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luis Markson

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stepping up to a new level
« on: May 12, 2011, 10:03:13 pm »

I've been asked to mix a gig next week that is well beyound my previous experience. Luckily it's a walk in, so at least the physical pressure is off.

My FOH experience is relatively limited. At one point I was doing maybe 1 FOH gig a month for a cover band, but now my FOH gigs have been even more sparatic and ridiculously ecelectic - metal, orchestral, acoustic and so on.

The gig I've been asked to do is for a well respected and highly experienced artist, known nation wide. I believe the only reason I've been asked is because they can't find anyone else. The status of the artist is no higher that acts I've worked for during my time as a monitor op, but well beyond my FOH experience.

The style of music is rat pack style crooning, something I've not mixed before nor really ever listened too.

I've yet to get info on the rig so I'm in the dark with that too.

So I'm at two minds about this. On one hand I'm concerned that I wont be able to meet the standard required, and may damage my reputation, on the other hand I''m excited at the prospect of a chalange. I know I underestimate my abilities at times and have manage to rise to meet challanges in the past.

My approach would be to keep things really simple, minimal eq, dynamic processing and fx and just to concentrate on keeping vocals clean and clear.

I'm really hoping to make my next carrer move a return to audio, and need to get started somehow.

What have others done in this situation?


 
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Re: stepping up to a new level
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2011, 10:19:34 pm »


The style of music is rat pack style crooning......



My approach would be to keep things really simple, minimal eq, dynamic processing and fx and just to concentrate on keeping vocals clean and clear.


You've boiled it down to the essentials.  Given the style IME the will want zero reverb and little or no compression.  Crooners usually work the mic, holding it farther away when belting it out, etc.

If they want something, they'll ask for it.  If they ask for it, give it to them.
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Re: stepping up to a new level
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2011, 10:22:49 pm »

FWIW:
Keep everything simple (at first).  It will be important to "feel" the band and how they play.  After a couple, or so, songs, you should have a pretty good idea of what to increase/decrease or who's fader you may need to ride.

Keep the EQ and effects under control (not too much, but not too little).  Make sure the channels aren't peaking out.  And with "rat pack" style, make sure the vocals are clear and warm (i.e. may need a bit more reverb - depending on the hall).
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Re: stepping up to a new level
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2011, 11:39:53 pm »

I've been asked to mix a gig next week that is well beyound my previous experience. Luckily it's a walk in, so at least the physical pressure is off.

My FOH experience is relatively limited. At one point I was doing maybe 1 FOH gig a month for a cover band, but now my FOH gigs have been even more sparatic and ridiculously ecelectic - metal, orchestral, acoustic and so on.

The gig I've been asked to do is for a well respected and highly experienced artist, known nation wide. I believe the only reason I've been asked is because they can't find anyone else. The status of the artist is no higher that acts I've worked for during my time as a monitor op, but well beyond my FOH experience.

The style of music is rat pack style crooning, something I've not mixed before nor really ever listened too.

I've yet to get info on the rig so I'm in the dark with that too.

So I'm at two minds about this. On one hand I'm concerned that I wont be able to meet the standard required, and may damage my reputation, on the other hand I''m excited at the prospect of a chalange. I know I underestimate my abilities at times and have manage to rise to meet challanges in the past.

My approach would be to keep things really simple, minimal eq, dynamic processing and fx and just to concentrate on keeping vocals clean and clear.

I'm really hoping to make my next carrer move a return to audio, and need to get started somehow.

What have others done in this situation?

Hopefully the system will have a system tech? If the console is a digital like a DM5 or SC48 you'll NEED help, and the tech is then your best friend.

Try and forward the show (find out everything you can before hand.. right down to input lists and monitor needs)and get as much info as possible, because the more info you get the fewer surprises you'll have.

Good luck!
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Re: stepping up to a new level
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2011, 01:12:54 am »

Hopefully the system will have a system tech? If the console is a digital like a DM5 or SC48 you'll NEED help, and the tech is then your best friend.

Try and forward the show (find out everything you can before hand.. right down to input lists and monitor needs)and get as much info as possible, because the more info you get the fewer surprises you'll have.

Good luck!
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I just found out it's LS9... I've used one once before when I was locked out of the majority of fuctions. It was a nightmare. Looks like I've got some reading to do...
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Re: stepping up to a new level
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2011, 09:54:19 am »

I just found out it's LS9... I've used one once before when I was locked out of the majority of fuctions. It was a nightmare. Looks like I've got some reading to do...

  Hello Luis,

  This new gig will be an experience.  As others have said, keep it simple.  Vocals on top, orchestra secondary.   If you have time...beg, borrow, or rent an LS9 for a day and play with it. Sure... you may break even on this gig, considering rental cost, but...the experience will be invaluable.

  Good Luck,
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Re: stepping up to a new level
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2011, 11:09:39 am »

I would advise you to let them know your situation before you take the gig.  Tell them up front that you don't have much experience on that mixer and none with that type of performer.  If the promoter (or whoever's booking you) thinks that's a big problem, better to find out before you're there over your head.  Could be they called you because there's nobody else, like you said. In which case, go do the gig and do your best.  Maybe they called you because they heard you did good somewhere else.
I guess the nugget here is: Don't misrepresent yourself.  Let them know you're confident you can figure it out but you might need a little more time than they'd expect from a seasoned guy.

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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2011, 05:20:15 pm »

I would advise you to let them know your situation before you take the gig.  Tell them up front that you don't have much experience on that mixer and none with that type of performer.  If the promoter (or whoever's booking you) thinks that's a big problem, better to find out before you're there over your head.  Could be they called you because there's nobody else, like you said. In which case, go do the gig and do your best.  Maybe they called you because they heard you did good somewhere else.
I guess the nugget here is: Don't misrepresent yourself.  Let them know you're confident you can figure it out but you might need a little more time than they'd expect from a seasoned guy.

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I did misrepresent myself. in this thread! the gig is today! (I don't know why I said next week). I spoke to them yesterday and told them I'd only used an LS9 once and that I want as much time as possible by myself before SC. When I get there today I'll be as open as possible without giving them cause to panic.
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Re: stepping up to a new level
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2011, 09:54:05 am »

I did misrepresent myself. in this thread! the gig is today! (I don't know why I said next week). I spoke to them yesterday and told them I'd only used an LS9 once and that I want as much time as possible by myself before SC. When I get there today I'll be as open as possible without giving them cause to panic.

How did it go?

Now that it's over, what would you do differently and how will you prepare for the next one?
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2011, 07:21:05 pm »

How did it go?

Now that it's over, what would you do differently and how will you prepare for the next one?

Acceptable. Band seemed happy and the audience loved the show. I've got a ton of questions so I'll start a de-brief thread when I get some time.
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Re: stepping up to a new level
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2011, 08:23:13 pm »

...My FOH experience is relatively limited....

I am somewhat jealous.

I've been running jobs on both monitor mixer and FOH for years. I consider myself to be more highly skilled than most unknowns. I've never been asked to mix for a nationally known band. All I get is shitty local bands who ask me to mix on the shittiest PA gear on the planet.

Maybe I need to raise my price.

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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2011, 09:58:12 pm »

I am somewhat jealous.

I've been running jobs on both monitor mixer and FOH for years. I consider myself to be more highly skilled than most unknowns. I've never been asked to mix for a nationally known band. All I get is shitty local bands who ask me to mix on the shittiest PA gear on the planet.

Maybe I need to raise my price.

(end rant)


Part of my trepidation comes down to my predisposition to underestimate my abilities and not really see the experience that I have had as what it is. When I got started on sound check I quickly realised that even though my movement around the desk was slow, my skills were appropriate for the gig, taking into account the location, venue and act.

I have worked with many national level acts, including those with songs in the charts, as a monitor op and am in the process of learning to transfer those skills to FOH. This is going to involve a lot of work in developing my abilities in the finer aspects of mixing and adaptation to a wider range of music styles.

It may very well be your location that is limiting your access to national acts. Is there a lot of competition for gigs? There aren't that many competent ops around my area, so my chances for better gigs is higher.

 
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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2011, 11:23:30 pm »

...It may very well be your location that is limiting your access to national acts. Is there a lot of competition for gigs? There aren't that many competent ops around my area, so my chances for better gigs is higher.

I would attribute it to equal parts of my poor location, client loyalty to existing engineers, and my own lack of pursuit. I could always go apply for work at Clair Brothers and attempt to clime the ladder. I could always apply for a business loan and invest heavily in advertising. I could always move to a large city and muscle my way in to the scene. I could always pound the pavement to hustle up gigs as house engineer at your better clubs. I could always write to all talent agencies and promoters within 100 miles and offer my services. But then, it is far easier to just sit here and complain. Besides, I already have a full-time day job and another part-time job that keeps me busy. Running sound is actually my third job.

Perhaps I misread your original post. I thought that you meant you were a rookie all around and the job just fell out of the sky and into your lap. I didn't mean to call you out. It was more of a spontaneous "Hey, wait a minute! How'd he do that?" reaction for me. That's all.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2011, 12:39:40 am »

...It may very well be your location that is limiting your access to national acts. Is there a lot of competition for gigs? There aren't that many competent ops around my area, so my chances for better gigs is higher.

I would attribute it to equal parts of my poor location, client loyalty to existing engineers, and my own lack of pursuit. I could always go apply for work at Clair Brothers and attempt to clime the ladder. I could always apply for a business loan and invest heavily in advertising. I could always move to a large city and muscle my way in to the scene. I could always pound the pavement to hustle up gigs as house engineer at your better clubs. I could always write to all talent agencies and promoters within 100 miles and offer my services. But then, it is far easier to just sit here and complain. Besides, I already have a full-time day job and another part-time job that keeps me busy. Running sound is actually my third job.

Perhaps I misread your original post. I thought that you meant you were a rookie all around and the job just fell out of the sky and into your lap. I didn't mean to call you out. It was more of a spontaneous "Hey, wait a minute! How'd he do that?" reaction for me. That's all.

I don't think you came across as snarky, just frustrated.

Have fun, good luck.

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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2011, 11:10:23 pm »

To Luis:
From your post I infer that you're responsible, do your homework, and are conscious of the areas in which you'd like to improve your skills (what some call weaknesses); they're only weaknesses if they're not on your radar, and you're not making forward progress. Don't beat yourself up.  :)

I worry about people who oversell themselves, lack self-management skills, and don't know what they don't know. Such a person might jump in feet-first, subjecting others to needless risk. You didn't. You acted responsibly.

Sounds like you're on the right path to me. 
 
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