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[Chris Harwood]

Title says it all.  Cat 5 cabling, music AND virtual monitor mixer on a touch screen music stand.  Many other features.  Was looking at Aviom for a new church install, but this has sooo many more useful features.

But, what's like?  Any good?

[Jonathan Johnson]

I'll save you the trouble: http://www.samepagemusic.com/

[Arnold B. Krueger]

Chris Harwood wrote on Mon, 03 January 2011 01:34

Title says it all.  Cat 5 cabling, music AND virtual monitor mixer on a touch screen music stand.  Many other features.  Was looking at Aviom for a new church install, but this has sooo many more useful features. But, what's like?  Any good?

It looks great on paper. We just invested in Aviom, and I am now having second thoughts, based on this.

The basic idea seems to be to replace the Aviom musician's controllers @ $700 with some tablet PCs @ $1000 and get a ton more useful function.

If this pass at these ideas does not make it, I predict that people will try it again and again until they do make it.

I know how much time gets spent shuffling sheet music around my church, and anything that cuts that significantly would be a very good thing. The mixer is just cream. Very valuable cream,b ut just cream.

I wonder if this would faciliate projecting full musical scores for congregatoinal singing. That requirement has been wandering around our church for over a decade!

Somebody gests to be the pioneer!

[Thomas Harkin]

Chris Harwood wrote on Sun, 02 January 2011 19:34

Title says it all.  Cat 5 cabling, music AND virtual monitor mixer on a touch screen music stand.  Many other features.  Was looking at Aviom for a new church install, but this has sooo many more useful features. But, what's like?  Any good?

I know nothing about it, but would like to know, too.

I couldn't find any specs or pricing.  have you found any?

Thomas

[John M Gibby]

I think touch screen interfaces are here to stay, but there is one glaring (no pun intended) gotcha I see with these.  If used in a production where the stage goes black, the lighting director is not going to be happy.  Even just a few of these things glaring in the dark will destroy the mood of a dark set.  However, I think eventually they will design into touchscreens automatic dimming based on ambient light.  I'm sure some devices already have it, but I think all devices will have this somewhere down the road, even just to save battery life for battery-powered devices.  And devices such as this might even be remotely dimmed through DMX.  The church I worked in VA installed dimmable circuits to be able to dim the incandescent music stand lights just for that reason.

The idea is really slick though.  Combine the Planning & Play features with a soft version of Roland's M-48 mixing capabilities and you've got a killer product at least on paper.  The devil is in the details, so-to-speak.  So it remains to be seen how well it works in a real-world environment.

John

[Frank DeWitt]

I poked around and found this.
19" Touchscreen Performance Station with Software, 4GB    SamePage SPPS-M4  $950

Network Switch 24Port    SamePage SP24S  $700

16Ch Line Level Input Module    SamePage SPMX16L $1700

And the mix engine at about $2500 for 8 ch  (I think)

So, It looks like 10 stations will cost about $16,900 or about $1700 per person.

I don't own this system, I am just guessing based on this web site.
http://www.fullcompass.com/brand/SPG/show-all.html

Frank

[John M Gibby]

Pricing sounds good for all they say it will do.  However, looking on SamePage site, I notice there are reviews all the way back to 2007, but I've never heard of these.  Makes me wonder if the idea has a lot of cool factor, but in reality, the musicians don't like them and therefore they aren't that popular.

We need someone with first-hand experience to give us a run-down on them.

John

PS.  I do like FullCompass.  Erik is a good man!

[Kent Thompson]

I have seen that proco monitor system can interface with them.
http://www.procomomentum.com/?page=ears

[Frank DeWitt]

John M Gibby wrote on Tue, 04 January 2011 16:49

Pricing sounds good for all they say it will do.  However, looking on SamePage site, I notice there are reviews all the way back to 2007, but I've never heard of these.  Makes me wonder if the idea has a lot of cool factor, but in reality, the musicians don't like them and therefore they aren't that popular. We need someone with first-hand experience to give us a run-down on them. John PS.  I do like FullCompass.  Erik is a good man!

I think the mixer part was added in Nov 2008 It is by Pro Co
http://procomomentum.com/downloads/releases/Pro%20Co%20and%2 0Corevalus.pdf

Frank

[Jonathan Johnson]

John M Gibby wrote on Tue, 04 January 2011 12:57

I think touch screen interfaces are here to stay, but there is one glaring (no pun intended) gotcha I see with these.  If used in a production where the stage goes black, the lighting director is not going to be happy.  Even just a few of these things glaring in the dark will destroy the mood of a dark set.  However, I think eventually they will design into touchscreens automatic dimming based on ambient light.  I'm sure some devices already have it, but I think all devices will have this somewhere down the road, even just to save battery life for battery-powered devices.  And devices such as this might even be remotely dimmed through DMX.  The church I worked in VA installed dimmable circuits to be able to dim the incandescent music stand lights just for that reason. The idea is really slick though.  Combine the Planning & Play features with a soft version of Roland's M-48 mixing capabilities and you've got a killer product at least on paper.  The devil is in the details, so-to-speak.  So it remains to be seen how well it works in a real-world environment. John

Black tape works for the ubiquitous LED, but I'm guessing it won't work here.

I like the idea of a DMX-capable monitor... wonder how long before someone implements it. If the monitor backlight is LED, it would be possible, but if it is a cold cathode lamp (like the kind in a flatbed scanner -- also used in many LCD monitors) then it probably wouldn't be truly dimmable. In that case, you'd be dependent on darkening the LCD elements, and that does not produce true darkness.

[Thomas Harkin]

Frank DeWitt wrote on Tue, 04 January 2011 15:17

I poked around and found this. 19" Touchscreen Performance Station with Software, 4GB    SamePage SPPS-M4  $950 Network Switch 24Port    SamePage SP24S  $700 16Ch Line Level Input Module    SamePage SPMX16L $1700 And the mix engine at about $2500 for 8 ch  (I think) So, It looks like 10 stations will cost about $16,900 or about $1700 per person. I don't own this system, I am just guessing based on this web site. http://www.fullcompass.com/brand/SPG/show-all.html Frank

DOH!

Thanks, Frank.  I didn't think to look at a retailer!

Thomas

[Chris Harwood]

I know a church nearby that has the setup all tied in with a couple Yamaha digital boards and will have to make an appointment to check it out.

The price is very comparable and all looks good that I've read on the internet... EXCEPT, is it a "fer reaL" and reliable product?

The music stands have been out for awhile, and I believe you'll see versions of them in orchestral pits, but I couldn't tell you if it's this brand or not.

Flipping different songs/sheet music on the fly, tied into OH projectors, rear wall projecting, texting to the booth, ordering pizza.... etc.  

Oh...but those "carnal" music stands!!

Maybe some one will chime in that has used 'em.

Thanks for all the replies so far.

[Bill Beach]

we went with a very cheap 'imitation'.  we bought 19" computer monitors, have a computer on stage, and a VGA distribution amp.  we run 4 to 5 monitors on stage and one remote for the projection booth.  we have a floor switch used for changing the pages on the monitors.  they are mounted 'sideways'.  that is, normally the widest part is across the stand, but we mounted with the widest part vertically.  there is a part of the program which will allow you to choose landscape (normal) or portrait and we use portrait.  this gives you a screen relative the size and shape of a pieced of paper.  the Worship leader puts together a Power Point slide show with the music (basically words and chords).  that is run on the computer on the stage and everyone sees the same page at the same time.  and no papers flying off the stand.  no one accidentally going to the wrong page.
this system works well for us.  no touch screen and it doesn't mix.  but then we have the Aviom for mixing.
just some thought for the little guys out there.

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