Grant Conklin wrote on Thu, 14 January 2010 20:49 |
Do you have any pics of the monitors? |
Charlie Zureki wrote on Fri, 15 January 2010 05:44 |
I think I want to purchase a pair. Let me know when you start shipping. Thank You, Hammer |
Adam Whetham wrote on Fri, 15 January 2010 11:16 |
Wow, John do you have some spec's like weight and dimensions on these guys?? I'm interested in the 12" for across the front of our bands stage and the 15 for our drummer who has a digital kit. Whats the power rating on the 15 and 12 respectively? Do you have some pricing lined up? If you need to please PM me. I love the Coax design. |
Tim Weaver wrote on Fri, 15 January 2010 10:01 |
Is there a regular woofer that matches these coax woofers? I'm thinking a PAS style drum fill would be kickin'..... Or, for that matter it could be a FOH cabinet too. A double 12 plus horn where the top driver is a coax would definitely be an eye opener. |
Adam Whetham wrote on Fri, 15 January 2010 12:16 |
Wow, John do you have some spec's like weight and dimensions on these guys?? I'm interested in the 12" for across the front of our bands stage and the 15 for our drummer who has a digital kit. Whats the power rating on the 15 and 12 respectively? Do you have some pricing lined up? If you need to please PM me. I love the Coax design. |
Greg Cameron wrote on Fri, 15 January 2010 17:06 |
How do you propose dealing with covering/protecting the driver with that waveguide protruding? Seems like it sticks out quite a bit. Greg |
Greg Cameron wrote on Sat, 16 January 2010 01:27 |
The problem with just a basic grill with an arc is that it will need to be reinforced as if someone stands on it, it's going to press against the waveguide when it flexes. And you know someone is going to stand on it It seems like some type of perpendicular ribbing would be required on the to make it really strong. It will be interesting to see can be done. Greg |
Kristian Johnsen wrote on Sat, 16 January 2010 15:07 | ||
Wouldn't this be very close in design to the Microwedge? They are stand-proof. |
Greg Cameron wrote on Sun, 17 January 2010 00:51 | ||||
The waveguide in the MicroWedge is very small and under the dust cap of the woofer. It uses the cone as a continuation of the guide. So in that case, there is no protrusion of the waveguide. The profile is the same as a plane woofer. Greg |
Tim Weaver wrote on Fri, 15 January 2010 09:01 |
Is there a regular woofer that matches these coax woofers? I'm thinking a PAS style drum fill would be kickin'..... Or, for that matter it could be a FOH cabinet too. A double 12 plus horn where the top driver is a coax would definitely be an eye opener. |
Bennett Prescott wrote on Fri, 15 January 2010 09:38 |
Weogo, I know I'm not supposed to talk about boxes, but hopefully I'm allowed to praise the work of some fellow LABsters... |
Tim Weaver wrote on Fri, 15 January 2010 12:56 |
Does Assistance carry the 12CN680 yet? And at what price? |
Art Welter wrote on Fri, 15 January 2010 17:20 | ||
Makes it easier to know where to drop your beer |
Tim Weaver wrote on Fri, 15 January 2010 11:01 |
Is there a regular woofer that matches these coax woofers? I'm thinking a PAS style drum fill would be kickin'..... Or, for that matter it could be a FOH cabinet too. A double 12 plus horn where the top driver is a coax would definitely be an eye opener. |
Tim Weaver wrote on Fri, 15 January 2010 11:01 |
Is there a regular woofer that matches these coax woofers? I'm thinking a PAS style drum fill would be kickin'..... Or, for that matter it could be a FOH cabinet too. A double 12 plus horn where the top driver is a coax would definitely be an eye opener. |
Tim McCulloch wrote on Mon, 25 January 2010 23:15 |
Hi Winston- Jack took a side trip to Wichita while crossing the USA on the Assistance Audio Roadshow, and I got to hear several products. I liked the wedge a lot. It had a voicing I liked, and I found it very clear without being too in-your-face. If you get a chance, listen to Jack's other speakers. I think you'll like them. Have fun, good luck. Tim Mc |
Weogo Reed wrote on Thu, 14 January 2010 20:31 |
Hi Y'all, For almost a year now I've been using a wedge with a 15" BMS 15C682 coax imported by Jack Arnott at Assistance Audio. The box is from Assistance Audio's Live Sound Division, and only the components are available for purchase, not the boxes. http://www.assistanceaudio.com/02_coaxials.html It has an excellent, low-loss, passive crossover designed by Curtis List "Too Tall". The crossover design comes with the coax, or Curtis can build crossovers for you. The complete wedge weighs about 35#. The 15" neo coax is about 11.5#, and the crossover is over 7#. The box has a dual-angle design with 35 and 55 degree tilt angles. The foam-backed stainless steel grill is a nice touch. This wedge is a monster. It goes quite loud on modest power.(Am regularly using a QSC CX404 for four monitor mixes, 250 watts/channel.) I can put this wedge in front of deaf Louisiana Accordion players, bring it up and have them smile. A local Mandolin player who is hard of hearing loves this box. He plays with a pickup and a mic, and I can get lots of pickup AND mic in the wedge. This wedge requires very little, if any EQ. Coverage is fairly tight, but the 'sweet spot' of best sound isn't a tight bullet. The wedge will cover two musicians who are close together. The box is smaller, and much lighter, than some 12" wedges I have used. Being passively crossed and only needing one amp channel also contributes to the lightweight theme. For those looking for a high-clarity, high-output box in a compact, lightweight package, I suggest you consider this. Continuing the BMS theme, I will soon have a pair of boxes with the 12" BMS 12CN680 coax from Jack Arnott, with crossovers designed by Curtis List, and boxes by John Halliburton. j_challiburton@sbcglobal.net cell: 847-971-0462 John's main objective is to help develop cabinet designs, prototype them, and then offer production at a fully outfitted CNC shop he has been working with: WW Displays: http://www.ww-speakercabinets.com/ I'll report on these boxes after using them for a while. http://bmsspeakers.com/cone-speaker-compression-driver/bms-c oaxial-transducers/bms-coaxial-neodymium-transducer/bms-12cn 680-coaxial-transducer/12cn680-coaxial-transducer-intro/ Thanks to Jack Arnott, Curtis List and John Halliburton for their commitment to high quality audio! Good health, Weogo Reed |
Art Welter wrote on Mon, 25 January 2010 20:55 |
Too Tall, Interesting charts! Could you post charts for frequency response and phase for the two coax monitors? Art Welter |
Art Welter wrote on Mon, 25 January 2010 20:55 |
Too Tall, Interesting charts! Could you post charts for frequency response and phase for the two coax monitors? Art Welter |
Art Welter wrote on Tue, 26 January 2010 15:56 |
Too Tall, Yep, that blue foam on the UREI co-ax horn wasn’t there just to make them look good. That extra reflected/delayed 1K stuff off the back of the HF horn really does not “enhance the presentation”. Thanks for posting the graphs. Makes me feel better about my 2x8” with tweeter monitors to see some real world tests that have not been massaged flat. What is the stuff you are using on the back of the 40x80 horn? Kind of looks like a knitting project . Art Welter |
Michael Strickland wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 18:58 |
I was just going to make a post asking why I don't see these BMS drivers around. Looks like they're finally getting some attention. On paper, these things look like beasts! High power, high efficiency, low weight, complete phase coherency... What's the pricing on the 15" Triaxial? Do they sound as good and get as loud as they spec out? |
Jack Arnott wrote on Thu, 04 February 2010 16:46 |
While I am proud to represent BMS, and think that they are the best sounding drivers in my small world, in reality I do nothing in this project other than import and sell. So lest this turn into a BMS love fest, I would like to tout the abilities of Curtis. Who is the best practical use crossover designer in the (my small) world. (With apologies to Tom.) So when Weogo and I are going to our gigs with no EQ for the monitors, and running from our board to amp to speaker. And not needing to deal with any controllers, or making sure the highs match the lows, only that we have signal; it is not because BMS has the flattest frequency response. It is because of Curtis' crossover designs, and his due diligence. So, more than to just toot his horn on this project, you should know that although he is my crossover guy, he could also be your crossover guy. Not a very thought of person in the live audio chain, but keep it in your mind for future projects. Regards, Jack |
Weogo Reed wrote on Fri, 05 February 2010 13:02 |
Hi Jack, With several boxes here with Too Tall's crossovers in them I can very much agree with your asssesment of his crossover design skills! Additionally, Curtis is a wonderful human being, and willing to share his wealth of knowledge and experience as to what does or does not work and why. Thanks Curtis! Good health, Weogo |