippie festival for the past 3 years. Last year we found out that local security company was calling it quits and would no longer be doing crowd control.
So what do most of you guys do for crowd control security. This event is a BYOB camping event , gets a little rough at times.
I have contacted other local security companys in our area and they will not do crowd control.
This event is in Topeka, KS
KVHP Security.... Kaw Valley Hemp Pickers.
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This guy is looking for some recommendations as well.
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/evg/2200901468.html
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Appologies, this may be a bit off topic, but in the UK anyone providing security services in a public place must be SIA registered (http://www.sia.homeoffice.gov.uk/Pages/home.aspx)
Is there not a similar system in the US?
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Appologies, this may be a bit off topic, but in the UK anyone providing security services in a public place must be SIA registered (http://www.sia.homeoffice.gov.uk/Pages/home.aspx)
Is there not a similar system in the US?
Not at the national/federal level. Each unit of government is free to set standards for licensing/registration as they see fit. In my city, the local government has very specific requirements for owners, supervisors and workers. The county... eh, not so much. The State requires bonding and insurance and a criminal background check. The feds get involved only if one desires to provide security services to the federal government.
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It's regulated provincially in Canada, so it's different from province to province. In Ontario:
Under the Private Security & Investigative Services Act, individuals performing security work must be licensed.
Additionally, establishments employing in-house security guards must be registered with the Private Security & Investigative Service Branch.
Business entities selling the services of security guards are required to be licensed by the ministry and responsible for ensuring their security guards are licensed.
Business entities that provide security guard training must ensure courses comply with ministry standards, including a minimum of 40 hours of classroom training.
Persons convicted of working as unlicensed security guards are subject to a maximum fine of $25,000, under the PSIS Act and a year in custody.
Business entities convicted of PSIS Act offenses are subject to a maximum fine of $250,000 under the PSIS Act.
Officers and directors of companies may also be sentenced to a year in custody.
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Appologies, this may be a bit off topic, but in the UK anyone providing security services in a public place must be SIA registered (http://www.sia.homeoffice.gov.uk/Pages/home.aspx)
Is there not a similar system in the US?
oooo dear knew we were missing something lol
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3 Guys, Metal Detctor, Bullet Proof Vests, Pat Down Searches, And I will pay you $100.00 Dollars :o
[This guy is looking for some recommendations as well.
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/evg/2200901468.html]
Regards, John
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Bullet proof vests .. where you working lol
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I'm not sure I would be in too much of a hurry to recommend any security at all. That recommendation may just put you in the hot seat in the event there are problems, and you can bet there will be some. Let the promoter do what he's supposed to. If it works out and they provide the security you're all set. If not maybe next year, but at least you won't be occupied with court dates until then. Just some food for thought.
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Good advice ;)
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I find it amazing that there isnt a national regulatory body in the US for Security Companies.
It seems that, especially given past notorious 'security' related incidents that have occured at public events, this is a major oversight on behalf of the federal goverment.
For instance, if I was to hire a bonafide security company in the UK, I know, with out checking, that they are certified, insured, properly trained and that if there is a security related incident where someone is hurt, in most cases I cant be held responsible.
In the US you have no idea whether your hiring a professional security provider, or 'Joe' from down the street who used to fight in bars at the weekend and now markets himself as a 'security professional'. It seems that this would be especially important in the US, given the so called 'law suit' culture, as if anyone got hurt during the event, it could be argued that you didnt provide appropriate security, as 'Joe' hasnt recieved any training.
Interesting.....
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I find it amazing that there isnt a national regulatory body in the US for Security Companies.
It seems that, especially given past notorious 'security' related incidents that have occured at public events, this is a major oversight on behalf of the federal goverment.
For instance, if I was to hire a bonafide security company in the UK, I know, with out checking, that they are certified, insured, properly trained and that if there is a security related incident where someone is hurt, in most cases I cant be held responsible.
In the US you have no idea whether your hiring a professional security provider, or 'Joe' from down the street who used to fight in bars at the weekend and now markets himself as a 'security professional'. It seems that this would be especially important in the US, given the so called 'law suit' culture, as if anyone got hurt during the event, it could be argued that you didnt provide appropriate security, as 'Joe' hasnt recieved any training.
Interesting.....
It's that pesky US Constitution... the Federal government has no authority to regulate private security companies that do not operate in Interstate Commerce. It's up to the individual states and local governments to license and regulate them so long as those firms work within their jurisdictions.
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Our little company has been working a two day hippie festival for the past 3 years. Last year we found out that local security company was calling it quits and would no longer be doing crowd control.
So what do most of you guys do for crowd control security. This event is a BYOB camping event , gets a little rough at times.
I have contacted other local security companys in our area and they will not do crowd control.
This event is in Topeka, KS
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