drumguy wrote on Wed, 28 April 2004 06:48 |
I am not answering this question, i would like to add on to it. I do sound for some bands that have mainly small gigs,100-200 people max. I have toyed around with the idea of starting a smaller audio business. I do not want anything big, probably a max of covering 500 people. But i do not know how or where i could start. I have no equipment at the moment, but could build a mediocre system pretty reasonable for about 5 grand (I think)by using e bay and some music stores that i have dealt with in the past. I have figured out from reading the other threads around here that 5 g's is not enough money for a good system.
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Now if this was the main lab board, I'd probably get shot for saying this, but as long as you realise the limitations you actually can build a pretty decent sounding system for around 5 grand. It won't make it for 500 people out doors, and all bets are off if you work with metal or punk bands though.
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That is not my question. My question is how could i get started in the business. First off, i know, get a system. Not a good one, just one that will do to start off. After i pay it off, i can upgrade.
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That's pretty much how I started off. The important thing to do is to make sure as much as possible is still usable as you upgrade.
You should be able to pick up an A&H Mixwizard or a Soundcraft Spirit FX16 for well under $1000. Either one is a good clean sounding board, and even if (when) you need to move up to more channels or more auxes you will still find it useful for smaller gigs.
Pick up a pair of Peavey SP2X's and a pair of the Peavey 15 inch monitors. You should be able to get all 4 (2 mains, 2 monitors) used for well under $1000. Depending on what kind of jobs you are doing you will probably want a couple of subs. Peavey makes some decent single 18 subs, so does Yamaha. They aren't real expensive and you won't be shaking walls with them, but they will take some of the load off the 15's in the mains if you are running kick drum, bass, or keyboards throught the system. Buy em right and you can sell them a couple years later for what you paid for them.
Get the Behringer CX3400 active crossover. It's cheap and it works. Keep it in the rack as a backup when you upgrade to dsp some time down the road--or use it for biamped monitors.
For power, go with Crown CE series, QSC RMX series or Peavey. Use a CE1000, RMX1450 or PV950 for the highs (horns), a CE2000, RMX1850HD or PV2600 for the 15's, and another CE2000, RMX1850HD or PV2600 for subs and monitors. There are newer designs out there that are lighter, smaller and put out more power, but if you shop right you will have a hard time getting more (reliable) power for less money. When you upgrade you can look at getting more of the same, or sell them to the local bar band.
Microphones. Depends on what you are doing. You probably will need a half dozen decent vocal mics. Either CAD C195's (at around $60 each) or Sennheiser 835's (3 for $200) will pretty much work anyplace you would normally see SM58's. And they sound better. You probably need a handful of SM57's for everything but vocals. Figure around $80 each for however many you need. You will probably need a couple of direct boxes. For that you can get away with Behringer or Rolls.
Take what's left and buy mic stands, racks and cables. And a 31 band equalizer for the monitors. (You can live quite happily without one for the mains if everything else is right to begin with.) I would probably be looking for a good deal on a DBX 1231 if it was me. I usually make sure I've got a decent CD player in the rack too. (Dual well DJ type--but you don't need one with all the bells and whistles--I've used an old Neumark CDN22 for years.) Oh, and get a cable tester. Either the Swizz Army one or the Behringer look alike.
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I have looked in the study hall and read up and learned a lot. But questions like how much to charge, other materials to read up on. My ideal thing would be to buy a book to learn everything about everything from set up to final mix. I know a good bit and consider myself a pretty good mixer, but there is a lot that i still do not know. Main place i get confused is when hooking everything up.
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Get the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook.
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If anyone could direct me to something else besides the study hall, i will read and learn. Also, if its possible, just give me a little background on how you started and stuff.
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Start small and work with somebody that is already established if at all possible. I've been playing with this stuff since the 60's, starting with a console radio and a crystal mic. Kind of got out of it until a few years ago when my daughter got interested in drama in middle school. As a parent volunteer, I ended up pretty much running the sound for all of their productions (mostly because at first I was the only one who could figure out how to hook their system up). From there, it kind of built. Worked for a couple of the local dance studios for their recitals and shows, first with rented equipment, then supplemented (and eventually replaced) it with my own, which I bought mostly off of eBay or local want ads. The system I described above is about what I had a year ago. (I didn't mention wireless mics--both handheld and bodypack because a lot of the work I do uses them, you may not need them. I've also got a couple of RNC compressors that I occasionally insert on a channel, but I could easily live without them)
I'm at the point now of upgrading quite a bit because I've been asked to do too many jobs that I can't handle without renting additional equipment. And at this point it will pay for itself before the summer is over. I need a new board (I'm running out of inputs sometimes) which will probably be a GL2200-32 (which next round of upgrades will end up being a monitor board), new mains (probably half a dozen Yorkville U-15's), new subs (I'm building Lab Subs), more monitors and of course the new speakers will need additional power.
As to what I said about upgrading without losing your original investment, my FX16 will still be used on smaller jobs. The Yamaha subs are already sold (for what I paid for them). The Peavey mains I could easily sell, but may hold onto for a while as part of a "B" system. The Crown amps will be supplemented with more amps, but will still be used.
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