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[Mal Brown]

I expect this topic has been beaten with a stick by now bit as of June 2023, what's the best bet ?

Application is talking heads and background music at an outdoor sports trade show.   I have to make a wireless hop of 100' or less where I can transition to cable.

A few hundred cell phones in attendence at all times so I'm leary of the 2.4 band.  Needessly leary ?  Maybe...

Years ago I saw a video of someone using a Sennheiser IEM setup.  Is that still the preferred rig ?  Is it really as simple as xlr to the TX and then a short TS to XLR to a powered speaker ?

if so... is there a hard wire possibility for power ?

Alto Stealth is still out there.  Alto anything is another thing I might be leary of... maybe due to unfamiliarity and ignorance 
though...

Thanks!

Thanks!

[Brian Jojade]

For short hops, your standard wireless systems work great. You can either use an IEM transmitter and body pack on the receiving end, or a bodypack transmitter and a standard receiver on the opposite end.  If you get creative, you can use an IEM transmitter and a standard receiver, assuming you pick compatible devices. (pretty easy in the analog world)

Hardwiring for the battery depends on the type of connections in the bodypack, but should be just a simple DC power supply. (back when they used 9v batteries with the snap clips, it was super easy!

The Alto system looks like a nice dedicated system. I had them on order back when they were announced, but never got delivery of them.  Just like a wireless mic system, trusting them much over 100 feet becomes questionable.

[Mike Caldwell]

I use my Sennheiser IEM's as much if not more for wireless audio links.
With the Sennheiser's you can mate an IEM transmitter to a wireless mic receiver, using
external antennas on the receiver you can go well beyond 100'.

You do need to turn off the pilot option in the receiver.

[Mal Brown]

Thanks.  How about the 2.4g aspect of things.  My knee jerk is to stay clear but...

[Brian Jojade]

Thanks.  How about the 2.4g aspect of things.  My knee jerk is to stay clear but...

Avoid 2.4ghz for anything you want to reliably work.  While it may work MOST of the time, it wouldn't take much interference to cause issue.  And when 2.4 ghz devices have drop outs, it's not a fraction of a second like other wireless devices. Drop outs can last SECONDS, which is forever in the audio world.

[Brad Harris]

I'll use Senn IEM for many high end retail store gigs where cables are the sworn enemy, They fit great with powered speakers, but they aren't the same as a cable ... I'm unfamiliar with Sennheiser IEM to Wireless as we don't have any compatible systems.

When audio does count, Shure PSM1000 to UHFR has worked excellent in our applications, and no batteries required.


Brad

[Raul Suarez]

Shure ULXD or Axient work amazingly.  We have adaptor cables from the Belt pack antenna connector to BNC to connect to paddle antennas for longer distances and wall wart PSU's to replace the batteries in the belt pack transmitters.  As these are digital we have found them to be far super in the quietness of background noise compared to the Senn systems or Shure UFR/PSM systems we used in the past.  The analogue systems were fine with music played constantly, but much of the times that we need these they are for announce / dialogue that has frequent quiet or dead air times and the analogue noise was noticeable.  The digital systems obviously do not have that.  The Axient system in particular is amazing for long distance leaps working reliably at well over 1000 feet.

[Tim Hite]

I expect this topic has been beaten with a stick by now bit as of June 2023, what's the best bet ?

Application is talking heads and background music at an outdoor sports trade show.   I have to make a wireless hop of 100' or less where I can transition to cable.

A few hundred cell phones in attendence at all times so I'm leary of the 2.4 band.  Needessly leary ?  Maybe...

Years ago I saw a video of someone using a Sennheiser IEM setup.  Is that still the preferred rig ?  Is it really as simple as xlr to the TX and then a short TS to XLR to a powered speaker ?

if so... is there a hard wire possibility for power ?

Alto Stealth is still out there.  Alto anything is another thing I might be leary of... maybe due to unfamiliarity and ignorance 
though...

Thanks!

Thanks!

Lectrosonics Duet IEM will now talk directly to all Lectrosonics digital mic RX as well as the M2R and DCHR belt packs.

[Scott Helmke]

Sennheiser IEM is still a totally valid solution, or you can use Shure PSM900 or 1000 as a "point to point" transmitter to a UHF-R receiver.  Shure also sells an external power kit for the newer PSM beltpacks.

Avoid 2.4GHz at all costs.

[Mal Brown]

Is there a downside to the approach of Board to IEM TX and then Body pack receiver, TRS 1/8th wired TS to XLR M and powered speaker ?   This sounds like the cheap seats to me...

Sounds like using an IEM TX to a wireless mic RX is the other viable solution.  That sounds like buying 2 complete systems to me.  Which if it is absolutely the way to go, is not beyond reach.

[Dave Garoutte]

Paddles at each end help.
Also, one Tx can reach multiple Rx

[Scott Helmke]

Is there a downside to the approach of Board to IEM TX and then Body pack receiver, TRS 1/8th wired TS to XLR M and powered speaker ?   This sounds like the cheap seats to me...

The only real downsides are
a) battery powered, so possible failure if not periodically checked
b) can't put a bigger antenna on Sennheiser Evo packs.

The upside is that it's practically invisible, you just tape the pack to the top of the speaker and let the antenna stick up.

[Mac Kerr]

Is there a downside to the approach of Board to IEM TX and then Body pack receiver, TRS 1/8th wired TS to XLR M and powered speaker ?   This sounds like the cheap seats to me...

Sounds like using an IEM TX to a wireless mic RX is the other viable solution.  That sounds like buying 2 complete systems to me.  Which if it is absolutely the way to go, is not beyond reach.

The advantage of using an IEM transmitter to Mic receiver is that it lets you use directional paddles or helical antennas at both ends, maximizing you RF signal to noise ratio.

Mac

[Mike Caldwell]

The upside is that it's practically invisible, you just tape the pack to the top of the speaker and let the antenna stick up.

For some remote fill speakers the pack fits perfect in the handle pocket on the top of my RCF speakers.

[Mike Caldwell]

The advantage of using an IEM transmitter to Mic receiver is that it lets you use directional paddles or helical antennas at both ends, maximizing you RF signal to noise ratio.

Mac

Done that many times!!

[Tim Hite]

For some remote fill speakers the pack fits perfect in the handle pocket on the top of my RCF speakers.

My Lectro and other belt packs will also clip right on to a small length of 4" cable path tape (the kid with no adhesive in the middle) which allows for remote mounting anywhere you can stick the tape.

[Mal Brown]

Dipping my toe into the IEM solution first.  Had a brief conversation with Galaxy Audio.  Ordered one of their units in the 500 mhz range.  If the IEM solution alone proves unsatisfactory, they have a wireless mic receiver in the same band.  There is a jumper to be installed.  That I would put on a switch.   They also have a paddle antenna I can add at $199.


If I get call for more than one week a year, I may step it up if there are performance gains to be had.

Hope to be testing next week.

Thanks for all the inputs.

[Mal Brown]

well, the Galaxy showed up.  seems to work fine.  audiomquality is not copper but for talking heads out in the wind on the Hood River Waterfront, this oughtta work.  I may get the paddle and test that as well.

[Tim McCulloch]

well, the Galaxy showed up.  seems to work fine.  audiomquality is not copper but for talking heads out in the wind on the Hood River Waterfront, this oughtta work.  I may get the paddle and test that as well.

Galaxy is based in My Fair City.  Brock and his family still run the company.

[Mal Brown]

Galaxy is based in My Fair City.  Brock and his family still run the company.

Galaxy customer service seems to be really good.   Very forthcoming with seemingly useful info.  I tried the IEM rig by itself with Etymotic ear buds in stereo and not shabby.  Not copper quality but listenable.  For the investment level, honestly better than I was expecting.

Hopefully the next Ajit Pai won't obsolete it...

[Eugene Kang]

This is 11 months later, but just thought I'd mention I've used the Sennheiser EW-DP sets with great success. I've used analog IEM (PSM300 and ew300) before but when dropouts inevitably happen, the short burst of loud static coming out of the speaker can be quite disruptive. At least with the digital EW-D it'll drop out silently.

Senn also has an XLR plug-in transmitter that can plug straight in to an XLR cable that you can attach to a tall light stand or similar for best range. The beltpack transmitters work fine too, they just use a 3.5mm socket instead.

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