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Tim McCulloch

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Who was the unfortunate systems provider in...
« on: June 09, 2024, 08:01:10 PM »

...Las Vegas for a recent political event with a very unhappy presenter?
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Re: Who was the unfortunate systems provider in...
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2024, 08:58:37 AM »

and did they get paid? That said I'm unclear on did the prompters not work or were they unstable in the wind and thus unreadable? Same thing to the client of course but that may or may not have been something the vendor could have addressed. The techniques one brings to a hotel ballroom sometimes don't prevail on the desert in 110F heat. Who'da thunk?

...Las Vegas for a recent political event with a very unhappy presenter?
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Re: Who was the unfortunate systems provider in...
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2024, 10:11:46 AM »

The thing I learned about political events some 30 years ago, is "get paid up front."
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Re: Who was the unfortunate systems provider in...
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2024, 10:32:57 AM »

The thing I learned about political events some 30 years ago, is "get paid up front."

+1000 !

Blazing sun, 110F heat and a disgruntled 'client'. Wouldn't wish that gig on my worst enemy.

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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2024, 10:57:45 AM »

The thing I learned about political events some 30 years ago, is "get paid up front."
No guff. Also about 30 years ago, the company I was managing would get these last minute calls from a local Member of Parliament (MP)...on the order of "can you have a sound system at such-and-such community hall for 5:00 o'clock today?". This had been going on for years when I took over the position. When I dug into the details I discovered that the only way that they would pay is if you said "You still owe us for the last time..." then they would issue a check for the outstanding amount, and then leave us on the hook until the next election cycle. This all came to a head when his new campaign manager turned out to be a guy who had stiffed us for an entire convention (an unrelated, non-political convention...unless you consider tobacco wholesalers to be political ???).
Up here, we have something called a "Private Member's Bill", which means that any elected member can introduce a piece of legislation, regardless of whether they're in the majority party, or the opposition, or independent etc. These often fail to pass, but will occasionally if it's an emotional issue. Anyway, when the sketchy campaign manager called with the usual last minute request, I'd had enough. So I asked him..."Hey Bob, wasn't your guy the first MP to introduce a throbbing member's bill in the House?" Silence. They stopped calling after that, and I wasn't sorry to have "lost" the business.  :P
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Re: Who was the unfortunate systems provider in...
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2024, 11:28:15 AM »

I had to do a search to figure out what you guys were referring to (an exPresident Trump campaign rally). I should have guessed.

The news from that event said several people in the audience were treated for heat exhaustion. Sounds like a hot un...

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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2024, 12:52:23 PM »

I had to do a search to figure out what you guys were referring to (an exPresident Trump campaign rally). I should have guessed.

The news from that event said several people in the audience were treated for heat exhaustion. Sounds like a hot un...

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The individual wasn't as important as the "business" that was in question and is why I didn't mention names or affiliations.

When a presenter stands on stage and says you will not be paid, it opens a whole 'nuther discussion about how to handle more than the technical issues that made the client unhappy.
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2024, 01:18:49 PM »

Branding is more than logos and ad copy.

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When a presenter stands on stage and says you will not be paid, it opens a whole 'nuther discussion about how to handle more than the technical issues that made the client unhappy.

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Re: Who was the unfortunate systems provider in...
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2024, 01:31:54 PM »

Some jobs are far more high profile than others.  The high profile ones, things HAVE to work, no exceptions.  Any little hiccup can be a major issue.  Of course, this needs to come at an appropriate costs, and some high profile customers may balk at the cost to do the job correctly.  Those are the ones that you should tread very carefully in whether you decide to take the job or not.  It's a good idea to document shortcuts that were taken to cut the price and shift the liability of failure to the client.  However, that doesn't mean your name won't get drug through the mud when a failure happens anyway.

As far as political events go, yeah, cash up front before the truck gets unloaded. Don't care if it's last minute. Political campaigns tend to hire services and not have the money to pay for them. Once the campaign is over, the staff involved disappears and getting money after the fact becomes nearly impossible.  It's like getting money from a business that's disolved.
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2024, 03:21:40 PM »

The individual wasn't as important as the "business" that was in question and is why I didn't mention names or affiliations.

When a presenter stands on stage and says you will not be paid, it opens a whole 'nuther discussion about how to handle more than the technical issues that made the client unhappy.

I finally saw the video clip of him saying that he doesn't pay contractors who do "expletive deleted" work. I don't know the whole story or whether the vendor was paid, and don't really care. While I understand that you guys do.

I trust that this was not some partisan funny business.

Sounds like it was a hot time for all involved.

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