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Mark Sexton

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Mixer/DSP for retail space
« on: July 27, 2011, 06:32:16 pm »

We're looking at standardizing the sound systems in all of our retail spaces and I'm looking for mixer/dsp combinations that have little or no control on them without connecting to a computer.  We'd like to make it so only someone who knows what they're doing can make changes instead of our current situation where we have a variety of amplifier and mixer knobs that anyone working in that particular place can adjust.
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Re: Mixer/DSP for retail space
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2011, 06:41:24 pm »

We're looking at standardizing the sound systems in all of our retail spaces and I'm looking for mixer/dsp combinations that have little or no control on them without connecting to a computer.  We'd like to make it so only someone who knows what they're doing can make changes instead of our current situation where we have a variety of amplifier and mixer knobs that anyone working in that particular place can adjust.

What does it need to be capable of?
Inputs, Mic vs. Line, Mono vs. stereo?
Phantom power?
XLR, RCA or terminal strip?
Zones of output?
VCA control of zones?
ducking?
Fire alarm interface?

Other needs?

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Re: Mixer/DSP for retail space
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2011, 10:21:09 pm »

We're looking at standardizing the sound systems in all of our retail spaces and I'm looking for mixer/dsp combinations that have little or no control on them without connecting to a computer.  We'd like to make it so only someone who knows what they're doing can make changes instead of our current situation where we have a variety of amplifier and mixer knobs that anyone working in that particular place can adjust.

You may find that there is a significant difference between limiting the controls available and making it where someone needs to connect a computer and be conversant with the related software in order to do anything.  So in addition to the type of factors Lee noted, you might want to think about whether the goal is really to prevent having any control without connecting a computer or if it is more to provide some limited control without a computer connected.

As an example, not having any volume control without connecting a computer and running some software seems rather impractical for most situations, however some devices might let you have a remote control that provides input and/or master volume controls but to then limit the range over which those controls operate.  So you might have something like a small wall mount controller that would let users select the current source and make minor level adjustments, but then require a computer for anything beyond that.

And of course one often critical factor is budget, so how much you are looking to spend on these devices?
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Re: Mixer/DSP for retail space
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2011, 12:19:16 am »


You may find that there is a significant difference between limiting the controls available and making it where someone needs to connect a computer and be conversant with the related software in order to do anything.  So in addition to the type of factors Lee noted, you might want to think about whether the goal is really to prevent having any control without connecting a computer or if it is more to provide some limited control without a computer connected.

As an example, not having any volume control without connecting a computer and running some software seems rather impractical for most situations, however some devices might let you have a remote control that provides input and/or master volume controls but to then limit the range over which those controls operate.  So you might have something like a small wall mount controller that would let users select the current source and make minor level adjustments, but then require a computer for anything beyond that.

And of course one often critical factor is budget, so how much you are looking to spend on these devices?

Thanks Brad and Lee. Good thoughts.  I guess I should have further qualified my first post. I have a variety of different configurations, so I'm looking at different product families to evaluate against our different needs. A few products that may work are

dbx ZonePro
Symetrix Jupiter
Ashly PEMA (all in one unit with amplifiers)

are there other similar product families out there that have similar capabilities?
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Re: Mixer/DSP for retail space
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2011, 10:22:16 pm »

Thanks Brad and Lee. Good thoughts.  I guess I should have further qualified my first post. I have a variety of different configurations, so I'm looking at different product families to evaluate against our different needs. A few products that may work are

dbx ZonePro
Symetrix Jupiter
Ashly PEMA (all in one unit with amplifiers)

are there other similar product families out there that have similar capabilities?

Rane RPM88 & RPM44 (and associated remote control options).
http://rane.com/rpm88.html

Ashly ne series.
http://www.ashly.com/neseriesxx00.html

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Re: Mixer/DSP for retail space
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2011, 07:48:50 am »

I guess I should have further qualified my first post. I have a variety of different configurations, so I'm looking at different product families to evaluate against our different needs. A few products that may work are

dbx ZonePro
Symetrix Jupiter
Ashly PEMA (all in one unit with amplifiers)

are there other similar product families out there that have similar capabilities?
So the needs vary and you are considering products that vary, but apparently cannot provide details on the applications or requirements.  So the following is offered without really knowing what is needed or wanted:


Biamp Nexia or Audia
Peavey MediaMatrix Nion
Lectrosonics DM or Aspen
XTA DC
EAW DX1208
Allen & Heath iDR
Rane RPM

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Re: Mixer/DSP for retail space
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2011, 09:50:48 pm »

We're looking at standardizing the sound systems in all of our retail spaces and I'm looking for mixer/dsp combinations that have little or no control on them without connecting to a computer.  We'd like to make it so only someone who knows what they're doing can make changes instead of our current situation where we have a variety of amplifier and mixer knobs that anyone working in that particular place can adjust.

I've used the DBX Zone Pro with great success on a number of installs.  The end user still has control over source, volume (within a range you set), and muting for each zone, but they can't touch the gain, eq, xover, gating, etc.  You can also put wall controls in each zone, interface with the fire alarm, and assign priority paging and source override. 

You should be able to pick one up for about $1000
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Re: Mixer/DSP for retail space
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2011, 10:26:59 pm »

We're looking at standardizing the sound systems in all of our retail spaces and I'm looking for mixer/dsp combinations that have little or no control on them without connecting to a computer.  We'd like to make it so only someone who knows what they're doing can make changes instead of our current situation where we have a variety of amplifier and mixer knobs that anyone working in that particular place can adjust.

I like the BSS Blu100.  It's nicely configured for most applications and can provide a defineable user interface for a local computer that only allows access to what the end user needs with the correct password.  A simple inwall volume and switch interface can control whatever you assign it to.
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Re: Mixer/DSP for retail space
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2011, 10:33:43 am »

If you only need 1 or 2 external volume controls the Jupiter series is very cost-effective and very straight forward in it's operation.
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Re: Mixer/DSP for retail space
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2011, 10:54:02 am »

Products designed for fixed install will often offer security covers to prevent the meat socks from twiddling where they shouldn't.

While I was at Peavey I even developed a knob with a long shaft built into the back of the knob, so the installer could selectively remove the knobs from just the controls he wanted to protect, and cover the empty holes with hole plugs.

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Re: Mixer/DSP for retail space
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2011, 09:45:35 pm »

We have been using Ashly stuff for the last couple years with great success. We have been using their NE series amplifiers for smaller restaurant stuff, and their larger ne24.24m processor with QSC and Lab Gruppen Amplifiers for larger stuff. They have many different remote control options if you want they or they can be locked out.

Also all the knobs and buttons on the NE stuff can be disabled in the programming.
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Re: Mixer/DSP for retail space
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2012, 09:27:38 pm »

Check out Ateis by Penton Audio, you can't imagine what all it does in the audio field.....amazing....I use this in all my installations.... 



Products designed for fixed install will often offer security covers to prevent the meat socks from twiddling where they shouldn't.

While I was at Peavey I even developed a knob with a long shaft built into the back of the knob, so the installer could selectively remove the knobs from just the controls he wanted to protect, and cover the empty holes with hole plugs.

JR
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