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g'bye, Dick Rees

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Re: Yorkville Coliseum Series: Any Experience?
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2011, 10:29:21 am »

Jake....

I took a peek at your photos and didn't see a lot of stuff "on stage", so am wondering if you couldn't do with a 24 channel desk instead of 32. 

Just a thought.


This has been discussed but for the price difference (< $500) for the 32 vs. 24 we believe the board will better serve us in future for any expansion. 

2 Guitars
1 Bass
1 Keybaord
5 drum mics (maybe more)
7 vocal mics
2 Spoken word mics
1 Computer
1 CD
1 Cassette

That's 21 channels of the top of my head, maybe its gluttony to want a 32 channel, but I have been fighting the battle of not having enough channels for so long that I want to make sure that is not a problem any longer.

I'll agree that more channels are good.  And don't forget to add EFX returns to your channel count.  Each individual effect will require its own channel.  So if you have a reverb and a delay, add two return channels to the count.

32 it is, then.......

Now you'll be fine until you see how handy it would be to have 10 aux sends!!!
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Re: Yorkville Coliseum Series: Any Experience?
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2011, 11:25:51 am »

Getting even more technical, the 124dBSPL max output is apparently based on the 99dB/1W/1m sensitivity and the 300W "Program" power rating, so that would be 121dB continuous and 127dB peak.  However, we don't know what the 99dB/1W/1m sensitivity really represents, is it a maximum of 99dB at any frequency, a minimum of 99dB over the stated frequency range or what?  That could be a factor in full range operation as the output at some frequencies could potentially be quite a bit less.

In looking at the changes planned, don't forget to try to include some processing for the speaker system.



I am fairly new to the Pro Sound world and I am not familiar with the X's and O's of speaker specs.  I am not quite sure how to tell if a certain set of speakers will be more powerful than another.  When I read specs and see one speaker with 122 dB output and another with 128 dB output, when I do the math thats only about 5% difference.  Also almost all of the specs I read have a max output of 120 - 128 dB, is the dB scale exponential (like the richter scale).  I am a mechanical engineer but V=IR was about as far as my studies went into the electrical side of things.

As far as more powerful speakers can anyone recommend some flyable speakers, maybe in the $1200 or less range if possible, but if not we are willing to spend the extra money for a quality job.

 



 
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Re: Yorkville Coliseum Series: Any Experience?
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2011, 11:50:17 am »


I am fairly new to the Pro Sound world and I am not familiar with the X's and O's of speaker specs.  I am not quite sure how to tell if a certain set of speakers will be more powerful than another.  When I read specs and see one speaker with 122 dB output and another with 128 dB output, when I do the math thats only about 5% difference.  Also almost all of the specs I read have a max output of 120 - 128 dB, is the dB scale exponential (like the richter scale).  I am a mechanical engineer but V=IR was about as far as my studies went into the electrical side of things.

As far as more powerful speakers can anyone recommend some flyable speakers, maybe in the $1200 or less range if possible, but if not we are willing to spend the extra money for a quality job.
Indeed decibels are logarithmic.  A 6dB level difference is a doubling, so a speaker rated at 130dBSPL is twice as loud as one rated at 124dBSPL.  This is complicated by a number of factors - peak and average, and other things, so it's not always easy to directly compare two speakers by this one number. 

The inverse square law tells us that the volume halves every doubling of distance, or 6dB, which is where my numbers came from.

Keep in mind that just because a speaker is able to produce a lot of sound, it still has a volume control, so it doesn't have to be louder in practice, but more generation capability gives you more headroom, which is a good thing from both a sound quality standpoint and a longevity standpoint, as more powerful gear will be run less hard compared to less powerful gear at a given output volume.

There are a lot of speakers that may be a better fit than the Yorkvilles, but please tell us if $1200 is per speaker and other money is available for other components - amplifiers, processing, installation labor, etc., or if you're talking $1200 total.
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Re: Yorkville Coliseum Series: Any Experience?
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2011, 12:15:08 pm »

please tell us if $1200 is per speaker and other money is available for other components - amplifiers, processing, installation labor, etc., or if you're talking $1200 total.


That price of $1200 would be per speaker and not including labor or processing, as that cost would apply to all no matter what speaker you went with, unless I go with a powered pair. (not likely though)
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Re: Yorkville Coliseum Series: Any Experience?
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2011, 12:31:48 pm »


That price of $1200 would be per speaker and not including labor or processing, as that cost would apply to all no matter what speaker you went with, unless I go with a powered pair. (not likely though)
Others will probably be able to offer more suggestions, but you may want to look at:

JBL AE series - http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/general/Product.aspx?PId=317&MId=2 for example
The Yorkville Unity Coliseum - http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?type=29&cat=5&id=269
and maybe a budget stretcher - Nexo PS15R2 - http://nexo-sa.com/en/products/27/ps15-r2/

Lots of options at lots of price points - hopefully your installer can help you wade through these issues. 
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