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[Al Rettich]

Does anyone have rigging details for any smaller (3500 seat) amphitheaters? Even better if you have Fraze, PNC, Rose here in Southwest Ohio. Have a chance to help make a venue that the engineers and designers don't screw up.

[Mike Caldwell]

Does anyone have rigging details for any smaller (3500 seat) amphitheaters? Even better if you have Fraze, PNC, Rose here in Southwest Ohio. Have a chance to help make a venue that the engineers and designers don't screw up.

Just make a list of everything that needed done and wasn't and ever goofy thing that was done making the job harder at every placed you have worked?
Yea that could turn into a long list!!!!

[Helge A Bentsen]

First thing that springs to my mind:
- Load-in where everything can roll from the truck to the stage.
- Easy way to pull your own snake from stage to FOH.
- Points everywhere.

[Mike Caldwell]

For load in, both dock and street level.
Plenty of work light.
Easy power tie in, lugs, cams, CS 50amp Hubbell.
Handy restrooms.

[Rick Earl]

Does anyone have rigging details for any smaller (3500 seat) amphitheaters? Even better if you have Fraze, PNC, Rose here in Southwest Ohio. Have a chance to help make a venue that the engineers and designers don't screw up.

I was asked to come up with similar specs for an arena, I did, they laughed and said it was ridiculous and proceeded to build a place that is so limited, they couldn't book the acts they wanted because they didn't even have the capacity to fly their PA - -  -  BUT I still stand behind my methods, I looked at tours and shows going into similar venues, looked at similar venues, talked with touring riggers and local riggers and came up with some specifications.   Remembering that audience layout also determines PA coverage needs and you might need more capacity on sound points.     One of the sticking points with our designers was they couldn't understand why we needed more PA when there was an installed system, or why we might need to rig video if there was already a giant screen in the room for the scoreboard. 

[Dave Pluke]

I was asked to come up with similar specs for an arena, I did, they laughed and said it was ridiculous and proceeded to build a place that is so limited, they couldn't book the acts they wanted because they didn't even have the capacity to fly their PA

Not surprising.

@Al - figure out what you really need, then double it. When the "Value Engineering" fun begins, with any luck, they'll whittle it down to the real number.

Dave

[Rick Earl]

When the "Value Engineering" fun begins, with any luck, they'll whittle it down to the real number.

HaHaHaHa - When I said "you value engineered the functionality out of it" , they got mad and told me that they don't "value engineer".  About a week later I went to the engineer of record's website to get some information.  The home page said "(Insert company name here)- "Engineering value for our clients".  I guess it matters what order you put the words. 

[Dave Pluke]

The home page said "(Insert company name here)- "Engineering value for our clients".  I guess it matters what order you put the words.

Apparently!   

My former Structural Engineering firm designed an NBA Arena, a major Theater and at least one Amphitheater that I recall. Required Rigging Loads came from somewhere else - we just sized members accordingly.

Dave

[John Sulek]

Does anyone have rigging details for any smaller (3500 seat) amphitheaters? Even better if you have Fraze, PNC, Rose here in Southwest Ohio. Have a chance to help make a venue that the engineers and designers don't screw up.

Have you tried the venue technical contacts for Fraze or PNC? That info should be readily available in the production advance package.

[Al Rettich]

I don’t have access to either.

Have you tried the venue technical contacts for Fraze or PNC? That info should be readily available in the production advance package.

[Brook Hovland]

You know what a camel is, don't you?  It's a horse designed by an engineer or designer...

Does anyone have rigging details for any smaller (3500 seat) amphitheaters? Even better if you have Fraze, PNC, Rose here in Southwest Ohio. Have a chance to help make a venue that the engineers and designers don't screw up.

[Tim McCulloch]

I don’t have access to either.

"Tech packs" should be available from venues upon request.

My experience is that architects and municipal planning committees have no idea how many ways producers would want to use the venues, and that location and capacity of rigging points and electrical services directly affect the ability of the venue to be used (i.e. rented out).  The committees and architects will deny that anyone would use the facility differently, and by the 2nd event or show they will be proven wrong - but there will be no way replace, fix, or correct the built-in shortcomings.

[John Sulek]

I don’t have access to either.

 I have the "tech pack" pdf file from Rose Music Center for 2022 if that is helpful. Send me a message and I could email it to you.

[Al Rettich]

That'd be great!

I have the "tech pack" pdf file from Rose Music Center for 2022 if that is helpful. Send me a message and I could email it to you.

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