Post by: jorge ramirez on August 09, 2010, 06:07:28 PM
i think i read that someone had b&c very happy (dont know what model), i also have 4 jbl 2242H, i went to 18 sound website but could not find the es18 or zr18 on there. i did see the 18lw1400 and 18nlw9600 double the price but double the watts.
also for future planning, would it be better to have 4 boxes with the upgraded drivers or 8 boxes with decent drivers. considering 4 blocks vs 2 blocks should increase the sound right?
thanks, jorge
Post by: Silas Pradetto on August 09, 2010, 06:17:33 PM
What part of the subs are you trying to "upgrade"? Low-end extension, level, size, weight, rider friendliness, color?
Post by: jorge ramirez on August 09, 2010, 06:45:10 PM
Post by: Silas Pradetto on August 09, 2010, 06:56:05 PM
| jorge ramirez wrote on Mon, 09 August 2010 18:45 |
long throw. when im up close they kick but when i step back its remarkably lower. indoor not to much of a problem, but definitely out door. |
That means you need MORE subs, not less. You can't beat the inverse square law.
There is almost no chance that 8 really decent double 18s are going to be beaten by 4 of any other double 18
Post by: jorge ramirez on August 09, 2010, 07:23:54 PM
but for now i need to know what drivers i can use on these bass horns.
Post by: Elliot Thompson on August 09, 2010, 09:40:45 PM
| jorge ramirez wrote on Mon, 09 August 2010 23:45 |
long throw. when im up close they kick but when i step back its remarkably lower. indoor not to much of a problem, but definitely out door. |
Hi
If you compare four Bassmaxx B Zeros to four EV MTL 1X cabinets, four Bassmaxx B Zeros will keep up and, offer more output below 50 Hz than four EV MTL 1X enclosures.
When you say, “kick” that is more upper bass region. Double Eighteens are usually not as loud as folded horns under those conditions since the frequencies that comprise of “kick” are short bass waves.
Horns are beneficial over reflex cabinets under those conditions due to amplifying the frequencies that comprise of kick better than a reflex box. That is the main reason why many use bass horns.
Also, it is very common for many to own lots sub cabinets and not enough low midrange drivers especially when the bulk of the music material consists of a lot of mid bass. This is why many use “Kick bins.” The cabinets perched on top of the double eighteens in your avatar resemble twelve’s. If they are indeed twelve’s I can understand why you are looking for bass cabinets that offer a strong “kick.”
I would suggest contacting David Lee if you would like suggestions on a bass driver for the Bassmaxx B Zero. When I heard them, they used the Neomaxx 18. I believe the mechanics are similar to the old Aura 1808.
Best Regards,
Post by: Josh Ricci on August 10, 2010, 12:38:25 PM
Post by: Pascal Pincosy on August 10, 2010, 06:08:41 PM
| Silas Pradetto wrote on Mon, 09 August 2010 15:56 |
There is almost no chance that 8 really decent double 18s are going to be beaten by 4 of any other double 18 |
Hi Silas,
The B-Zero is not a double 18. It is a single horn-loaded 18. In a block of 4, I would expect that the B-Zero is about equal in output to 8 sr4719x subs. They won't "sound" as loud due to decreased distortion characteristics, but measured I would expect them to be about equal.
Jorge,
Definitely speak with David Lee about what drivers to use in your boxes. I believe there are a couple quality options available that have been tested to work well over time. The NEOMAXX driver is I think no longer available, but the new factory mods for the B-Zero decrease the need for an expensive driver in that box.
Post by: Silas Pradetto on August 10, 2010, 09:11:26 PM
| Pascal Pincosy wrote on Tue, 10 August 2010 18:08 | ||
Hi Silas, The B-Zero is not a double 18. It is a single horn-loaded 18. In a block of 4, I would expect that the B-Zero is about equal in output to 8 sr4719x subs. They won't "sound" as loud due to decreased distortion characteristics, but measured I would expect them to be about equal. Jorge, Definitely speak with David Lee about what drivers to use in your boxes. I believe there are a couple quality options available that have been tested to work well over time. The NEOMAXX driver is I think no longer available, but the new factory mods for the B-Zero decrease the need for an expensive driver in that box. |
I guess I jumped the gun on that one, I have no idea what made me think we were comparing double 18s to double 18s.
Post by: Elliot Thompson on August 10, 2010, 09:40:04 PM
| Silas Pradetto wrote on Wed, 11 August 2010 02:11 |
I guess I jumped the gun on that one, I have no idea what made me think we were comparing double 18s to double 18s. |
These are Bassmaxx B Zeros...
They are roughly 24" by 24" by 48" in dimensions. The Bassmaxx B-Zero should be around 10 years old. There was also the B-1 and, B-2. The B-2 resembled the size of the Lab Sub.
If I remember correctly, the B-1's were introduced using the McCauley 6174 in the late 1990's.
Best Regards,
Post by: Art Welter on August 11, 2010, 01:32:49 PM
| Elliot Thompson wrote on Tue, 10 August 2010 19:40 | ||
These are Bassmaxx B Zeros... They are roughly 24" by 24" by 48" in dimensions. The Bassmaxx B-Zero should be around 10 years old. There was also the B-1 and, B-2. The B-2 resembled the size of the Lab Sub. If I remember correctly, the B-1's were introduced using the McCauley 6174 in the late 1990's. Best Regards, |
Bassmaxx B-Zero B and B-Zero R cabinet dimensions are 48” wide by 22.5” high by 48” deep, 52.75” deep with wheels attached.
Lab Subs are 22.5 x 45" x 45".
Edit- stupid size typo
Post by: Ivan Beaver on August 11, 2010, 06:46:03 PM
| Art Welter wrote on Wed, 11 August 2010 13:32 |
Bassmaxx B-Zero B and B-Zero R cabinet dimensions are 48” wide by 22.5” high by 48” deep, 52.75” deep with wheels attached. Lab Subs are 22.5 x22.5 x 45". |
Actually the labs are 45x45x22.5"
Post by: Elliot Thompson on August 11, 2010, 08:30:19 PM
| Art Welter wrote on Wed, 11 August 2010 18:32 |
Bassmaxx B-Zero B and B-Zero R cabinet dimensions are 48” wide by 22.5” high by 48” deep, 52.75” deep with wheels attached. Lab Subs are 22.5 x22.5 x 45". |
I must have forgotten to edit 24 X 24 X 48, to 48 X 24 X 48 before rushing out the door.
Yes, I know the Bassmaxx is 22.5 and not 24. The Bassmaxx B Zero, B-1, B-2, Lab Sub Servodrive Basstech 7, and Basstech 5's dimensions reminds me of the old Cerwin Vega L 48 SE's. The L 48 SE offered a dimension of 48 X 24 X 48.
Best Regards,
Post by: Christopher Gennette on August 27, 2010, 03:24:10 PM
I agree with Pascal on the output. The Bassmaxx's are awesome.
Chris Gennette
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Post by: jorge ramirez on September 23, 2010, 02:47:22 AM
Post by: Christopher Gennette on September 23, 2010, 08:11:43 AM
In a 2x2 stack they measure ruler flat from about 44hz up to 180hz and they sound amazing. I don't know that the B&C driver would be any different as I have not had one to play with.
Chris Gennette