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[Johnny Diaz]

Why is it the speakers can still blow up even if limiter are enabled on the processor? I always hear still have to monitor the levels even if you have the limiters enabled. 

[Alan Sledzieski]

Why is it the speakers can still blow up even if limiter are enabled on the processor? I always hear still have to monitor the levels even if you have the limiters enabled.

Because you can just keep driving them harder and harder and not clip the amps.  You think your safe because the limiter is hitting, but your actually putting more average power to them because you don't see the amp clipping, so you turn things up.

I set my limiter so the amp never clips any more, but when I see the limiter lite I don't keep turning things up.

[John Roberts {JR}]

Why is it the speakers can still blow up even if limiter are enabled on the processor? I always hear still have to monitor the levels even if you have the limiters enabled.

If you had a limiter that perfectly modeled how loudspeakers can overload (long term thermal, short term peak excursion, etc), it would indeed be difficult to damage speakers, but only some very sophisticated DSP based limiters come close.

In general a short term peak limiter does not prevent long term heating, or vice versa, so you need to manage a combination of multiple parameters.

JR

[David Parker]

Why is it the speakers can still blow up even if limiter are enabled on the processor? I always hear still have to monitor the levels even if you have the limiters enabled.

Years ago I had a behringer unit, processor of some sort, can't remember what it was, but it had a limiter, and also, if you stayed above the limiter for, I think it was 10 seconds, it dropped the output 10db to get your attention. Interesting feature.

[Johnny Diaz]

Case Study

Signal Chain below

Rane DJ Mixer--> DBX 260--> QSC Amp ---> Speaker.

Now I have the limiter enabled on the dbx.  I keep driving the DJ Mixer to clip and now the limiter is limiting.  What would happen if I don't bring down the gains on the mixer and it still clipping and the limit is limiting? 

[Tim McCulloch]

Case Study

Signal Chain below

Rane DJ Mixer--> DBX 260--> QSC Amp ---> Speaker.

Now I have the limiter enabled on the dbx.  I keep driving the DJ Mixer to clip and now the limiter is limiting.  What would happen if I don't bring down the gains on the mixer and it still clipping and the limit is limiting?

You'll blow your shit up.  You simply don't have Enough Rig for the Gig if you MUST push it this hard to get the levels you or your client desires.  That said, I find that most DJs have zero clue about how loud is appropriate and will run any and every device into clip.

[Bob Leonard]

Case Study

Signal Chain below

Rane DJ Mixer--> DBX 260--> QSC Amp ---> Speaker.

Now I have the limiter enabled on the dbx.  I keep driving the DJ Mixer to clip and now the limiter is limiting.  What would happen if I don't bring down the gains on the mixer and it still clipping and the limit is limiting?

You'll blow your shit up.  You simply don't have Enough Rig for the Gig if you MUST push it this hard to get the levels you or your client desires.  That said, I find that most DJs have zero clue about how loud is appropriate and will run any and every device into clip.

I went to a club run by DJs once. What a clip joint.

[Jeff Bankston]

 
I went to a club run by DJs once. What a clip joint.
[/quote]i see from your foto that your hair got clipped !!! curly !!!

[Russel Murton]

Why is it the speakers can still blow up even if limiter are enabled on the processor? I always hear still have to monitor the levels even if you have the limiters enabled.

RMS and peak limiting can help and setting your gain staging properly will also help.

[Rob Spence]

RMS and peak limiting can help and setting your gain staging properly will also help.

And using the gray matter analyzer will do wonders.

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