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Title: Some EQ curves to die for
Post by: Steve Weiss on April 16, 2006, 02:43:24 AM

edit out of respect for my well being and state of mind.

Title: Re: Some EQ curves to die for
Post by: Steve Weiss on April 16, 2006, 02:43:59 AM

Title: Re: Some EQ curves to die for
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on April 16, 2006, 11:44:08 AM

Now it's time for us to all guess why it is so!

I think hearing loss!

Title: Re: Some EQ curves to die for
Post by: A Man on April 16, 2006, 11:56:12 AM

Screw this gig, I'm going FISHING!!  

Title: Re: Some EQ curves to die for
Post by: Too Tall (Curtis H. List) on April 16, 2006, 12:25:45 PM

Jon Martin wrote on Sun, 16 April 2006 11:56

Screw this gig, I'm going FISHING!!

I heard of this happening on a Broadway show in New York.
An old hand at mixing Broadway got a burr up his ass and "left without notice".

When someone went to the FOH board they found a note telling them to...

Well… some vulgar language and they shouldn't expect him tonight.
LOL

Title: Re: Some EQ curves to die for
Post by: Steve Weiss on April 16, 2006, 01:01:20 PM

RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS wrote on Sun, 16 April 2006 08:44

Now it's time for us to all guess why it is so! I think hearing loss!

I only wish that was the reason. And no this wasnt me or anyone else putting a funky EQ curve on something and then splitting. This is from a  designer who thinks he knows more than any of our SIM ninjas. He is from a small country in Europe but that has no bearing on anything other than to say he is not one of our local US designers.

Title: Re: Some EQ curves to die for
Post by: Andy Peters on April 16, 2006, 06:33:08 PM

Jon Martin wrote on Sun, 16 April 2006 08:56

Screw this gig, I'm going FISHING!!

That's the Christian monitor mix?

-a

Title: Re: Some EQ curves to die for
Post by: Dan Brown on April 16, 2006, 09:38:13 PM

As far as how the channel eq looked.
I thing some of us would be suprised at what our "analog" ch. eq's looked like if we had a visual graph for them.

Some of the best advice I ever got was to not look at that display on a digital console while your are tweaking.  Listen like you would with a analog console.

I have a artist I work with and the upright bass eq looks pretty whacked for his pickups but if I didn't do that it sounded like crap.  That is what you get from a cheap upright with cheap pickups.

I am not saying this guy knows what is going on but don't be so quick to jump on the "what the crap" bandwagon.

sincerely,
db

Title: Re: Some EQ curves to die for
Post by: Steve Weiss on April 16, 2006, 10:23:17 PM

I would grant you that Dan, but not in this case, if that was the case here then out of the 60 scenes in the show they would all look like this but they dont this was just one of the better looking  EQs, and the sound?? Well 4 out 5 engineers here agree it is the worst sounding bass in the world.

Title: Re: Some EQ curves to die for
Post by: gian luca cavallini on April 17, 2006, 04:20:07 PM

Steve,
I'm with Dan.
we know nothing about the show, know nothing about the musician, know nothing about the pa, know nothing about the location...  
you know sonthing more than us becouse you were there, but still you (probably) know very little about the show and the technical needs of the designer...
I mean, you are saying the sound of the bass was bad... What about the bass player desire? what about the sound of the SHOW? What about the artistic producer desire?  

Sorry for the rant, but this kind of topic recalls me of the bad attitude I call "mother-in-law gossip"... simply useless.

Title: Re: Some EQ curves to die for
Post by: Steve Weiss on April 17, 2006, 06:17:47 PM

I understand Gian. Dave and Bink have seen the venue and the show. Its a standard Meyer PA, and a standard Bass Rig through a DI. This is a bad designer trying to EQ and brush off a bad comb filter situation and that he has been told by more than one respected engineer and SIM engineer that the PA design was wrong. Yes mine is a rant, but a valid rant that goes along the lines of its not always the engineers fault. The Bass player was horrified to hear his bass in the house on a multitrack playback, and his consideration meant nothing to the designer. People were told it was his design and you will play and mix it as such. AHHH fun in the theatre world I guess.

Title: Re: Some EQ curves to die for
Post by: Steve Weiss on April 17, 2006, 06:19:09 PM

gian luca cavallini wrote on Mon, 17 April 2006 13:20

Steve, but still you (probably) know very little about the show and the technical needs of the designer...

well I am on staff of the show as a mixer. So I hear it every day, some days twice!!

Title: Re: Some EQ curves to die for
Post by: Dave Stevens on April 17, 2006, 07:48:29 PM

gian luca cavallini wrote on Mon, 17 April 2006 13:20

Sorry for the rant, but this kind of topic recalls me of the bad attitude I call "mother-in-law gossip"... simply useless.

Steve and the crew at that show have their hands full fixing some of the aspects of the design of the show.  Some of it you just look at it and listen to it and say HUH?  Given what they are working with they've done an outstanding job.  This isn't a club or bar level gig, it's a multi million dollar, high profile production show that otherwise has spectatcular production value but initially the audio was at best difficult to work with.  It's going to cost a lot of money to fix proper, but in the meantime hats off to the gang there for doing the best with what they have to work with.  The show I heard Steve mix sounded very good particularly considering some of the obviously wrong choices the initial designer made.

Dave

Title: Re: Some EQ curves to die for
Post by: gian luca cavallini on April 18, 2006, 02:40:16 AM

Sorry Steve, you didn't tell us you were the mixer, this change things a lot...    

Title: Re: Some EQ curves to die for
Post by: Steve Weiss on April 18, 2006, 04:54:32 AM

No worries guys it was more us venting than anything. It was hard for us to see a great meyer rig destroyed like this thats all.