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ivan

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digital console
« on: July 16, 2004, 01:48:18 pm »

hi, what it will be a good idea for a digital console, 24 inputs... any problems w/ it? any sudgestions?
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Re: digital console
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2004, 09:35:17 am »

At the risk of starting a firestorm...

What is your purpose for the digital console?  If it's a live mix I personally urge you against it.  For consoles in the TYPICAL church budget there are very few that even come close to being usable for live sound (in my opinion).

While they offer some great features, and are the future of sound, they currently offer some strong disadvantages to the live sound market - in particular the house of worship market.  First, everything is usually buried in menus.  If you have a volunteer running sound and everything starts falling apart, having to hunt through often cryptic menus is the last thing you want to induce.

Your reaction time is usually slowed as a result.  Plus, while stage presets are great, they are only so good.  They'll get you in the ball park, but not a walk away solution like many think.  There are too many variables.  First, you are most commonly working with volunteer band members whos skill level runs the gammit.  Next, you have incredible temperature and humidity differences between setup and "performance".  You also have largly variable house attendance - this changing the setup.  Don't get me wrong - I love presets, but be aware that it's not lighting - audio demands work.

Saying that.  If you MUST go digital, I'd look at the Spirit Digital.  It has a horizontal control strip that when a channel is activated becomes the eq, aux, and gain setup.  It at least keeps you from fumbling through menus, and it is affordable to most budgets.  I still don't like how it switches back and forth between the upper and lower half of the channels, but that's just typical.

Yamaha makes some good digital consoles, but they are menu intensive.

If you are recording -- just through all that out.  I'd look at the o1v (used) or similar console.
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Re: digital console
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2004, 01:30:08 pm »

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i was looking the YAMAHA 01V96 Digital Mixer. i like the idea of the presets and also is way cheaper than going analog. (i don't have to buy compressors, gates, fx, etc. per channel).
if someone has use YAMAHA 01V96 Digital Mixer please tell me the advanteges or problems w/ this mixer. i am going to use this mixer w/ this speakers:
2 TXD-118 1x18 Subwoofer
2 TXD-151 15" 2-Way PA Speaker
1 dbx crossover
1 dbx compressor
1 furman

check the jpegs
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Re: digital console
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2004, 01:31:08 pm »

church band location
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2004, 01:31:43 pm »

how the church looks like
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Re: digital console
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2004, 02:05:10 pm »

Brad I see your point, most digital consoles, especially in the price range of most small churches, are not maximized for live sound. I have worked with 2 churches that have small digital consoles and for them it worked very well. They already had the mixers before I started helping them. One of the reasons it worked for them is actually one of the reasons it wouldn’t work for some others. The fact that things like the EQ being a little harder to get at kept some people from twiddling with it.

I am hoping that we will be able to get a digital console for our new church building. At a meeting last week when I mentioned the PM5DH to one of the acoustic/audio consultants, his hesitation was the 56-channel limit (according to him). We have 3 different types of services on a Sunday, so the recall feature for the size console we would need would come in very handy. Which digital consoles do you think are good for live use?
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2004, 08:10:39 pm »

does anyone recomend me where to buy all my gear very cheap? any internet company, or guitar center type ?
so far i havent been helped w/all my inquieres. please help
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Re: digital console
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2004, 08:55:55 pm »

Ivan

In a small setting the digital desk is a very step learning curve and i dont believe is viable. For a larger desk i would look at the digital as the additional features really come the fore front Recall, Fx, Ability to add extra modules in and expands desk size is great.

I would aim at a Soundcraft LX7 Mk2 if you can stretch the budget have a look at Allan + Heath GL 2200 great desk nice sound and a great work horse.

The good things about the Yamaha O1v96 is the ability to grow without changing sound desks is easy just buy a new module. You could even mix a message in 5.1 there is a article on Herbie handcock and mixing a live concert in 5.1 surround sound.

Down side is in digital desk the desk isnt too rider friendly if you dont know what you are doing its easy to get lost. Also if you dont like the effects you are stuck with them ie dynamic range of the desk, Compression, Reverbs.

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Re: digital console
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2004, 08:18:46 am »

Brad's cmments have merit.

However, if you do have sound staff that are at least semi-skilled and can move around the menus with some speed, I see digital live mixers more and more as a viable method for mixing in HOW.  If nothing esle, these mixers allow for switching (near seemlessly) between varied services that many HOW now incorporate into their service schedules.

Aside from the Spirit, Yamaha's DM1000 and D2000 are finding there way into Broadway shows and venues such as Kennedy Center in Washington DC.  Plus quite a few HOW.

Mackie is about to release a new live digital console that (like all digital consoles) offers a huge amount of busing/matricing and processing.  I would not advise being the first to buy one of these, but after they've been out for 6-12 months we all should have a good idea of its merits.
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Re: digital console
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2004, 08:29:47 am »

Hi Tom

I find digital a little hard for some of our riders as things are buried a bit deep for them. But i agree for an application like foldback digital has some serious appliactions, i you need an extra 6 foldback sends all that is need is a new board a hey presto. Its not like analogue um we need some serious dollars here fella do you need that kidney.

The only down side i can see with digital is the effects i have had this dicussion with a good friend of mine. Digital you are stuck witht he fx on board, yes you can purchase them as a rack but the idea of digital is to rid yourself of analogue racks.

For small churchs it is still cheaper long term to go a small 24 channel desk. But the future is changing so are our desks.

Cheers
Stuie
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