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Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« on: August 26, 2011, 12:13:30 pm »

Anyone with experience in successfully connecting the Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with an iPad and StageMix?

The iPad (2) connects to the network, and StageMix starts the connection but the sync fails with the "Connection failed. Check Wi-Fi Status" message.  I've also noticed a RealVNC client on the iPad will not connect to its server on a netbook cabled to the Bullet through a switch (IP addresses are set correctly in RealVNC).
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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2011, 07:18:26 pm »

Anyone with experience in successfully connecting the Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with an iPad and StageMix?

The iPad (2) connects to the network, and StageMix starts the connection but the sync fails with the "Connection failed. Check Wi-Fi Status" message.  I've also noticed a RealVNC client on the iPad will not connect to its server on a netbook cabled to the Bullet through a switch (IP addresses are set correctly in RealVNC).

Some things to check for:
- AirMax should be turned off.
- Bullet should be set to AP mode (not WDS), configured as DHCP client or with fixed IP on the wired side and as DHCP server or with fixed IP on the wireless side.
- Set to router mode
- Try a narrow channel width; 10 or 20MHz.
- Set the Distance to the shortest value.
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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2011, 10:16:48 am »

Some things to check for:
- AirMax should be turned off.
- Bullet should be set to AP mode (not WDS), configured as DHCP client or with fixed IP on the wired side and as DHCP server or with fixed IP on the wireless side.
- Set to router mode
- Try a narrow channel width; 10 or 20MHz.
- Set the Distance to the shortest value.

Set following your suggestions, get the same result with DHCP or static IP addresses for LAN and WLAN.  iPad will not join the network with a 10 or 40 MHz channel width; went back to 20.  Noticed trying to connect StageMix produces a flat line TX throughput (0 bps), but there's a little jump to around 100 bps when trying RealVNC.  RX throughput peaks around 1Kbps for either.
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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2019, 08:52:22 pm »

Some things to check for:
- AirMax should be turned off.

sorry for reviving an old thread, but while on the same topic at the moment.

Should AirMax be turned off always when using a bullet for console remote control?
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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2019, 12:13:17 am »

sorry for reviving an old thread, but while on the same topic at the moment.

Should AirMax be turned off always when using a bullet for console remote control?

The whole unit should be turned off and placed in the garbage.
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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2019, 06:16:28 am »

The whole unit should be turned off and placed in the garbage.
That's where mine ended up >:(
I tried all the helpful suggestions and could not get a reliable setup.
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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2019, 12:07:04 pm »

Next time let me know - I'll be happy to pay for shipping and you can send them to me.
They are fantastic APs once you "upgrade" their firmware to DD-WRT.
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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2019, 12:20:37 pm »

I'd suggest the dedicated Unifi AP Mesh/Pro for a more simple high availability/quality AP with easy setup.

Andrew, that's super cool! Didn't think about that.
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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2019, 02:32:58 pm »

The whole unit should be turned off and placed in the garbage.

Haha!  I was about ready to pitch my Bullet M5 in the garbage; it was a royal pain to set up.  I eventually had an IT professional friend help me out.  He was stumped at first, did a bit of research, and came back with a solution.  It involved setting a narrow channel, and limiting available channels, I believe.  Since then, it's been rock solid for me at impressive range.
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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2019, 03:21:38 pm »

Haha!  I was about ready to pitch my Bullet M5 in the garbage; it was a royal pain to set up.  I eventually had an IT professional friend help me out.  He was stumped at first, did a bit of research, and came back with a solution.  It involved setting a narrow channel, and limiting available channels, I believe.  Since then, it's been rock solid for me at impressive range.

Yeah it's defo possible to get them working well, I had the M2 version for years and it worked great.

But like any professional product, it has lots of options and settings which on the one hand is great but on the other you need a little bit of knowledge to get them to work properly.

First of all yes you defo have to turn AirMax off. Thats a special communication mode that Ubiquiti gear uses when one access point is talking directly to another, for beaming data from one building to another or across a city or something, it's not for normal devices to connect to.

As said above, set it to Access Point Mode. However I did tick to allow WDS bridge. This means that as well as the ipad talking to the desk which assess point mode allows, other devices can talk through the access point. For me that meant that I connected the laptop playing test tunes to the wifi as well and the ipad could control that too, letting me change tracks as I walked about.

In terms of power, when I first started I automatically ramped the power up as high as it could go, thinking this would give me best range. Dont lol.  The way it was described to me was its like someone shouting as loud as they can in a room. It's pretty hard for anyone else to talk, and the ipad needs to be able to talk back too. Go for a middle power setting to start with and adjust from there.

Set your SSID and password, and decide if you want the network private.

In terms of channel width. This is one that will take a little adjusting. A wide channel width passes more data, has more bandwidth, but is more susceptible to interference from other wifi devices in the area. A narrower channel width more robust and gives a more reliable connection, even if the bandwidth is a bit smaller.

After that it's down to IP addresses and understanding how that works (I know you may understand this but I'll type some general set up rules for anyone who doesn't and may be reading).

IP addresses can be manually set within the network, or can be dynamic, meaning they change. To use dynamic addresses, something in the network has to be in charge of doing this, and each time a new device comes onto the network this controller, the DHCP server, tells it what address to use.

Thats why you don't have to faff about with network addresses in your home network for example, the DHCP server is built into the router box given to you by your provider and when someone comes over with their phone or laptop and connects it sorts that all out.

However for your gig set up, the Bullet doesn't have a DHCP server built in, and neither does your desk or your iPad.  You may have a network switch within your system that does, but assuming not and assuming you're just plugging the Bullet straight into your desk, you're gonna need to set all the IP addresses manually.

There are two main things to set, the address and subnet. 

Subnet is the easy part, set it to 255.255.255.0 on everything.

For the address, home networks usually run on 192.168.0.xxx

where the xxx part has to be unique to each device. Now you don't have to use that exactly, you could use 192.168.15.xxx for example if you wanted, but the point is that you need to have the first 3 sets of digits the same for all devices, and they all need a unique last set to replace the xxx

In my set up I follow a system where the

My mixing desks are all in the 10s, so

192.168.0.11
182.168.0.12 etc


access points are all in the 20s, so

192.168.0.21
192.168.0.22 etc (I have a couple for different systems/desks/jobs)

laptops all have 30 something on the end, 31, 32 etc etc,

and so on, so everything has a fixed unique address.


Once all that is all set up and everything is all talking to each other, that's all the hard work done.
Then when you start your stagemix app, you're telling it whatever IP address you've set for the desk, telling it to go look for the desk at xxx address on the network, and it should connect.


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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2019, 09:59:08 pm »

Yeah it's defo possible to get them working well, I had the M2 version for years and it worked great.

But like any professional product, it has lots of options and settings which on the one hand is great but on the other you need a little bit of knowledge to get them to work properly.

Thank you so much Kevin for your great explanation and guide, I will use your guidelines to setup my Bullet.

I just bough a Bullet AC B-DB-AC, it's one of the Dual Band units.

I'm just looking for a suitable Antenna and I will use it on the road.

Thank you so much

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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2019, 10:03:08 pm »

Next time let me know - I'll be happy to pay for shipping and you can send them to me.
They are fantastic APs once you "upgrade" their firmware to DD-WRT.

There's a few Bullet units that support DD-WRT, including the M2 and M5, so for those who found the setup difficult then changing for DD-WRT would probably make it simpler to setup.
Don't see any reason to trash these units then



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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2019, 04:20:14 pm »

Thank you so much Kevin for your great explanation and guide, I will use your guidelines to setup my Bullet.

I just bough a Bullet AC B-DB-AC, it's one of the Dual Band units.

I'm just looking for a suitable Antenna and I will use it on the road.

Thank you so much


 :-[ :-[

I would be cautious purchasing the newer AC range bullets. I haven't used one personally, but as far as I understood you can't turn AirMAX off in them, which means they don't work for desk control.

As said above, you may be able to flash it to DD-WRT and get it to work that way, haven't tried that.

Kev


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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2019, 04:42:30 pm »


 :-[ :-[

I would be cautious purchasing the newer AC range bullets. I haven't used one personally, but as far as I understood you can't turn AirMAX off in them, which means they don't work for desk control.

As said above, you may be able to flash it to DD-WRT and get it to work that way, haven't tried that.

Kev
I believe all of the Ubiquiti UniFi series APs work fine for desk control.
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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2019, 01:34:37 pm »

I believe all of the Ubiquiti UniFi series APs work fine for desk control.

Yeah, can confirm, as that's what I use now. 

My Bullet M2 worked great for what it was, but as 2.4ghz became more and more crowded I wanted to move to 5. I was just gonna buy a Bullet AC, but realised at the last minute that you couldn't turn off AirMAX and got a UniFi Mesh instead, which also works great.

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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2019, 01:58:54 pm »

There are so many Ubiquiti products that I'm completely confused by what the differences are between them. I see many posts on this forum & others that state these things work really well, but I've been afraid to purchase one due to my very limited networking knowledge and threads like these.

Here is the unit I'm looking at, which has the PoE feature:
https://amzn.to/2MlGBKJ

Any thoughts on this?
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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2019, 07:31:29 pm »

I was just gonna buy a Bullet AC, but realised at the last minute that you couldn't turn off AirMAX and got a UniFi Mesh instead, which also works great.
Kev

Oh Really????????

gosh, I already bought the unit, I didn't know that. Crazy

So if there's no option to disable AirMax it cant be used has an AP or Bridge?
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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2019, 07:40:19 pm »

As said above, you may be able to flash it to DD-WRT and get it to work that way, haven't tried that.

at least on the DD-WRT website it doesn't list the Bullet AC on the supported hardware only the following ones:



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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2019, 08:49:29 am »

There are so many Ubiquiti products that I'm completely confused by what the differences are between them. I see many posts on this forum & others that state these things work really well, but I've been afraid to purchase one due to my very limited networking knowledge and threads like these.

Here is the unit I'm looking at, which has the PoE feature:
https://amzn.to/2MlGBKJ
That is the unit the I ended up buying.  I got mine from B&H Photo for $92 including tax and shipping.  Amazon does not always have the best prices ;)

You will need to install the Ubiquity App to configure the Mesh, and when you do, make sure that you plug the Mesh into a network with internet access.  That was the only difficulty that I had with getting mine to work and I am not very knowledgeable about networking either.  The "flying saucer" Ubiquity APs have a QR code on them that the app can scan for setup, but the the Mesh APs do not, and I could not get mine to show up in the App until I plugged it into my home network (I was trying to configure it while plugged into the band's LAN.)  To date, I've only used the Mesh AP once for a street festival, but it performed really well and I'm happy with the purchase. 
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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2019, 10:40:26 am »

You will need to install the Ubiquity App to configure the Mesh, and when you do, make sure that you plug the Mesh into a network with internet access. 
Same here. I first connected my UAP-AC-LR to my mixer network and right off was blocked by a pop up that required upgrading the firmware. After connecting it to my home network and completing that step setup went fairly smoothly.
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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2019, 12:23:35 pm »

There are so many Ubiquiti products that I'm completely confused by what the differences are between them. I see many posts on this forum & others that state these things work really well, but I've been afraid to purchase one due to my very limited networking knowledge and threads like these.

Here is the unit I'm looking at, which has the PoE feature:
https://amzn.to/2MlGBKJ

Any thoughts on this?

I have that one as well.

I had trouble with it until someone, Scott H, I think, pointed out a setting to disable. I donít remember what it was but it had to do with uplink monitoring I think.

After that, it works great.

Scott disagrees with me on this but, my normal configuration has a Netgear WNDR router/firewall/switch/dhcp server always as part of the network. I have 2.4gHz turned off for the Netgear and the AP. I keep a small switch in the mixer doghouse so there is one cable out (the mixer and Dante plug into the switch) to the Netgear. The mesh AP POE injector also plugs in to either the Netgear or the console switch (convenient as there is also a power strip in the doghouse),  then up to the AP on a pole. This lets me plug the WAN port of the Netgear into my shop network while setting things up to download updates and such and never have to reconfigure the network settings of the audio gear (and then put them back hopefully).
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Re: Ubiquiti Bullet M5 with iPad and StageMix
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2019, 01:10:55 pm »

That is the unit the I ended up buying.  I got mine from B&H Photo for $92 including tax and shipping.  Amazon does not always have the best prices ;)

You will need to install the Ubiquity App to configure the Mesh, and when you do, make sure that you plug the Mesh into a network with internet access.  That was the only difficulty that I had with getting mine to work and I am not very knowledgeable about networking either.  The "flying saucer" Ubiquity APs have a QR code on them that the app can scan for setup, but the the Mesh APs do not, and I could not get mine to show up in the App until I plugged it into my home network (I was trying to configure it while plugged into the band's LAN.)  To date, I've only used the Mesh AP once for a street festival, but it performed really well and I'm happy with the purchase.

Awesome & thanks! After confirmation here, I think I'll get it. I've got a brand new Ui24 that I haven't used yet due to being too booked, but it's starting to slow down now.
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