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Christopher John

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EQing help!
« on: January 19, 2011, 12:41:28 pm »

Hi Guys, I need helping a team better EQ with an M7CL!  Attached is a quick pic of the drums.

Let me know where to look or send me pics of your console eq curves.  Thanks!

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Re: EQing help!
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2011, 12:46:13 pm »

Hi Guys, I need help

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Re: EQing help!
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2011, 07:04:16 pm »

Hi Guys, I need helping a team better EQ with an M7CL!  Attached is a quick pic of the drums.

Let me know where to look or send me pics of your console eq curves.  Thanks!

I'd like to help you eq your drums, but I can't hear them through the internets. So I'll need you to identify and tell me the frequencies that don't sound right, as well as if you think there is too much or little of those frequencies, and I'll give you advice. Or we could cut out the middleman, and you could figure it out, like every other sound person on this planet, by listening and trying things out.

Make an adjustment, if it sounds better keep it, if it sounds worse get rid of it.



Also, kick should be on ch 1, not 17, snare should be on 2, you need to add hat on ch 3, and toms should be on 4. Also, you need to have 2 kick mics, 2 snare mics, and it doesn't matter if the kit has been tuned.

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Re: EQing help!
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2011, 09:48:40 pm »

Can't really tell much from the pic (can't hear it) but it appears that your are killing them by taking every bit of attack away.
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Re: EQing help!
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2011, 01:05:08 am »

I learnt a long time ago that looking at the graphic display means nothing. You mix with your ears, not your eyes
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Re: EQing help!
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2011, 02:02:35 am »

Also, kick should be on ch 1, not 17, snare should be on 2, you need to add hat on ch 3, and toms should be on 4. Also, you need to have 2 kick mics, 2 snare mics, and it doesn't matter if the kit has been tuned.

Says who? I pretty much never have the kick on channel one. In fact I rarely have ANYthing on channel one. I keep my inputs patched closer to the center of the console so I have to stretch less to reach them.

Also, I always patch so that the vocals (or violin 1 if no vocals) are on the first faders, from there I go in score order--strings, woodwinds, brass, piano, percussion and odd inputs like video, or playback at the bottom of the input list. I will also many times leave an empty spacer channel between groups of inputs.

There's nothing special about putting the kick drum on the first channel.
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Re: EQing help!
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2011, 02:33:32 am »

I have to agree with Justice there when it comes to you and only you mixing, put it where you want. If it makes sense to you and no poor bastard has to come in and decipher it who cares?

Now when I send an input list that shows kick 1 on 1, kick 2 on 2, snare top on 3, snare bottom on 4, etc I expect to see that. If not the changeover is gonna take a few minutes longer while we both get up there and re-patch.
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Re: EQing help!
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2011, 08:59:34 am »

Says who? I pretty much never have the kick on channel one. In fact I rarely have ANYthing on channel one. I keep my inputs patched closer to the center of the console so I have to stretch less to reach them.

You probably couldn't see Mike's tongue in his cheek from where you were sitting.  Besides, everyone knows that ch1 is where you put the Tesla Coil.

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Re: EQing help!
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2011, 10:20:26 am »

A few things:

Make sure the drums are in good shape, fresh heads, and TUNED properly.

What mic are you using on the kick drum?

Zero out that eq first.

Work on mic placement, get that sound as good as you can get it, then go back to the eq.

As others have said, use your ears, not the display.

Experiment, and not one hour before the gig during soundcheck if at all possible.

Best regards,

John
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Re: EQing help!
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2011, 11:04:12 am »

What mic are you using on the kick drum?
No!  :o

Andre
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Re: EQing help!
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2011, 12:20:45 pm »

You probably couldn't see Mike's tongue in his cheek from where you were sitting.  Besides, everyone knows that ch1 is where you put the Tesla Coil.

cl

Hey Clayton, it's been a while, good to see you around here!

Did I ever tell you about the time the motor slipped and part of the pa fell during the load out of that show in San Antonio? 

I was being sarcastic about the OPs situation.  Me telling him how his input list should be is as arbitrary as telling him how to eq a drum set I can't hear with unidentified microphones and unknown placement through an unspecified PA. 
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Re: EQing help!
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2011, 11:27:09 am »

Hi All,

Thanks for the feedback!  (no pun intended)

We run an e602 on the kick, and e604s on the snare top/bottom as well as the toms.

I agree with lining up the input list starting with kick, etc.  as it's most common on input lists.  It's good to have certain standards on a board that's used by many people in our facility. But, that doesn't matter as much as the sound coming out!

What I don't know is, are their standard setups for certain inputs.  For example, should Tom mics always have a Gate or is it different based on the setup?  Should certain instruments always have compression while others should never have compression???

Again, thanks for your help!
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Re: EQing help!
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2011, 02:28:57 pm »

What I don't know is, are their standard setups for certain inputs.  For example, should Tom mics always have a Gate or is it different based on the setup?  Should certain instruments always have compression while others should never have compression???

No. Individuals have their preferred ways of patching things but there's no universal insert configuration. Compressors and gates are for solving specific problems, not inserted simply by default.

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Re: EQing help!
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2011, 10:37:35 pm »

Here's pretty much what I do when I EQ something

1. Turn down other inputs
2. Zero out the EQ on the channel you want to adjust - turn the gain knobs to center, 0db.
3. Narrow the Q in the mid bands if you have it (you do on the M7)
4. Turn up the gain of one of the mid bands to +6db
5 Turn the frequency knob back and forth until you find a spot that sounds bad.
6 Turn down the gain on that band to until it sounds good.
7. Widen the Q of that band.
8. If the wider Q sounds better leave it, if it sounds worse, narrow it back until it's good again
9. Turn up the gain on the other mid band.
10. Turn the frequency knob on that band back and forth until you find something that sounds good.
11. Widen the Q of that band
12. If the wider Q sounds better leave it, if it's worse, narrow it back until it sounds good.
13. If you don't find frequencies that sound good, listen for more frequencies that sound bad and turn them down until they sound good.
13. Turn the gain knob of the high band up and down it sounds better.
14. Turn the gain knob of the low band up and down until it sounds better.
15. Turn the other inputs back up and see how it sounds in the mix.

On a board like the M7 where each EQ band is able to be fully parametric and you have sweepable high pass filter, I'll use the low band for a third mid range boost/cut.
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Re: EQing help!
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2011, 12:19:21 pm »

Some good tips from Taylor Phillips.

And you dont have to listen to the sound to give som guidelines!!

Some other quick tips, not definitive:

Kickdrum: -12/-18 on approx 400 hz (adjust sweep up and down to it sounds good.)
You find the "click" on 4K, if you wont to have it, or remove it.
Dont boost 40-60 hz just because you think it is right, almost never is.

Snare, you could remove som mid, 5-600hz, or add some mid 200hz, add som top 4-10K, or just leave it flat.

Toms, just HPF and leave it flat, or remove som mid, 3-600 and add som topp, all depending on the music.

You dont have to use the eq, just because jo have one, if you dont know what to do with it, leave it flat.

And use the HPF to tidy up your inputs.

The EQ is for coloring the sound, not making it. Many of the rookies I see, use way to much eq!

The lesser eq I use, the happier I am!!
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