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Taylor Phillips:
Without knowing your goals, all I can offer is general advice.  My first thought is your mix position is in a bad place.  Your acoustic environment is vastly different than what the congregation hears. Another thing I would do is move the drums to one side and the singers to other and lose the drum shield.  If the kit is too loud, have your drummer play with rods (or rutes).  I've been using these and love the way they sound.

Joe Long:
In Regards to anyone who posted, sorry if I leave something out.

First, our drummer is well...very passionate about his drumming. Countless times we've talked with him about simmerin down a tid, its helped alot actually. Not as big as a problem there now, however I think it would benefit if we had more control of the drum sound, enclosing it and mic'n them perhaps?

Our Worship is very contemporary. We like to have the best sound we can get. Usual running sunday is 1 acoustic 1 electric guitars. total of 4 vocals bass(perhaps another problem, read on) piano (also read on)

Our spoken word is very dynamic, Talk soft then will get loud in the preaching. If you want you can check out our recordings that dont sound terrible at all ( http://higherpraisesalina.com/audio ) <think i did that right.

As for the soundbooth location// Yes that is a big issue however an issue that I really dont know what to do here. Moving isnt really an option due to we're pushing numbers already in the pews.
the sound is VERY different under the rock than outside (sanctuary)
but you get used to what you hear under there than out there. Usually i'll step in there and take a hear.

Back to the Bass guitar and piano. both "can" be run through the system but they are not. The bass uses own bass amp. So I have no control over him
Piano has built in speaker thing. again cant control him.

OVERALL our sound isnt that bad, I just know it can be waaay better
one thing I would like to settle first is our main worship leaders vocals

I suppose hes a real low singer but can get high notes sorta. But hard to understand when singing the lower notes..make sense? looking for more "clarity i suppose"
but when the other worship leader takes stage his vocals are fine due to the difference in singing.
hope im not rambling on.

i downloaded ROOM EQ, should i give that a shot?
again, if you need anymore info let me know!

thanks again!



EDIT//
Stage monitors! Our three wedges. When I run sound its not to much of a problem, but keeping the stage volume down vs the house volume can be a task at hand as well. just FYI I was reading and saw that mentioned so yes this could be looked into as well.

if anyone wants to chit chat about what we do and run, via email thatd be great just PM me with email and ill shoot one back.

Chris Penny:

--- Quote from: Joe Long on February 10, 2011, 11:34:57 PM ---I suppose hes a real low singer but can get high notes sorta. But hard to understand when singing the lower notes..make sense? looking for more "clarity i suppose"
but when the other worship leader takes stage his vocals are fine due to the difference in singing.

--- End quote ---

I have a singer like this (I think). He isn't so much a low singer but his singing voice is naturally quite muddy with very little presence. Makes his voice quite unintelligible when he sings. Fine when doing something simple like an item with an acoustic guitar. Almost impossible to understand with a full band.

I have tried all sorts of things from hitting the EQ quite hard to try and reduce mud and increase presence, which can sort of work but makes him or the rest of instruments sound unnatural.  I could try a different mic but I can't see how much better I can get things if his voice is naturally that difficult to understand. The only other options are training or relegating to back-up only.

Matthias Heitzer:

--- Quote ---I have a singer like this (I think). He isn't so much a low singer but his singing voice is naturally quite muddy with very little presence. Makes his voice quite unintelligible when he sings.
--- End quote ---

Some singers seem to be afraid of consonants, talking with them can help. Some time ago, a girl in our church didn't pronounce the "t" in "mystery". Worship lead didn't notice. A short comment via talkback during rehersal and the "problem" was solved.

If everything technical fails, try communication ;-)

Taylor Phillips:

--- Quote ---I suppose hes a real low singer but can get high notes sorta. But hard to understand when singing the lower notes..make sense? looking for more "clarity i suppose"
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Well, talking to your drummer helped, you could try the same with him!  Record his singing so you have an example to play back to him.


--- Quote ---Back to the Bass guitar and piano. both "can" be run through the system but they are not. The bass uses own bass amp. So I have no control over him
Piano has built in speaker thing. again cant control him.

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I can't imagine that keyboard speaker being able to keep with drums and a bass amp, let alone carry itself out into the sanctuary.  I certainly can't imagine it sounding good.  I would try DI'ing it to FOH and one of those powered personal monitors - pointed right at your keyboardist head.  With the bass, try putting the amp on the floor in front of him pointed upwards towards his head.  Use a DI to send it to FOH and the amp.  You don't mention your electric guitarist using an amp, but if he does, I would recommend the same thing, though you may still want to mic the amp rather than take a DI feed depending on the amp he uses.  I see more bassist not using an amp than guitarists, and I think this makes sense since amps make electric guitars sound much better, whereas basses usually sound great straight into the system.  If your bassist thinks the amp is needed to hear him in the sanctuary, just play some CDs through the system at full blast and demonstrate how the system doesn't need any help from his amp!

I think enclosing and mic'ing drums in your case is more trouble than its worth.  Especially with such a small stage area and a drummer who actually is cooperative.   I would only add mics if you need more.

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