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Jack Arnott

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What the heck happened whist I was gone?
« on: January 21, 2011, 11:05:30 PM »

I mean I'm gone a couple of months and you burn the dump down!

First off to you "Newbs" like Evan, this is maybe the sixth time this has happened. Nothing new.
(OOPs, I signed an oath that I would not write falsehoods. That is quite rich for a site that is not about content, but advertising.) ;D

Anyway, it's happened before. It's a corporate enterprise, not one of passion or individual integrity.
It's like eating at McDonalds. Not at a privately owned restaurant, like it was when Dave had it.
Does the food suck? Yes, and we never get to see Mr (or MS) Soundweb.
I get the feeling they don't even correspond with moderators. No one certainly has their back when shit hits the fan.

Dave would never let that happen.

But, if you're going to eat crappy food, at least you can do it in good company.

So here's to you, the person who contributes here, and the interaction I can have with you.

Lets enjoy this one till it inevitably burns too.  ::)

Regards, Jack

(And I never got to smote, or had a karma run over my dogma.)  :)
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Re: What the heck happened whist I was gone?
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2011, 08:27:33 AM »

Agreed... The community is what matters, not the site.

Yes, it sucks that the new format isn't quite as nice as the old one.

Yes, it sucks that everything posted before the transition will he destroyed.

But if the new forum can continue to be a place where I can get solutions for my inane little problems and annoying questions, or where I can contribute to other people's issues, then I will continue to come here on a daily basis.

I really wish some of those "I'll never use the new site" would reconsider. Their decision is truly unfortunate for all.
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Mac Kerr

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Re: What the heck happened whist I was gone?
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2011, 11:50:18 AM »

Yes, it sucks that everything posted before the transition will he destroyed.

I would love to know where this misinformation came from, and why, after repeated corrections, it continues to be posted.

From the very first conference calls we have been told that if the old forums could not be integrated into the new ones, and they can't, that there would be a searchable archive. What form it will take we don't know yet, but there will be one.

Mac
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Jack Arnott

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Re: What the heck happened whist I was gone?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2011, 02:21:54 PM »

I would love to know where this misinformation came from, and why, after repeated corrections, it continues to be posted.

Mac

I really don't care one way or another. The search function was so horrible that the old forum hardly existed beyond the last two pages to me anyway.

Beyond this, perhaps it gets its life in the fact that we have heard the same thing the last time this happened.

(Don't worry, we will fix it in the mix.)  :)

Regards, Jack
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Mac Kerr

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Re: What the heck happened whist I was gone?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2011, 02:43:33 PM »

I really don't care one way or another. The search function was so horrible that the old forum hardly existed beyond the last two pages to me anyway.

Beyond this, perhaps it gets its life in the fact that we have heard the same thing the last time this happened.

(Don't worry, we will fix it in the mix.)  :)

Regards, Jack

The search function in the archive truly does suck. The search function in the LAB isn't nearly as bad as everyone claims. Most of the time when someone says that couldn't find what they were looking for, I found it with the LAB search in a couple of minutes. It is a simple keyword search and isn't as sophisticated as Google, but it almost always found what I was looking for.

And yes, we are hearing the same thing, and just like last time, there will be a searchable archive. This particular complaint is much ado about nothing.

Mac
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Re: What the heck happened whist I was gone?
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2011, 03:13:05 PM »

My apologies, Mac... from reading a lot of the early discussions, the impression myself (and obviously many other concerned participants) was that the old Forums would not be archived.  I may have missed the correction simply because keeping up on those particular threads was just becoming too much of a depressing discussion to follow.

It is truly FANTASTIC news that the old site will be archived.  All the more reason for people to quit the crap-shoveling and get back to working and participating on this valuable resource and community.

And I thank you, Mac, and the rest of the mods/admins/etc for working so hard on all of this and being patient with all of the negativity.
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Re: What the heck happened whist I was gone?
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2011, 03:21:49 PM »

My apologies, Mac... from reading a lot of the early discussions, the impression myself (and obviously many other concerned participants) was that the old Forums would not be archived.  I may have missed the correction simply because keeping up on those particular threads was just becoming too much of a depressing discussion to follow.

It is truly FANTASTIC news that the old site will be archived.  All the more reason for people to quit the crap-shoveling and get back to working and participating on this valuable resource and community.

And I thank you, Mac, and the rest of the mods/admins/etc for working so hard on all of this and being patient with all of the negativity.

Thanks for the support. It has been trying, and it is sad that some members felt that they had to go elsewhere, but we will continue to try to make this set of forums as good as it can be. It continues to be the member participation that gives value to any forum, and these professional sound forums, both live SR and recording, in particular.

Mac
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Re: What the heck happened whist I was gone?
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2011, 03:43:14 PM »

I like the new site.

The "web" for the past 15 years:

<Old Site>
 - "This site is terrible, why don't you change this, fix that, what were you thinking?"
 - "We really hate this site."
<New site launched>
 - "This site is terrible, why don't you change this, fix that, what were you thinking?"
 - "We really loved the old site."


Rinse and repeat....
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Jack Arnott

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Re: What the heck happened whist I was gone?
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2011, 04:26:00 PM »


<Old Site>
 - "This site is terrible, why don't you change this, fix that, what were you thinking?"
 - "We really hate this site."
<New site launched>
 - "This site is terrible, why don't you change this, fix that, what were you thinking?"
 - "We really loved the old site."


The new xxxx album sucks.
They have truly abandoned their fans and their musical roots.
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Re: What the heck happened whist I was gone?
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2011, 07:55:06 PM »

I like the new site.

The "web" for the past 15 years:

<Old Site>
 - "This site is terrible, why don't you change this, fix that, what were you thinking?"
 - "We really hate this site."
<New site launched>
 - "This site is terrible, why don't you change this, fix that, what were you thinking?"
 - "We really loved the old site."


Rinse and repeat....

 :) 

The biggest thing I see on the new site is that the readable text field is only about 5" across on my laptop. (a 14.1" diagonal laptop.  This is further compouded by my use of the bookmark bar on the left edge of the screen - which takes about 2" of space.  That leaves about 3" or so of text area.

On the FUD website, there was a useful horizontal area of about 9"-10" across, regardless of whether I had the bookmark bar turned on or off on the left hand side.

P.S.  Since this is a login-based system, what in the world do they have a Captcha verification for??  ::)

P.P.S.  After I post, why did it return me to the previous screen with the listing of all the forum posts?
« Last Edit: January 22, 2011, 07:56:46 PM by Chris Davis »
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Mac Kerr

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Re: What the heck happened reading?
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2011, 08:12:45 PM »

P.S.  Since this is a login-based system, what in the world do they have a Captcha verification for??


The Capcha screen goes away after 2 posts. Until a few days ago we also had admin approval of registration, which was needed to stop the flood of spambots that made it past the original 5 capcha posts. As the forums were open for a while the flood slowed down and we got rid of approval and 3 capcha screens.

P.P.S.  After I post, why did it return me to the previous screen with the listing of all the forum posts?

Because you didn't go to your profile and set things up the way you want them.

You may also find Membergroups useful.

Mac
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Re: What the heck happened reading?
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2011, 09:30:22 PM »

Thanks Mac.  That helps things out.

Chris
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Re: What the heck happened whist I was gone?
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2011, 11:25:34 PM »

Well, I say change is good. Having been a long time member round here, I have now seen 4 (I think, I don't really pay attention to this crap in all reality. It is just software and presentation methodology to me and I really don't get overly up in arms about it at all.  It is the people and information that they provide on here that is the important bit) software changes since the days of this little communitys beginnings.  Hell, I can't even remember how long I have been an active member........ something along the lines of at least 8 or 9 years.

Too much panic for no reason I say........  besides, no sense getting too comfortable with software things nowdays, it all changes quickly.   Only thing I would like to see is support for Tapatalk.  Makes accessing from a mobile device a lot smoother.

Thanks.

Keep up the good work Mac.
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Re: What the heck happened whist I was gone?
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2011, 12:46:20 AM »

I would love to know where this misinformation came from, and why, after repeated corrections, it continues to be posted.

It came from because that's what was going to happen when the announcement was made.  Then after much consternation they backed down.  But the damage control wasn't good enough and they didn't do a good enough job at walking that position back.
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Re: What the heck happened whist I was gone?
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2011, 10:56:49 AM »

It came from because that's what was going to happen when the announcement was made.  Then after much consternation they backed down.  But the damage control wasn't good enough and they didn't do a good enough job at walking that position back.
I have to say that it was initially pretty clear that only specific threads or posts requested would be brought over and I did feel the members were put in the position of not only having to justify anything different but also berated for not supporting the planned process.  I'm glad to see a commitment to port everything over in some form of searchable archive and to address many of the other issues but the handling of the existing information base along with some other aspects of the transition seemed rather poorly planned and communicated.  I think much of that may be attributed to the new forums being made public, and in fact linked from the PSW Forums home site, while apparently still being viewed by the creators and admin as being in "Beta" status.
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Re: What the heck happened
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2011, 11:22:09 AM »

It came from because that's what was going to happen when the announcement was made.  Then after much consternation they backed down.  But the damage control wasn't good enough and they didn't do a good enough job at walking that position back.

Dave,

Doug, Tom Young, and I, and Brad Blackwood from the REP side were on conference calls starting in Oct. When the first call began there was no plan to save the old data. When the 4 of us protested that this was not acceptable we were assured that if the old data could not be integrated into the new site it would be saved as a searchable archive. This was 2 months before any announcement. I don't know where your information is coming from, but you were not on any of the calls I was on.

There is no question that the announcement was mishandled. It has cost this site in reputation and credibility. It has cost this site some valuable members, you among them, but that train has left the station. The only thing we can do now is try to make this site the best that it can be. There will be an archive. We are working on ways to make the flat view only software more usable. We are trying to move forward rather than looking backward.

There is a forum in the Bugs and Comments section at the top of the page where we are asking for suggestions and comments from the members so we know what the members want. Some things will not be feasible, there will not be threaded view for instance, but what is feasible will be addressed. When we moved to FUD forum software, I don't remember taking part in the decision to choose that software, maybe the folks complaining that they were left out of the process this time were consulted back then, I wasn't.

Till the next time the whole world changes we're going to keep trying to improve what has been the best pro audio website on the Internet. If some of the luster has been lost in the translation, we will try to bring it back.

Catch ya on the flip side.

Mac
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Re: What the heck happened
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2011, 11:49:08 AM »

Dave,

Doug, Tom Young, and I, and Brad Blackwood from the REP side were on conference calls starting in Oct. When the first call began there was no plan to save the old data. When the 4 of us protested that this was not acceptable we were assured that if the old data could not be integrated into the new site it would be saved as a searchable archive. This was 2 months before any announcement. I don't know where your information is coming from, but you were not on any of the calls I was on.
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How about here..  in January from a presumed authority on the transition,
http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,67.msg338.html#msg338
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There is no question that the announcement was mishandled. It has cost this site in reputation and credibility. It has cost this site some valuable members, you among them, but that train has left the station. The only thing we can do now is try to make this site the best that it can be. There will be an archive. We are working on ways to make the flat view only software more usable. We are trying to move forward rather than looking backward.
amen... that's all everybody wants.
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There is a forum in the Bugs and Comments section at the top of the page where we are asking for suggestions and comments from the members so we know what the members want. Some things will not be feasible, there will not be threaded view for instance, but what is feasible will be addressed. When we moved to FUD forum software, I don't remember taking part in the decision to choose that software, maybe the folks complaining that they were left out of the process this time were consulted back then, I wasn't.
I started out pretty active there.. even trying to suggest ways to better manage the problem of archiving posts, until I lost interest, for several reasons.
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Till the next time the whole world changes we're going to keep trying to improve what has been the best pro audio website on the Internet. If some of the luster has been lost in the translation, we will try to bring it back.

Catch ya on the flip side.

Mac
I am tempted to say good luck, but luck has nothing to do with this.

I feel for you guys who serve as lightning rods for the obvious displeasure from the community.

This is a business with obvious value, somebody needs to shepherd that value.

JR
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Re: What the heck happened
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