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Chris McDonald

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Video Mixers
« on: November 11, 2005, 11:16:02 pm »

Its been a few years since I've taken a look for an affordable video mixer/switcher. So whats out there today, last I really looked there was only videonics with their MX-1 and MX-pro. Now I see that Edirol got a v4 out which looks interesting on the low end of things.

In the past, I just used my PC and power point, load the incoming video feed from the live camera/dvd/vhs as video desktop, then make slides all pink when going live to camera or tape/dvd. Works ok, but I have to go back to a power point slide between live and tape/dvd, and everything has to be planned out exactly.

I need something to feed a few projectors for concerts, special events and press conferences. The local market is pretty small, only a few events per year and there is no one else to rent from.

Basicly I'm looking for something with 2 vga inputs and 2 composite inputs and both vga and composit outputs. I'd like to have scan converters and signal distro all in one box. I don't need alot of effects or anything.

What other low end video mixers should I take a look at?

So how is everyone else feeding their projectors? Using long vga cables, composit or ..?
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Re: Video Mixers
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2005, 11:33:52 pm »

Without knowing your budget, I can think of at least one product that I have used, that my be perfect or less than ideal for your situation.

The Sony Anycast

The inputs and outputs almost exactly fit your requirements, but without knowing your budget it'd be hard to say if there's a better solution out there.

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Chris McDonald

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Re: Video Mixers
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2005, 04:56:39 pm »

Yea thats about 10 times my budget Razz This market is tiny, if it could support something like that I'd be able to rent one when required.

I'm looking for something on the low end, just above the V4. The only things the v4 is really missing is scan converters and BNC connectors. Its big brother seems to have all that. I'm just wounding is there anything else out there... Maybe a PC based solution like the video toaster but at a lower price point.

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Re: Video Mixers
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2005, 04:15:38 pm »

Chris McDonald wrote on Fri, 11 November 2005 22:16

Its been a few years since I've taken a look for an affordable video mixer/switcher. So whats out there today, last I really looked there was only videonics with their MX-1 and MX-pro. Now I see that Edirol got a v4 out which looks interesting on the low end of things.

In the past, I just used my PC and power point, load the incoming video feed from the live camera/dvd/vhs as video desktop, then make slides all pink when going live to camera or tape/dvd. Works ok, but I have to go back to a power point slide between live and tape/dvd, and everything has to be planned out exactly.

I need something to feed a few projectors for concerts, special events and press conferences. The local market is pretty small, only a few events per year and there is no one else to rent from.

Basicly I'm looking for something with 2 vga inputs and 2 composite inputs and both vga and composit outputs. I'd like to have scan converters and signal distro all in one box. I don't need alot of effects or anything.

What other low end video mixers should I take a look at?


You market sounds very much like mine. I've been looking for a while, and I'm just about settled on the Kramer VP-725DS. It's a unique unit, in that it has four separate standard switchers (composite, s-video, vga, dvi), and an integrated scaler. Each section has it's own outputs, so if you are doing a composite-only event, you could leave the VGA cables at home and switch using that section. All of the inputs are also directly routable to the scaler (which has 5-wire, vga, and dvi outputs.)

I have not used one yet, so this is all just info I've found from the manual.

http://kramerelectronics.com/indexes/item.asp?desc=246

List price is approximately US$3000.

Not much control over the switching method (cut only, from what I can tell) but good enough for the presentations my clients expect. One of the things that made this unit my top choice was it's ability to use an on-screen-display during setup, and then turn OFF the OSD during the event and still have an on-board LCD display available. Most small units have no on-board display at all, making them unsuitable for professional presentations, IMHO.

I haven't found much detail on the internal scaler's quality, but almost every comment I find about Kramer in general is good.

Chris McDonald wrote on Fri, 11 November 2005 22:16

So how is everyone else feeding their projectors? Using long vga cables, composit or ..?


Long VGA for now. I've got a nice Altinex 3-way XGA splitter that I use when doing multiple-screen presentations that involve any powerpoint. I've got a QuadscanPro scaler that I use to bring video sources up to VGA, but it doesn't switch sources well at all, hence my search for a new better-suited unit.
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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2005, 10:23:35 am »

Give us your budget so we can help you.
Around $2500
Kramer VP-722DS http://www.kramerelectronics.com/indexes/item.asp?desc=243

Extron DVS-406 (Make sure you test before you buy, there processors were poor in the past but are suppose o be right on now, haven't had a chance to test them yet)
http://www.extron.com/product/product.asp?src=1&id=dvs40 6

Over $3,000.

TVOne C2-5000
http://www.tvone.com/c2-5000.shtml

Analog Way Smart fade 251A (My favorite)
http://www.analogway.com/products/product.php?Product=51
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Re: Video Mixers
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2005, 10:36:06 pm »

Have you looked at the presentation pro from folsom/barco.
7 inputs of any kind scaled up to component out. ( all on HD15 )
although this unit is not good for I-meg, it freezes the immage as you switch.
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Re: Video Mixers
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2005, 11:28:35 pm »

January 2006 issue of DV Magazine has a review of several live switchers, including the Anycast, the MX-4DV--this year's version of the MX-Pro (they didn't like this one) and NewTek's Tricaster which has a built-in PC. That Edirol looks interesting...is there any way you can get your hands on a demo to see if you like it?
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Re: Video Mixers
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2005, 12:14:28 pm »

What Edirol piece are you talking about?

My personal experience with Edirol mixers is <grin> mixed.

V-4 - This is a sad little piece, the image quality through the unit is just not satisfactory for most uses.

LVS-400 - This is not a bad little switcher, and probably my favorite of the range.

V-440 (HD) - I have used this mixer, and I like it well enough, but the stupid thing costs almost 12K street. For that price (cheaper, actually) I can get the fancy dual scalar TV-One gear AND the T-Bar controller, and get all kinds of more capability.

Its amusing that when I talked with Edirol about the price of the V-440, they said they were not aware of any switcher capable of HD for less than like 50K. I then explained that TV-One, Analog Way, and Folsom (Now Barco) all make products well below 50K that can do HD, and in the case of AW&TV-One, they both offer more capable pieces for cheaper.  The rep said he didn't believe that to be the case.

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