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Mark Schneider

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playing to click tracks
« on: June 23, 2011, 02:59:43 PM »

The music dirrector at a churh recently decided they want to look into having the live band play to a click track with recorded music.  The band currently used wedge monitors, as in-ear monitors are not in the budget to purchase.  His thought is that we give the just the drummer a set of headphones (on a seperate monitor mix), so they can hear the "click", then have everyone else follow his beat. 

Would the above situation work?  Assuming we can add the extra headphoe monitor channel for the drummer, are they other complications to consider?  Or any other thoughts on this matter, anything we are missing?
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Re: playing to click tracks
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2011, 03:59:29 PM »

The music dirrector at a churh recently decided they want to look into having the live band play to a click track with recorded music.  The band currently used wedge monitors, as in-ear monitors are not in the budget to purchase.  His thought is that we give the just the drummer a set of headphones (on a seperate monitor mix), so they can hear the "click", then have everyone else follow his beat. 

Would the above situation work?  Assuming we can add the extra headphoe monitor channel for the drummer, are they other complications to consider?  Or any other thoughts on this matter, anything we are missing?
This can work, and it's fairly common.  I'm guessing he wants something like an orchestra track to play along with the live band? 
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Re: playing to click tracks
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2011, 04:07:01 PM »

Hey Mark,

It would be a start to the process.

You could try it that way and see how well it works.

At least then you could work on it and evaluate it.

In the short term you could give the drummer his own mix from the desk with the click and loop,....

or give the drummer a small mixer, then send the mix to him, then have the click and loop fed to that mixer, along with a back up click metronome like a roland dr beat etc. He would adjust the level of his overall mix, and eq, level of loop, click, and backup click. This free's up your foh console a bit in the short term and gives him more flex and control in the long term.

The back up click could be used for songs without a loop track and to help the drummer practice and get used to playing with a click, and have a quick reference for what correct tempos are.

On the flip side in many setups more then just the drummer need and use the click and the loop, and usually at different levels to really make clicks and tracks work. Usually the conductor, band leader, worship leader, band, and some singers will want the click and loop. If so yeah more ears would be needed to keep the click unheard in the house.

Are there any songs using click where the drums drop out from keeping time??

If the drummer is the only one on the click and he gets ahead or behind no one else would know to try and direct or drive the tempo correctly.

You could give it to the drummer to start see how it goes. Plan for lots of rehearsal for the drummer and band and worship leader to get the process  down and comfortable.

Then later add an ear mix for the worship leader and grow from there depending on your needs and situation.

I hope that helps.

Good luck

David
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Re: playing to click tracks
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2011, 04:09:23 PM »

I like the idea of a Click Track

Some music actually gives you the option of ordering the Track with a Click.

If the Drummer "Needs" a click track, Headphones could cause him to just play Louder, Not in time  :(

Regards,  John

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Re: playing to click tracks
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2011, 04:56:08 PM »

I like the idea of a Click Track

Some music actually gives you the option of ordering the Track with a Click.

If the Drummer "Needs" a click track, Headphones could cause him to just play Louder, Not in time  :(

Regards,  John

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That's why you give them drum in the headphones.  That'll quiet them down real quick.   ;)
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Re: playing to click tracks
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2011, 10:55:36 AM »

His thought is that we give the just the drummer a set of headphones (on a seperate monitor mix), so they can hear the "click", then have everyone else follow his beat. 
I have seen click tracks make a grown man cry! Some of the best drummers throughout time have not been able to lock with a click track, defiantly test before. Sometimes it will cause a great drummer to loose his groove/soul, others... well lets just say something has to keep time because that drummer was not.
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Re: playing to click tracks
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2011, 12:22:57 AM »

The music dirrector at a churh recently decided they want to look into having the live band play to a click track with recorded music.  The band currently used wedge monitors, as in-ear monitors are not in the budget to purchase.  His thought is that we give the just the drummer a set of headphones (on a seperate monitor mix), so they can hear the "click", then have everyone else follow his beat. 

Would the above situation work?  Assuming we can add the extra headphoe monitor channel for the drummer, are they other complications to consider?  Or any other thoughts on this matter, anything we are missing?

We have our entire band on in-ears.  Usually the whole band gets click, but occasionally just the drummer gets it.

In our case this is click *only* - there's no accompanying recorded music going out to the house or anything.  It's generated by a metronome on a stand next to the drummer, who controls it.
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Re: playing to click tracks
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2011, 12:58:03 PM »

We have our entire band on in-ears.  Usually the whole band gets click, but occasionally just the drummer gets it.

In our case this is click *only* - there's no accompanying recorded music going out to the house or anything.  It's generated by a metronome on a stand next to the drummer, who controls it.

Another one with the whole band (8-10 vocal, 10 piece band) getting the click track - and in our case this includes some backing music and spoken cues for the worship team. Everyone is on in-ears of course and new people are given some practice time to get used too before they are integrated into the schedule. The click is initiated by the worship team leader on stage using an iPod, fed to FOH. One side is the click, other side has backing music - usually the rare instrumentation that is appropriately fed into the main mix. We run 10 in-ear mixes....

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Re: playing to click tracks
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2011, 05:39:35 PM »

Click definitely takes some getting used to for the band if they have never used it before.  We never used it until about 3 years ago and now use it for 4 out of 5 songs on at a service typically.  We use Aviom's for most of the band.  When we started, only the drummer would listen to click, but now all the band has the option.  If something goes wrong, and it sometimes does, our band leader kills the track and the congregation never notices anything happened as the band just keeps following the drummer as we always do.
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