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Al Rettich

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Intermodulation Analysis Software.
« on: November 23, 2023, 11:19:29 AM »

Hey everyone. 
First off Happy Thanksgiving.  My work Mac died.  Instead of going back to a Mac I purchased a Surface Pro.  Most of the software I used, had a PC version.  However, I’m looking for an Intermodulation Analysis software that will work with my RF Explorer, then take that scan into WWB, or be able to do calculations on its own.  I know of IAS, great software just hoping not to spend that much money. Any recommendations. 
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Re: Intermodulation Analysis Software.
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2023, 12:36:06 PM »

Hey everyone. 
First off Happy Thanksgiving.  My work Mac died.  Instead of going back to a Mac I purchased a Surface Pro.  Most of the software I used, had a PC version.  However, I’m looking for an Intermodulation Analysis software that will work with my RF Explorer, then take that scan into WWB, or be able to do calculations on its own.  I know of IAS, great software just hoping not to spend that much money. Any recommendations.

What about just using WWB? RF Explorer scans are supported. If you still need UHF-R support, just download v6.
Soundbase Coord is another great option (full featured free version but you need to be online). Superb support. An offline subscription fee version upcoming.
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2023, 02:37:03 PM »

What about just using WWB? RF Explorer scans are supported. If you still need UHF-R support, just download v6.
Soundbase Coord is another great option (full featured free version but you need to be online). Superb support. An offline subscription fee version upcoming.
+1 to what John said. You might also look at Rational Waves.
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Re: Intermodulation Analysis Software.
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2023, 03:59:47 PM »

I have a Gen 1 RF Explorer. How can WWB import the scans?
What about just using WWB? RF Explorer scans are supported. If you still need UHF-R support, just download v6.
Soundbase Coord is another great option (full featured free version but you need to be online). Superb support. An offline subscription fee version upcoming.
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2023, 07:41:35 PM »

I have a Gen 1 RF Explorer. How can WWB import the scans?
I'm not fluent in which gen of RF Explorer does what, but I thought they could all export a .csv file.
WWB will import .csv files (some minor tweaking was needed in the past, but the newer releases can deal with raw files from RF Explorer, TTi and others).
Worth a trail run for free.
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2023, 09:40:18 PM »

Will WWB see the RF explorer and conduct the scan? I don’t think so, but I don’t use it everyday like I use to. On the Mac side I used Touchstone to do the scan, convert then import into WWB.
I'm not fluent in which gen of RF Explorer does what, but I thought they could all export a .csv file.
WWB will import .csv files (some minor tweaking was needed in the past, but the newer releases can deal with raw files from RF Explorer, TTi and others).
Worth a trail run for free.
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2023, 04:20:55 AM »

Why not simply use WWB and scan with a spare receiver?
For most use cases this is way easier than having an extra analyzer on site. But, if you're doing scans pre show day I do see the need for a stand-alone scanner :)
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2023, 09:59:31 AM »

I was trained to have a scanner, and most companies will only send out enough receivers to do the job. 
Why not simply use WWB and scan with a spare receiver?
For most use cases this is way easier than having an extra analyzer on site. But, if you're doing scans pre show day I do see the need for a stand-alone scanner :)
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2023, 10:24:28 AM »

I was trained to have a scanner, and most companies will only send out enough receivers to do the job.

You can use one of the receivers to do a scan while setting up, then use that data to build your coordination. 

To be honest I don't often directly use a scan (from a spectrum analyzer, receiver, or even something like the Shure Spectrum Manager hardware) to do a coordination.  I'll use the scan to figure out which DTV stations are present, and to note any oddball frequencies present.
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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2023, 11:06:41 AM »

You can use one of the receivers to do a scan while setting up, then use that data to build your coordination. 

. While you can, you must remember that a receiver can only scan the frequencies that it can receive.  You’ll be looking through blinders.  A receiver can’t see  potential problems lurking just out of band e.g. T-moblie, video monitors/walls, LED stage lighting, security radios, etc.

One of the engineers that designed WWB told me that the program could consider this data if you provide it and that would likely lead to a better coordination.
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2023, 12:10:22 PM »

Don,
I spent many years touring having the fancy Rhodes scanner and IMS. I find the WWB has stepped up their game. My RF Explorer has been great.  I have plans to replace it next year.  But still have a few shows I need to get through.  Never known WWB to hook up to the Explorers.  Always had a third party app to make the .csv file.  Now that I’ve changed from Mac to PC looking for another app to do that.   
. While you can, you must remember that a receiver can only scan the frequencies that it can receive.  You’ll be looking through blinders.  A receiver can’t see  potential problems lurking just out of band e.g. T-moblie, video monitors/walls, LED stage lighting, security radios, etc.

One of the engineers that designed WWB told me that the program could consider this data if you provide it and that would likely lead to a better coordination.
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2023, 12:19:23 PM »

Don,
I spent many years touring having the fancy Rhodes scanner and IMS. I find the WWB has stepped up their game. My RF Explorer has been great.  I have plans to replace it next year.  But still have a few shows I need to get through.  Never known WWB to hook up to the Explorers.  Always had a third party app to make the .csv file.  Now that I’ve changed from Mac to PC looking for another app to do that.   

Why not check out the RF Explorer web page? https://j3.rf-explorer.com/40-rfe/article/120-software-for-rf-explorer
And it might be that your Touchstone licence can be used or transfered to your new computer. If it's the pro version. Although
Nuts About Nets is not the easiest guys to deal with...
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2023, 02:44:34 PM »

Before I posted here, I sent emails to NutsaboutNets support with no response.  I’ve got a show loading in Tuesday that has almost forty wireless freq’s needed. I guess I should’ve started by asking if anyone ever had this error.  Proper driver is installed. Have six cables that has been tried.  Connections checked and double checked.   
Why not check out the RF Explorer web page? https://j3.rf-explorer.com/40-rfe/article/120-software-for-rf-explorer
And it might be that your Touchstone licence can be used or transfered to your new computer. If it's the pro version. Although
Nuts About Nets is not the easiest guys to deal with...
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2023, 08:54:11 PM »

My RF Explorer has been great.  I have plans to replace it next year.

RF Explorers have been game changers for many.  The earlier models are limited with a limited amount of data collection (only 112 data points) but more recent models offer about 10x.  Their latest touch screen models offer a lot of features that were once available on some pretty high priced models and can send .csv files directly into a thumb drive.  Pretty slick.

https://j3.rf-explorer.com/rf-explorer-pro
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2023, 09:51:18 AM »

Before I posted here, I sent emails to NutsaboutNets support with no response.  I’ve got a show loading in Tuesday that has almost forty wireless freq’s needed. I guess I should’ve started by asking if anyone ever had this error.  Proper driver is installed. Have six cables that has been tried.  Connections checked and double checked.   

Where is your show located? Someone here might have a recent scan they could offer up as a starting point.
There is also a user submitted scan database as part of the Soundbase app and in the new version of WWB if there isn't one in the IAS database.
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Re: Intermodulation Analysis Software.
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2023, 03:41:03 PM »

Before I posted here, I sent emails to NutsaboutNets support with no response.  I’ve got a show loading in Tuesday that has almost forty wireless freq’s needed. I guess I should’ve started by asking if anyone ever had this error.  Proper driver is installed. Have six cables that has been tried.  Connections checked and double checked.   
If you're up against time, I suggest a workaround until you get your gear situation sorted out.
Set up a receiver in the first room. Run a Channel/Group scan & assign the provided freq. Turn on the transmitter & go to the next room. Repeat this process 40 times.
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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2023, 05:18:43 PM »

If you're up against time, I suggest a workaround until you get your gear situation sorted out.
Set up a receiver in the first room. Run a Channel/Group scan & assign the provided freq. Turn on the transmitter & go to the next room. Repeat this process 40 times.

War Gaming!  Here's a little video we put together to better explain the procedure.  https://youtu.be/wCmvw2or264?si=gC_Z31-L2R7Y9HrV
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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2023, 09:58:40 PM »

Going old school.. Yep war gaming.  It works. 
War Gaming!  Here's a little video we put together to better explain the procedure.  https://youtu.be/wCmvw2or264?si=gC_Z31-L2R7Y9HrV
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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2023, 11:35:11 AM »

Going old school.. Yep war gaming.  It works.

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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2024, 05:00:47 PM »

Hey everyone. 
First off Happy Thanksgiving.  My work Mac died.  Instead of going back to a Mac I purchased a Surface Pro.  Most of the software I used, had a PC version.  However, I’m looking for an Intermodulation Analysis software that will work with my RF Explorer, then take that scan into WWB, or be able to do calculations on its own.  I know of IAS, great software just hoping not to spend that much money. Any recommendations.

Checkout Soundbase.app
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