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Carl Nagy

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Behringer ECM-8000 measurement mic
« on: January 20, 2006, 07:07:31 AM »

What do you guys think of the Behringer ECM-8000 measurement mic?

I have been offered one of these and a UB-802 miniture mixer at a very good price and would like to use them with a laptop to make smaart measurements to flatten the response of my cabs and for eliminating room modes quickly and easily.
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Re: Behringer ECM-8000 measurement mic
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2006, 01:38:15 PM »

For frequency domain measurement they're fine, but their phase response is all over the place. Someone has theorized that Behringer builds an EQ filter or two into the mic to make it flat.
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Re: Behringer ECM-8000 measurement mic
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2006, 07:36:10 PM »

I know it sounds great on a hi-hat.

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Re: Behringer ECM-8000 measurement mic
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2006, 09:13:57 PM »

Any other low cost measurement mics for Smaart use?  I'm looking for something similiar, and was considering the ECM-8000.
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Re: Behringer ECM-8000 measurement mic
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2006, 09:31:53 PM »

Give the Superlux mics a look.  Cheap and very flat-They compare well to our Earthworks, untill you get down to around 30Hz and up around 18K.  Then they are like 1/2 dB or so off.

If you want to spend a little more money, look at the Goldline cheap mics.  
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Re: Behringer ECM-8000 measurement mic
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2006, 10:16:19 PM »

This topic came up a while ago.  I do not ike mine but it was mentioned by someone that the cheap plastic diaphram could be more affected by environmental issues.....I sometimes work in 110' heat and it has probably been completely ruined Laughing
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Re: Behringer ECM-8000 measurement mic
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2006, 10:35:07 PM »

I do not know how the temp affects the mic element over time (is it perminent damage?), but the expensive metal diaphrams will perform much better in the extreme temps.
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Re: Behringer ECM-8000 measurement mic
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2006, 10:48:50 PM »

Bennett Prescott wrote on Sat, 21 January 2006 05:38

For frequency domain measurement they're fine, but their phase response is all over the place. Someone has theorized that Behringer builds an EQ filter or two into the mic to make it flat.



That seems a bit silly on behringers part. Wouldn't it be more beneficial to have a mic with good phase response and not a not so flat freq response? As long as the freq. response in known and can be accounted for.
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Re: Behringer ECM-8000 measurement mic
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2006, 04:14:42 AM »

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That seems a bit silly on behringers part. Wouldn't it be more beneficial to have a mic with good phase response and not a not so flat freq response? As long as the freq. response in known and can be accounted for.


Silly, yes; silly like a fox. Uli is just trying to make the specs look good and sell units. Mfrs don't usually include a phase trace sheet with their mics--its always a freq response trace if any at all. That and polar plots. So basically, Uli isn't looking at phase because his customers are presumed not to be looking at phase.

I have an Earthworks Smaart M30 and also a Behringer ECM8000 and the M30 is much, much nicer. My ECM8000 is a little screwy compared some others that have been analyzed. You see more unit-to-unit variation on the ECM8000.

Other low-cost test mics include the Audix TR40. Actually, there a ton of mics to choose from... Here's a response on the topic June of last year.

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Re: Behringer ECM-8000 measurement mic
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2006, 12:21:10 PM »

Not really... since 98% of their customers will be using it for an RTA only, phase is nowhere near as important to them as frequency response.
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