Kent Stallard wrote on Tue, 31 August 2004 23:31 |
OK, I understand that concept. However, what would you recommend for a starting point on the gain controls--center ('detent') position, or all the way 'down'??
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You need to set gain structure. I noticed you had a dbx DRPA. dbx describes gain structure as setting gains throughout the whole system to clip simultaneously. But simultaneous clip has been described as a bad idea for many reasons. 1) It would sound most horrible if ever driven to whole system clip. 2) And most likely it wouldn't happen anyway, because the weakest link in the chain will clip first, unless you had a perfectly matched signal chain, with equal intensity clipping points, coupled with a perfectly balanced sub/mid/highs power amp and speaker ratio, dialed in precisely for the music style.
In other words, a lot of music is driven kick and bass heavy...Power hungry subs may clip first...Depends on your system, and it will vary somewhat between conditions. Don't get too caught up in the everything must clip at the same time method. But for starters, I'll WILL start with simultaneous clip within the dbx DRPA first.
I've written a procedure a while back on dbx's site that I use for DRPA users. The following has a few cut and paist inserts...and I noticed a little extra redundant statements thrown in here too. It's just that I editted my article with quick add-ons, only to find I just said that elsewhere.
Here we go:
YOU MUST AGREE to be the type of person who will turn down each of the power amp trim knobs from full blast as needed, otherwise the following method I'm suggesting is useless.
Also, you should have a carefully selected and balanced ratio of power amps and speakers per each low, mid, and high frequency range. If you have a mismatched system, such as under-powered subs, the method I describe below will still work, but you'll need to set your gain structure when the weakest link clips first.
One more thing, in the DRPA, I prefer "custom" amplifier settings, even though my crown CE2000 IS in the menu settings.
To start with, I use the drpa's internal pink noise generator as an initial noise source WITHOUT an rta mic connected, to set my crossover gains inside the drpa.
Repeat: Without an rta mic connected. Try pushing the rta mic button without going into the wizard. You will notice the screen immediately goes to auto eq mode.
The objective is to make all the crossover output LED's clip at the same time when you crank the pink noise knob, (with no rta mic connected). This is my personal method of getting maximum gain and dsp resolution out of each of the drpa's crossovers.
Turn down the power amp gains real LOW, for monitoring the pink noise out of the dbx.
Set your dbx crossover gains to zero dB, filter slopes and peq to speaker specs.
Turn ALL the extra stuff like anti-feedback suppression (afs), sub synth, compressors, limiters, delay, to OFF (for now).
Set your EQ to flat. VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!
Repeating: Set your EQ (geq) to flat. This effects the un-mic'ed pink noise generator to start flat, instead of starting with last known geq settings.
Push the rta mic button, do NOT connect a mic, and do NOT push the wizard button. Go through the menu (right arrow) and rotate the pink level up slowly, like up to 0dBu or so. The pink noise generated within the drpa will be flat because the EQ (GEQ) is flat. It is looking for the rta mic which ain't there, so it'll hold a steady flat-lined pink level. NOTICE: The drpa's input leds will NOT be illuminated...No mic that's why.
Look at your crossover output leds. Are they all equal in intensity? Rotate the pink level up higher. Do they all clip at the same time? Take note of weak and strong leds and push the rta mic button again, to bail out and stop the pink noise. Go into the crossover section and adjust weak gains up, and powerful gains down. Repeat all the previous steps from the start over and over again while experimenting with, and adjusting your crossover gains. Make it so all the crossover output gains clip at the same time with flat-lined pink noise, with manufacturers recommended crossover slopes and peq's inserted.
Now it's time to set your power amp input trims using the above method (with dbx's "flat-lined pink noise" generator, NO rta mic connected) AND
no speakers connected, to make your power amps clip precisely when its associated crossover's output led clips. Remember, this is ONLY if you have a perfectly balanced and matched system! (Not all power amps may clip at the same time.)
Crank the pink noise to occasional clip on all of the drpa's output leds. One at a time...slowly bring each power amp input trim up until the amp clips. (REMEMBER: NO SPEAKERS CONNECTED)
At this point, you have now set the amp's input trims, and crossovers, using pink noise with a flat line eq, and this is your absolute
starting point.
From here on out, when you add in, or color your changes, like sub synth etc., go back and make the crossover output led's dance in equal power again. You will need to constantly go back and re-balance your crossover gains until you've finalized a gain structure that satisfies quick auto-eq sessions. Note: It is recommended to do these gain structure (and auto eq) baseline settings outdoors first.
Next...You must set the limiter to extinguish the power amp clip lights. Turn on your limiter in the menu, but this time crank pink noise in from
another flat-lined pink noise source, such as "Bink's" test cd, and run it through a flat EQ'd channel on your mixing console, PFL'd to 0dBu, and cranked to 0dBu on the outputs. Look at your dbx
input led's, make sure your test cd level on the dbx INPUT leds are near equal in intensity as the console's OUTPUT leds. You may have to push the +4/-10dB button in back. If possible, bring up the pink noise to +20dBu on the input make the led's occasionally flash the clip. Your power amps should be doing the same. Adjust each of your output limiters down from infinity, until your power amp indicator just stops clipping. (remember no speakers yet)
NOTE: From the drpa to the power amps, your gain structure is set. But you still have to make a decision based on your mixing console's output intensity. Different manufacturer's console outputs vary dramatically from its output verses the drpa's input, there is no input trim on the dbx unit except for the +4/-10dB button. So there may be a discrepancy between console clip, and drpa clip, if the console output doesn't match drpa's 20dBu max input.)
Now it's time to connect your speakers.
Run your auto-eq wizard WITH an rta mic and view the pattern, (even aborted rta's too). Make inversely proportional adjustments to your power amp input trims as needed, to reduce the "heavy handed" portions of your EQ patterns. It may take some experimenting with crossover gains and slopes too, especially if you experience EQ patterns that cannot be corrected with power amp input trims alone.
You'll find that when you make adjustments, it effects the whole signal chain. Gain structure should be like step-by-step and half-step process, with smaller and smaller adjustments as you repeat the process and get closer to unity and max gain structure.
Watch out for drpa's "whole-system compressor" menu, they can throw you off sometimes, especially during a new system setup. Keep them off during gain structure procedures.
Gotta go it's late.