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[kristianjohnsen]

Before there were newfangled interweb things, using the manual was standard practice.

And ther was more personal training, classes, apprenticeship, guidance and customer support.

Higher tech items are now cheaper so that more people with less beackground are learning to use them.  There is a reason forums have become so very popular all over the web.

[Mac Kerr]

And ther was more personal training, classes, apprenticeship, guidance and customer support.

Higher tech items are now cheaper so that more people with less beackground are learning to use them.  There is a reason forums have become so very popular all over the web.

It has been my experience over the past 35 years that there is far more training available today than there ever was previously. There was essentially no manufacturer training when I changed from lighting design to sound in 1976. There was no training in either field. Maybe I had an advantage in that after 4 years of college studying engineering, and 3 studying technical theater, with degrees in both, I had a good background in doing research and figuring out how to do things on my own.

There have been many times since I first started participating in these forums as newbie that I answered questions by looking up the answer in the manual. I still check the manual if I am at all unsure about an answer I am giving because I do not want to mislead anyone. The manuals for most of the gear we use are available online. That should be the first place to look for any answer. Doug had no problem finding it, I don't think anyone else would either.

This forum is a great source of advice and information, but it is not a Wiki. Basic information can be found in manuals, good ways to apply that information can be found in forums like this one.

Mac

[Brad Ferguson]

Wow, I didn't realize the shit-storm I would stir up by asking (what I assumed) was a simple question that would have been answered with an actual answer.

In this scenario I actually read in the manual that program changes were able to be sent via MIDI, but I still wasn't 100% certain that this would work with my 01v(not a 01v96), and a D-two specifically.

Thank goodness I posted this in the LAB Lounge, and not the main forum - I likely would've been eaten alive.

Thank you gentlemen.

[Mac Kerr]

Wow, I didn't realize the shit-storm I would stir up by asking (what I assumed) was a simple question that would have been answered with an actual answer.

In this scenario I actually read in the manual that program changes were able to be sent via MIDI, but I still wasn't 100% certain that this would work with my 01v(not a 01v96), and a D-two specifically.

Thank goodness I posted this in the LAB Lounge, and not the main forum - I likely would've been eaten alive.

Thank you gentlemen.

Why were you not 100% certain? The manual for the 01v (not 01v96) is available online, and pages 221-240 explain the midi settings, with pg 228 showing basically the setup you want, albeit with an 01v as the slave, not a D2. Midi program changes are midi program changes. The D2 should react just like the 01v in the example.

Mac

ps. We don't actually eat people alive, we roast them well first. ;-)

[kristianjohnsen]

It has been my experience over the past 35 years that there is far more training available today than there ever was previously. There was essentially no manufacturer training when I changed from lighting design to sound in 1976. There was no training in either field. Maybe I had an advantage in that after 4 years of college studying engineering, and 3 studying technical theater, with degrees in both, I had a good background in doing research and figuring out how to do things on my own.

There have been many times since I first started participating in these forums as newbie that I answered questions by looking up the answer in the manual. I still check the manual if I am at all unsure about an answer I am giving because I do not want to mislead anyone. The manuals for most of the gear we use are available online. That should be the first place to look for any answer. Doug had no problem finding it, I don't think anyone else would either.

This forum is a great source of advice and information, but it is not a Wiki. Basic information can be found in manuals, good ways to apply that information can be found in forums like this one.

Mac

Mac.  Thanks for your perspective, mine is a lot shorter as I'm younger - and probably different as I live in a different country. 

Compared to when I first started out I'd say things have changed a lot in the sense that the internet makes it easier to get to information, but it's harder to find knowledgeable people to actually talk to.  Used to be that people who went into a business really specialized in that area, now many professions have become extinct in small cities (like the one I live in) because everyone is buying online anyway.  I called a supplier today to ask for a spare part and all he could do was ask me to write him an email that he could forward to another "virtual person".  Back in the day, suppliers all actually had a "repairman" who knew the products that place sold in-and-out.  I'm not saying that it would have been easier to find a MIDI-expert in my town in 1985, but I'm saying that the chance of me needing one has increased.

When I went to high school TV salespeople still understood how a TV worked - but the grocery store didn't sell TVs...

Now, everyone sells so many products it's not humanly possible for one person to keep up with all technology - all the while customers have more diverse needs and discover all the more wants on the world wide web.

Many businesses have seen diminishing profit margins.  I doubt the owners of certain big companies object to part of their support tasks being handled by end users who do it for free on user groups, instead of staff.

Just to mention it, we have a lot less manufacturer training and product specialist involvement here that I suspect you do - and it's an overall smaller place.  The first time I ever saw a Yamaha 03D, 01v, 01v96, DM2000 or PM1D was when I bought mine.  And I wouldn't have dared take those plunges without excellent help from this forum (and you especially along with amongst others Andy Broughton {thank you]), a lot of manual reading, a lot of concept study, general net-browsing, etc - so I'm no stranger to research myself - for me it's been the only way to find out about these topics.  However, so many of these things would have been easier to learn like I learned them in electronics class, with a mentor walking around checking your work and if necessary helping you read the schematic with their finger pointed at the circuit drawing.

In fact, in my area I have become the go-to-guy on some of these topics which I find to be a fun compliment of sorts and I do my best to train the up-and-comers.

Best regards,

Kristian Johnsen

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