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Jim Le Gros

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Ambient boundary mic?
« on: May 23, 2011, 06:49:03 am »

Hi all,
I am looking for boundary mics with a cardoid pattern, these would be used as a pair of ambients for an Aviom type IEM system in a Church, Consideing the budget I am thinking about supplying Audix ADX60 mics (UK 174 or US $220ish) http://www.audixusa.com/docs/products/ADX60.shtml Trouble is there seems to be absoloutly no reviews around on the web (good or bad), So I supect that no one is familliar with these, please let me know if you have liked/detested these if you have tried them? I am a bit surprised that Audix have not made more effort to get them reviewd by the industry or more out there!

Any way from your experiance would you like to propose any other suitable mic products near this price range? These will be mounted on a stage area - Flat hard floor, one facing the congregation and the other picking up ambiant musician noise so it'll mostly get a lot of Drum kit, Elect guitar & Bass amp (Vocalists are'nt very strong, unfortunatley). They will have to be of reasonable build quaility as most of the sysetm is set-up every week, so I hope to get something that is fairly rugged in construction and connector quaility.

Thanks in advance,

Jim.
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Re: Ambient boundary mic?
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2011, 08:35:55 am »

I am also considering the BEYER MPC65v !
Will have a look at its directional qualities.
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Re: Ambient boundary mic?
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2011, 01:13:28 pm »

And the intent for these mics is?

I understand the need to hear the "room" for people with In Ears.

But the band/vocals? The Aviom should be getting monitor/channel feeds from the mixer for all the instruments, vocals, etc.  A boundary mic will indeed pick up the drums well, some amps, and hardly any vocals.

Bob

I am also considering the BEYER MPC65v !
Will have a look at its directional qualities.

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Re: Ambient boundary mic?
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2011, 01:42:46 pm »

And the intent for these mics is?

I understand the need to hear the "room" for people with In Ears.

But the band/vocals? The Aviom should be getting monitor/channel feeds from the mixer for all the instruments, vocals, etc.  A boundary mic will indeed pick up the drums well, some amps, and hardly any vocals.

Bob

I'm with Bob. Why would you want an ambient mic t undo all that the monitor mix has done? It seems like a waste of an Aviom control channel to me.

Mac
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Re: Ambient boundary mic?
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2011, 02:13:51 pm »

And the intent for these mics is?

I understand the need to hear the "room" for people with In Ears.

But the band/vocals? The Aviom should be getting monitor/channel feeds from the mixer for all the instruments, vocals, etc.  A boundary mic will indeed pick up the drums well, some amps, and hardly any vocals.

Bob

I'm with Bob. Why would you want an ambient mic t undo all that the monitor mix has done? It seems like a waste of an Aviom control channel to me.

Mac

Looks like a solution in search of a problem.
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Re: Ambient boundary mic?
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2011, 04:45:53 pm »

Hi,
I think I have a habbit of thinking out loud in a forum such as this, so apologies to Bob & Mac.
With regard to the uses of the mics: The first is specifically requested so that the musicians can hear the congregational singing, the second is a bit less certain there will be occasions when a choral group will be singing with the band and micing may not be available or at times the drum kit may not be mic'ed, there could be other occasional purposes for it too.
The vocalists are directly mic'ed and their signals wil be routed directly back into the Aviom system I was simply commenting that there was little chance of hearing the vocalists above the louder instruments on-stage.

So if any one would like to comment on the mics I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,
Jim.
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Re: Ambient boundary mic?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2011, 12:45:52 pm »

I have no data or have not used these mics.

We have always used small condenser(s) as audience mics - on a stand, aimed at the audience. Experience was with SM81, Oktava MK012. I am sure most any small condenser will work. They also will be more friendly as far as directionality and being able to adjust what is picked up based on their directionality AND if the choir is not mic'd, use the small condenser's to mic them (and send to the Aviom) or if the drumset is not mid'c, use one as an overhead or place by the right ear of the drummer aimed a the drumset (favoring the snare) and you now have a usable drum mic that can also be sent to the aviom.

The boundary mics will be of little use other than - uh, boundary mics whereas small condensers can be used in many situations....

Just a thought.

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Re: Ambient boundary mic?
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2011, 05:06:49 pm »

I haven't used your choice but I have used a few Boundry mics.  Most seem to be close to Omni no matter what they say.  The big exceptions are.

Crown PCC 160 and the Bartlet TM125  http://www.bartlettmics.com/tm125-1.html

The TM-125 fits your budget and is available without the miniature connector on the end of the mic so it is more rugged

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Re: Ambient boundary mic?
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2011, 05:12:21 pm »

small condensers can be used in many situations....

Just a thought.

Such as "boundary" mics in the proper configuration/positioning.
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Re: Ambient boundary mic?
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2011, 08:04:47 pm »

Hi Guys,
Thanks, your input is appreciated  :)

Experimentally I would like to try a boundary mic especially as it will not need a mic stand, and I also know that the Church would benifit from buying a few decent quality directional condensors, so I am going to see what budget we have to work with, and perhaps try a bit of both.

Thanks again.

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