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New Danley speaker that is designed for home listening use. It incorporates FIR processing.
https://tomdanley.com/hyperion/
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New Danley speaker that is designed for home listening use. It incorporates FIR processing.
https://tomdanley.com/hyperion/
Actually the Studio 2 uses FIR filters as well
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New Danley speaker that is designed for home listening use. It incorporates FIR processing.
https://tomdanley.com/hyperion/
To me this entire new website smells odd and a major departure from the Danley culture.
Since when is a Danley product hyped with “watts” and “crossover points”? I remember Iven writing about the Danley crossovers are not the mainstream design and to specify a crossover frequency is wrong info. This entire new word press website Looks cheap and so not Danley.
When I first saw the video of Tom talking about the new signature products, It was clearly visible that Tom is not talking the way he used to talk, It looks like he was “acting” and very uncomfortable and unnatural while filming. And BTW, what happened to Doug Jones? No more videos from him? Is he still with the company? I don’t see his name on the website. And the Tech corner seems unpublished too... https://www.danleysoundlabs.com/tech-corner/
Bottom line, I have questions that bothers me and would love to make sense of all this...
Is it only me who has those questions?!
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To me this entire new website smells odd and a major departure from the Danley culture.
Since when is a Danley product hyped with “watts” and “crossover points”? I remember Iven writing about the Danley crossovers are not the mainstream design and to specify a crossover frequency is wrong info. This entire new word press website Looks cheap and so not Danley.
When I first saw the video of Tom talking about the new signature products, It was clearly visible that Tom is not talking the way he used to talk, It looks like he was “acting” and very uncomfortable and unnatural while filming. And BTW, what happened to Doug Jones? No more videos from him? Is he still with the company? I don’t see his name on the website. And the Tech corner seems unpublished too... https://www.danleysoundlabs.com/tech-corner/
Bottom line, I have questions that bothers me and would love to make sense of all this...
Is it only me who has those questions?!
I've never even seen a Danley speaker, let alone know anything about the company, but I wouldn't be too worried about DSL if I were you. In the "home audio connoisseur" market specifications (and the significance of their absence) are even less well understood than in live audio, and individuals buying their own use tend to be even more fickle (and overconfident in their knowledge) than the kinds of people who are DSL customers. I would guess that they figure not posting those sorts of specs (even if of dubious value) will significantly hamper sales to a much greater degree than it might in live audio.
Basically its horses for courses, but this time from the marketing department.
-Russ
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I've never even seen a Danley speaker, let alone know anything about the company, but I wouldn't be too worried about DSL if I were you. In the "home audio connoisseur" market specifications (and the significance of their absence) are even less well understood than in live audio, and individuals buying their own use tend to be even more fickle (and overconfident in their knowledge) than the kinds of people who are DSL customers. I would guess that they figure not posting those sorts of specs (even if of dubious value) will significantly hamper sales to a much greater degree than it might in live audio.
Basically its horses for courses, but this time from the marketing department.
-Russ
Good morning Ross,
Well, I thought about it allot, could be I’m wrong, and I would love to hear other’s opinions on this.
IMHO, someone who is looking for a Danley product, “Wants” a danley product and would look for the Danley theme of product information. Me - for example, Got novice customers who were looking for a great home speaker the Danley Go 2 8 cx. Without a sub. I have seen others usually the SM80f, sm100f, sm60f. Thatvis all because the customers were coached and now they love it.
On the other hand though, Marketing a Danley like any other home theater product, would get potential customers to look elsewhere and much cheaper options, vs the Danley fans who would rather get a SM or SH product instead of this new marketing name product because They lost the trust in this new product because marketing would dictate how the product development should go, and if it looks better for the marketing team, its marketing first and quality second. In other words; People can get the feel that Tom and his team have their hands tied to the marketing rules hence it’s not really Danley product and would not sound as good anymore
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Good morning Ross,
Well, I thought about it allot, could be I’m wrong, and I would love to hear other’s opinions on this.
I got opinions
IMHO, someone who is looking for a Danley product, “Wants” a danley product and would look for the Danley theme of product information.
Classic chicken and egg.... The problem is all the people who don't already know who/what Danley is. To expand into new markets requires marketing/merchandising in terms that market will relate to. I have long shared that consumers get the marketing they respond to, and reward with sales. Taking the high road can be lonely and unprofitable.
I've listened to bad advice from consumers about how to market products for decades, not that I am any better.
Me - for example, Got novice customers who were looking for a great home speaker the Danley Go 2 8 cx. Without a sub. I have seen others usually the SM80f, sm100f, sm60f. Thatvis all because the customers were coached and now they love it.
On the other hand though, Marketing a Danley like any other home theater product, would get potential customers to look elsewhere and much cheaper options, vs the Danley fans who would rather get a SM or SH product instead of this new marketing name product because They lost the trust in this new product because marketing would dictate how the product development should go, and if it looks better for the marketing team, its marketing first and quality second. In other words; People can get the feel that Tom and his team have their hands tied to the marketing rules hence it’s not really Danley product and would not sound as good anymore
I don't know more than I've seen shared here, but it sounds like bidness.... I wish them good luck.
JR
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There has been some discussion in the DSLUG forum about these, but not as to whether they are authentic or not.
Also note, they are marketed as 'Tom Danley' products, not Danley Sound Labs.
I suspect this is a way to differentiate into a different market.
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There has been some discussion in the DSLUG forum about these, but not as to whether they are authentic or not.
Also note, they are marketed as 'Tom Danley' products, not Danley Sound Labs.
I suspect this is a way to differentiate into a different market.
Note the web site is tomdanley.com, not danleysoundlabs.com. Splitting the consumer market to a "signature" series, perhaps.
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hi end is all about drama and mystique. Why give them specs they dont understand and they can use against you
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People can get the feel that Tom and his team have their hands tied to the marketing rules hence it’s not really Danley product and would not sound as good anymore
Trust me, it is 100% a Danley product. Designed by the same people, built in the same factory, using many of the existing/same drivers.
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{...} On the other hand though, Marketing a Danley like any other home theater product, would get potential customers to look elsewhere and much cheaper options {...}
I would guess (again, knowing very little) that Hyperion isn't aimed at the more value-conscious "home theatre" crowd, but instead at the small (and very lucrative) market of Hi-Fi enthusiasts with virtually unlimited budgets (e.g. the kind of people who spend more on speaker cables than I spent on my last car). For that market I wouldn't be shocked if those speakers cost 5 figures each.
As for DSL fans, I'd expect them to just buy DSL and be done with it (especially since I'm guessing DSL would be quite a bit cheaper).
-Russ
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New Danley speaker that is designed for home listening use. It incorporates FIR processing.
https://tomdanley.com/hyperion/
I would love to see "audiophile" loudspeaker manufacturers publish magnitude and phase measurements.
Maybe some do, I don't look at stuff much.
Anyone?
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I would love to see "audiophile" loudspeaker manufacturers publish magnitude and phase measurements.
Maybe some do, I don't look at stuff much.
Anyone?
I'm no expert in the subject, but a quick bit of search suggests at least that mag traces aren't uncommon.
-Russ
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And BTW, what happened to Doug Jones? No more videos from him? Is he still with the company? I don’t see his name on the website.
Good questions.
Ivan?
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Good questions.
Ivan?
Doug is no longer working for Danley.
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Trust me, it is 100% a Danley product. Designed by the same people, built in the same factory, using many of the existing/same drivers.
Thanks Ivan. Your reply means allot to me and perhaps everyone else.
I couldn’t hold back my brain of thinking about what could happen next... (my imagination...) Danley building line Arrays acoustically coupled into a single source (like the sh46 idea but vertically)
Market it as a Iven beaver signature product with its own website... selling for 8x the cost so it must be good... maybe add in the circuits some transistors to cut down in the income voltages, then advertise its can handle 50 thousand watts per box... for the Danley fans There will be a hidden switch to bypass the transistors and power it efficiently... I’m starting to think I want to join the marketing team...
Any way, jokes aside Let’s wish the entire team a good luck in their hard work. I’m sure its not so easy for Tom and Ivan to adjust to this marketing game and they would much rather enjoy if the world would be more educated and appreciate real science and listen with their ears not with their eyes.
Recently I did a big job with J1’s BC415 sm80’s for a very large area it sounded fantastic. The next event was high rollers and they wanted to “look good”, so they hired a company to hang multiple JBL line arrays with stacks of subs and racks of amps with outside electric. - I’m stopping here... to much pain. The main requirements was “looking wow”. #painful
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I wonder if the pandemic played into the decision to produce a consumer product. I imagine sales of professional sound reinforcement equipment took a big hit whereas home equipment may have had an increase in sales as people were spending much more time at home.
I like that Danley has decided to produce a speaker for the home. I’m certainly interested.
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Thanks Ivan. Your reply means allot to me and perhaps everyone else.
I couldn’t hold back my brain of thinking about what could happen next... (my imagination...) Danley building line Arrays acoustically coupled into a single source (like the sh46 idea but vertically)
Market it as a Iven beaver signature product with its own website... selling for 8x the cost so it must be good... maybe add in the circuits some transistors to cut down in the income voltages, then advertise its can handle 50 thousand watts per box... for the Danley fans There will be a hidden switch to bypass the transistors and power it efficiently... I’m starting to think I want to join the marketing team...
There is no "fluff" (except for maybe the feet it sits on) in the new products. Everything is true to the original Danley concepts/ideas. Single source, high sensitivity, flat response etc.
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I wonder if the pandemic played into the decision to produce a consumer product. I imagine sales of professional sound reinforcement equipment took a big hit whereas home equipment may have had an increase in sales as people were spending much more time at home.
In general it seems like install projects (where Danley tends to most popular) have continued trundling along despite the pandemic. A big makeover project can take a couple years, and audio is one of the last things installed.
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There is no "fluff" (except for maybe the feet it sits on) in the new products. Everything is true to the original Danley concepts/ideas. Single source, high sensitivity, flat response etc.
I escaped from the consumer audio side of the business back in the 80s because I perceived a rather nonlinear relationship between product performance and market success. Marketing and advertising will be more important the further you range from professional sound customers.
JR
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I escaped from the consumer audio side of the business back in the 80s because I perceived a rather nonlinear relationship between product performance and market success. Marketing and advertising will be more important the further you range from professional sound customers.
JR
Now why would you say such a thing? Maybe because that part of the industry has a LONG history of "beliefs"? HAHA
Here is one of my favorites. There is no use for it in live performances-because they are happening in the current time, but for recorded material, it is "essential" ------------------- or not?
A quick description of why it is "needed":
Let's say a recording was made of a live performance of Götterdämmerung with the Berliner Philharmoniker on July 21, 1930 between 12 Noon and 5 PM. During the performance the actual time coordinates of what was then Present Time - a unique time coordinate for each instant of the performance - are somehow captured on the recording along with the acoustic information of the musical instruments and singers. When the recording of Götterdämmerung is played at some point in the future - say, one day in 2010 - the stream of time coordinates from July 21, 1930 is projected into the listening room by the speakers along along with the acoustic information. The two out-of-synch streams of time coordinates - the Past Time coordinates from July 21, 1930 and the Present Time coordinates - confuse the listener and reduce his sensory acuity. So, even though the glorious sound of the Berliner Philharmoniker is reproduced in the room the listener cannot hear it in all its glory
This device "fixes" those issues.
You can read more here-if you want to hurt your brain
https://www.machinadynamica.com/machina42.htm
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Now why would you say such a thing? Maybe because that part of the industry has a LONG history of "beliefs"? HAHA
Here is one of my favorites. There is no use for it in live performances-because they are happening in the current time, but for recorded material, it is "essential" ------------------- or not?
A quick description of why it is "needed":
Let's say a recording was made of a live performance of Götterdämmerung with the Berliner Philharmoniker on July 21, 1930 between 12 Noon and 5 PM. During the performance the actual time coordinates of what was then Present Time - a unique time coordinate for each instant of the performance - are somehow captured on the recording along with the acoustic information of the musical instruments and singers. When the recording of Götterdämmerung is played at some point in the future - say, one day in 2010 - the stream of time coordinates from July 21, 1930 is projected into the listening room by the speakers along along with the acoustic information. The two out-of-synch streams of time coordinates - the Past Time coordinates from July 21, 1930 and the Present Time coordinates - confuse the listener and reduce his sensory acuity. So, even though the glorious sound of the Berliner Philharmoniker is reproduced in the room the listener cannot hear it in all its glory
This device "fixes" those issues.
You can read more here-if you want to hurt your brain
https://www.machinadynamica.com/machina42.htm
You forgot the smiley face emoticon.... ::)
The thing I preferred about live sound reinforcement is that it is difficult to BS an auditorium full of people about what they are hearing. 8)
JR
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Are these new products available at "hi-fi audio" stores or can you only buy them through a Danley dealer? It would be good to be able to go into a store to listen to them before a purchase. Also will pricing be available? I'd like to know if these speakers are in my ballpark.
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Now why would you say such a thing? Maybe because that part of the industry has a LONG history of "beliefs"? HAHA
Here is one of my favorites. There is no use for it in live performances-because they are happening in the current time, but for recorded material, it is "essential" ------------------- or not?
A quick description of why it is "needed":
Let's say a recording was made of a live performance of Götterdämmerung with the Berliner Philharmoniker on July 21, 1930 between 12 Noon and 5 PM. During the performance the actual time coordinates of what was then Present Time - a unique time coordinate for each instant of the performance - are somehow captured on the recording along with the acoustic information of the musical instruments and singers. When the recording of Götterdämmerung is played at some point in the future - say, one day in 2010 - the stream of time coordinates from July 21, 1930 is projected into the listening room by the speakers along along with the acoustic information. The two out-of-synch streams of time coordinates - the Past Time coordinates from July 21, 1930 and the Present Time coordinates - confuse the listener and reduce his sensory acuity. So, even though the glorious sound of the Berliner Philharmoniker is reproduced in the room the listener cannot hear it in all its glory
This device "fixes" those issues.
You can read more here-if you want to hurt your brain
https://www.machinadynamica.com/machina42.htm
DON'T CROSS THE STREAMS!
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Are these new products available at "hi-fi audio" stores or can you only buy them through a Danley dealer? It would be good to be able to go into a store to listen to them before a purchase. Also will pricing be available? I'd like to know if these speakers are in my ballpark.
They still have "hi-fi" stores? I haven't seen one in years.
I have no idea about the marketing idea(s). I would start with a call to a local rep.
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{...} https://www.machinadynamica.com/machina42.htm
My favourite bit of information on this, er, thing, is the instructions for doing an A/B test with it:
"For A/B comparisons, i.e., to evaluate the sound without the Clock, place the Clock outside the house structure, for example on the front steps. Listen to some favorite recordings while the clock is outside the house, then return the clock to the listening room and listen again."
Right, because an A/B comparison with several minutes between A and B is totally valid.
-Russ
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They still have "hi-fi" stores? I haven't seen one in years.
I have no idea about the marketing idea(s). I would start with a call to a local rep.
We have places like that in Canada. Just to name a few:
https://www.baybloorradio.com/
https://americansound.com/
https://executivestereo.com/
Sales could contact them about carrying your new products.
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from Machina Dynamica website...
SUPER STIFF BABY PROMETHEAN MINI ISOLATORS
I just gotta get me some of those ;D
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DON'T CROSS THE STREAMS!
My hero, that comment made my day.
Can’t wait to have you light up our shows again dude!
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Now why would you say such a thing? Maybe because that part of the industry has a LONG history of "beliefs"? HAHA
Here is one of my favorites. There is no use for it in live performances-because they are happening in the current time, but for recorded material, it is "essential" ------------------- or not?
<snip>
You can read more here-if you want to hurt your brain
https://www.machinadynamica.com/machina42.htm
Dude, you just broke my bullshit detector.
Like, seriously, the needle flew off and is now somewhere in my neighbour's garden!
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Dude, you just broke my bullshit detector.
Like, seriously, the needle flew off and is now somewhere in my neighbour's garden!
That device is one of my favorites, but if you want some more, grab a beer and go to the home page and read up on the other "tools" he sells to make your listening experience better.
He used to have one (I don't know if it is still there or not) to where you pay him money and give him your phone number.
It can be your mobile or a home phone as long as it is in the listening room.
He will then send a "special signal" to your phone (NO, I DO NOT MAKE THIS UP!!!) and it will "treat" your phone, so that as long as the phone is near you, your listening experience will be better.
It is best to do on your mobile phone, so that everywhere you go, you can enjoy better audio.
I guess if everybody did this at a concert, it would sound INCREDIBLE!
Or you can just go and tape some pebbles to your cables---------------- Yes he sells those as well.
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My hero, that comment made my day.
Can’t wait to have you light up our shows again dude!
Coming soon to a Hop near you!
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That device is one of my favorites, but if you want some more, grab a beer and go to the home page and read up on the other "tools" he sells to make your listening experience better.
He used to have one (I don't know if it is still there or not) to where you pay him money and give him your phone number.
It can be your mobile or a home phone as long as it is in the listening room.
He will then send a "special signal" to your phone (NO, I DO NOT MAKE THIS UP!!!) and it will "treat" your phone, so that as long as the phone is near you, your listening experience will be better.
It is best to do on your mobile phone, so that everywhere you go, you can enjoy better audio.
I guess if everybody did this at a concert, it would sound INCREDIBLE!
Or you can just go and tape some pebbles to your cables---------------- Yes he sells those as well.
HELP!!!!! I can’t stop laughing 😆 ....
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There is no "fluff" (except for maybe the feet it sits on) in the new products. Everything is true to the original Danley concepts/ideas. Single source, high sensitivity, flat response etc.
I'd re-investigate those feet. IME, any compliance between the cabinet and the floor allows cabinet movement, which adds distortion.
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I'd re-investigate those feet. IME, any compliance between the cabinet and the floor allows cabinet movement, which adds distortion.
Not to get all audiophooly but it seems cabinet movement as long as it is linear/symmetrical does not cause distortion. It is a potential error, but so is playing loudspeakers in the real world.
JR
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I'd re-investigate those feet. IME, any compliance between the cabinet and the floor allows cabinet movement, which adds distortion.
I'm thinking the feet are needed because the reflex port is in the bottom of the box facing down towards floor, and needs some space.
If that is correct, then my guess is that Ivan was saying the feet could be of a simpler, less fluffy design.
Ivan ? :)
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I'd re-investigate those feet. IME, any compliance between the cabinet and the floor allows cabinet movement, which adds distortion.
Yeah Tim, time to rip out all that "distortion producing" carpeting put down in so many rooms, and screw all cabinets directly to the floor.
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Yeah Tim, time to rip out all that "distortion producing" carpeting put down in so many rooms, and screw all cabinets directly to the floor.
Make sure you use the time-aligned screws. If they are off by more than a few thousandths in length, the resonant frequency will wreak havoc. ::)
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Make sure you use the time-aligned screws. If they are off by more than a few thousandths in length, the resonant frequency will wreak havoc. ::)
Looks like the marketing team at Danley predictions are spot on...
We are down to the screws... :D