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Shad Hall:
hi,

the other night at church, we decided to test out a theory. on the a&h gl2800 board we are using, we are taking advantage of the 8 group faders with #1 & #2 set to vocals. on the 8 vocalist channels, we panned the backup vocals to about 1:30 on the "even" side (for the #2 group fader) and the lead vocal left alone at the 12:00 position. i liked how this gave me control over the bg vocals separately from the lead singer in the group faders.

what is your input on this approach?

thanks

Brian Ehlers:
Is your house system a stereo system or mono?  In other words, do your odd groups feed a left cluster of speakers and your even groups feed a right cluster of speakers?  If so, then by panning the background vocals you just removed them (somewhat) from the left speaker cluster, which is probably not what you want.

If instead all of your groups are getting summed and are feeding mono speakers, then you could take your idea even further and hard-pan the lead and background vocals to different groups to give you even more independent control.  This is commonly done (not just with vocals) so that your 8-group board can really be used to create 8 independent groups (instead of 4 pairs).

Shad Hall:
Brian Ehlers wrote on Wed, 05 January 2011 15:12
Is your house system a stereo system or mono?  In other words, do your odd groups feed a left cluster of speakers and your even groups feed a right cluster of speakers?  If so, then by panning the background vocals you just removed them (somewhat) from the left speaker cluster, which is probably not what you want.

If instead all of your groups are getting summed and are feeding mono speakers, then you could take your idea even further and hard-pan the lead and background vocals to different groups to give you even more independent control.  This is commonly done (not just with vocals) so that your 8-group board can really be used to create 8 independent groups (instead of 4 pairs).


hi brian, it is a mono system setup. thanks for the input.

cheers

Dick Rees:
Run your backing vocals through a sub-group so you can process them as a group.  Run your lead vocals straight through and process them individually.  Pan your backing vocals L/R to taste so that when you solo the backing vocal sub-group you can better hear the overall balance before it gets sent to the mains, adjusting the individual BV channels as needed.

Shad Hall:
Dick Rees wrote on Wed, 05 January 2011 17:24
Run your backing vocals through a sub-group so you can process them as a group.  Run your lead vocals straight through and process them individually.  Pan your backing vocals L/R to taste so that when you solo the backing vocal sub-group you can better hear the overall balance before it gets sent to the mains, adjusting the individual BV channels as needed.

dick, i have read and re-read your thoughts and i'm wondering if i'm understanding you correctly.

ch.1~8 are vocalists
ch.1~8 are run through grp.1 & grp.2
(currently at the moment, i don't have anything merely through "mains" without being run through a sub-group.)

i believe you to be saying/suggesting that i run all background vocals (ch.2~8) through grp.1 & grp.2 and running ch.1 (lead vocal) not in a sub-group at all, but rather straight to the fader for the "mains".

is that right?

thanks

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