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brian frost

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I searched in the forums for similar content, but couldn't find anything recent...Apologies if I've overlooked a key thread.

I'm in the market for 6x compact, high spl monitor wedges for a regular venue gig mixing bands from foh. My budget is up to $2k ea retail. Tech rider friendly boxes ( w regard to branding ) is a must, as I'm trying to leverage the new purchase to seek new rentals of said monitor package outside of my current regular venue.

Recommendations anyone?
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I should note that hen I say compact I'm looking for something w 1x 15" or smaller main driver, as I tend to do work w smaller club stages.
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I should note that hen I say compact I'm looking for something w 1x 15" or smaller main driver, as I tend to do work w smaller club stages.

EAW Microwedge 12?

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Hi Brian, I've only been mixing for 30 yrs. but I recently did a 2 yr. stint in a 2500 seat Casino showroom w/ a steady stream of" acts you've heard" of and the 10 jbl 712 monitors they had performed wonderfully. The only folks that don't use 'em have in ears. 
For the occasional keyboardist/bassist who wants a wedge w/ 15's for the extra low end, I use Turbosound TXD 15M's and for drummers who want big kik the TXD 252's. 
All these boxes have hi-quality large format drivers, beefy crossovers, have smooth natural sounding mids, clean crispy highs, and warm punchy lows, require minmal eq, and when hooked to an amp that will put an honest 800 watts into an 8 ohm load, will go "knock your hat off" loud without even bi-amping.
The Community M12's are also verrry good, but not quite the amazing bargain the others represent.
All money well spent. Great resale value. You will notice they are hard to find used cause few people who own them want to sell them. Have fun. Good luck, Chuck
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I like the Microwedge, but recently fell in love with the Martin LE 1200 that RMB Audio provided for a show.  I'm not positive of the price, but think they come in around $2000.  There is also the D&B Max 12.  Again, not sure of the price.

The JBL 712 is a fine wedge, and I have found it sounds best powered passively by a beefy amp, but I think all of the above wedges are capable of higher fidelity.
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I searched in the forums for similar content, but couldn't find anything recent...Apologies if I've overlooked a key thread.

I'm in the market for 6x compact, high spl monitor wedges for a regular venue gig mixing bands from foh. My budget is up to $2k ea retail. Tech rider friendly boxes ( w regard to branding ) is a must, as I'm trying to leverage the new purchase to seek new rentals of said monitor package outside of my current regular venue.

Recommendations anyone?

EV XW12a
Radian Microwedge or Apex 15's would actually be my first choice for passive use.
JBL VRX915M, or SRX712M

For 2k a box you kind of have your pick of lots of new stuff and maybe some used L'Acoustic, EAW Microwedges or even Clair 12AM's if you make sure their in decent shape and you get the processing in the deal.
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I searched in the forums for similar content, but couldn't find anything recent...Apologies if I've overlooked a key thread.

I'm in the market for 6x compact, high spl monitor wedges for a regular venue gig mixing bands from foh. My budget is up to $2k ea retail. Tech rider friendly boxes ( w regard to branding ) is a must, as I'm trying to leverage the new purchase to seek new rentals of said monitor package outside of my current regular venue.

Recommendations anyone?

Hey Brian,

What about a used Clair 12AM package? You can find them on soundbroker.com with amps ready to go. They are not too big, and sound great. Everyone knows them so they are good for rentals. I still associate those with top quality all around. You can likely pick up a package for relatively little money since they have been out for a while now and save some cash in the process.


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JBL SRX 712m. I have found they work best when bi-amped. Great light weight in addition to very good sonic behavior. They are also consistent across a span of serial nos., not always the case in live audio..

Take the Clair name off of the 12am and they ain't that great by modern standards.
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I like the Microwedge, but recently fell in love with the Martin LE 1200 that RMB Audio provided for a show.  I'm not positive of the price, but think they come in around $2000.  There is also the D&B Max 12.  Again, not sure of the price.

The JBL 712 is a fine wedge, and I have found it sounds best powered passively by a beefy amp, but I think all of the above wedges are capable of higher fidelity.


Max 12 comes in under $2000, and you can use it with any amp. Sounds great!
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thanks everyone for their input.  Im leaning towards the Martin LE1200s at this point... but haven't gotten a final quote on them yet.  I'll let you know which way I end up going.
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Re: Compact, high spl, tech rider friendly monitor wedge recommendations?
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2011, 12:42:38 am »

thanks everyone for their input.  Im leaning towards the Martin LE1200s at this point... but haven't gotten a final quote on them yet.  I'll let you know which way I end up going.

LE1200s are a very good choice.
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Re: Compact, high spl, tech rider friendly monitor wedge recommendations?
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2011, 03:12:02 pm »

thanks everyone for their input.  Im leaning towards the Martin LE1200s at this point... but haven't gotten a final quote on them yet.  I'll let you know which way I end up going.

The LE1200 is a great sounding wedge.  Either full range or biamped.  There are some really good Martin folks around CA, if you need dealer names I'm happy to provide some.
Keep in mind that these can be ordered in mirror image pairs.
All LE1200's built for the US have two sets of NL4's.  One pair underneath along with the Active/Passive switch and one in each end inside the handle socket.
Be sure to get the correct processor settings.

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Re: Compact, high spl, tech rider friendly monitor wedge recommendations?
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2011, 10:37:55 pm »

How do the LE 1200 sound passive?  I've only heard them bi-amped.
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Re: Compact, high spl, tech rider friendly monitor wedge recommendations?
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2011, 05:12:33 pm »

How do the LE 1200 sound passive?  I've only heard them bi-amped.

Never heard them bi-amped. Always used them passive, and they sound great! Seem to require a reasonable amount of power. Recomended amps give bout 1400 watts into 8 ohms.

I would like to know, how loud do the d&b max12's go vis-a-vis the 712's and the 1200's ?? With a power requirement not exceeding 500w, and priced (if im not mistaken) between the 712 and the 915's, they seem to make great amp speaker package in a budget, if running on 3rd party amps, passive.
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Re: Compact, high spl, tech rider friendly monitor wedge recommendations?
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2011, 05:17:20 pm »

How do the LE 1200 sound passive?  I've only heard them bi-amped.

Also, from the LE1200 datasheet :
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Driven actively, the LE1200S is best used with the DX1.5 controller to
provide crossover, limiting and EQ functions. When operated in passive
mode the LE1200S, may be used without a controller, but benefits from
the EQ and limiting functions of the DX1.5. This also ensures that both
active and passive configurations will exhibit the same tonal balance
when used together on stage
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Would not this statement totally defeat the purpose of running them bi-amped, unless we are getting some serious extra juice ?
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Re: Compact, high spl, tech rider friendly monitor wedge recommendations?
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2011, 05:19:10 am »

A venue I work at just purchased 6xPS15 wedges (we're powering them with Camco D-Power 4 amps and running the PS15s in passive mode), and I am constantly impressed by them.  Quite a bit of bottom end to these, I tend to carve a bit out if there's just vocals running through them, but makes them fairly friendly when someone wants kick drum (etc), in their mix.  The best thing about these that I first noticed was the SPL... They just crank!  Over here (Sydney, Australia), they are rider friendly for sure, and out of all the monitors I've used in various venues, these have the BIGGEST sound.  By that I mean they accommodate a fuller frequency range and have a lot more 'juice' before distortion.

Just my 2 cents.
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Re: Compact, high spl, tech rider friendly monitor wedge recommendations?
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2011, 06:38:50 pm »

Also, from the LE1200 datasheet :
Would not this statement totally defeat the purpose of running them bi-amped, unless we are getting some serious extra juice ?

Just because they have the same tonal balance does not mean they sound the same when run passive vs. bi-amped.

Sonically they are a better biamped as you can better accommodate the HF and LF drivers EQ needs when processed biamped.  Also, you can better configure limiting for each driver when compared to the compromises you make when limiting both combined.
Other than sonics the issue would be rider requirements.  If most say bi-amp then, bi-amp it is.

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