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Ned Ward

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In a Pinch...
« on: June 03, 2023, 02:02:02 PM »

My daughter had her final Jazz band concert, dubbed "Jazz under the stars." 5 hour show with a middle school and 2 high school jazz bands. She plays bass, and I know the sound guy from Marching band and indoor. I showed up early to drop her off for setup, and the sound guy asked if I had any mics, as they only had the Marching band shotguns and 2 PG58s... so went home and got my pelican and came back. 58's for solo mics (kids are used to playing to them or moving them to band mates if needed), 58 for announcer mic (the music director in the past would grab a shotgun mic and start trying to use it... ::) ) D6 in the kick, PRO37 for a drum overhead... and a e906 as a grand piano mic. Clearly not the first choice for piano, but it worked and got a great clean signal and allowed sound to add where needed.


Only downside was the guitar player insisted on using a horrible Marshall MG stack scooped for sonic mud vs. the Deluxe Reverb the school has. He played 2 solos that no one heard... I wish more kids understood bedroom tone vs stage tone...


but goes to show that sometimes the mic in your bag is the right mic for the job. Wouldn't have tried an e906 on grand piano before, but would try it again in a pinch, especially outdoors...
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Re: In a Pinch...
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2023, 06:04:57 PM »

My daughter had her final Jazz band concert, dubbed "Jazz under the stars." 5 hour show with a middle school and 2 high school jazz bands. She plays bass, and I know the sound guy from Marching band and indoor. I showed up early to drop her off for setup, and the sound guy asked if I had any mics, as they only had the Marching band shotguns and 2 PG58s... so went home and got my pelican and came back. 58's for solo mics (kids are used to playing to them or moving them to band mates if needed), 58 for announcer mic (the music director in the past would grab a shotgun mic and start trying to use it... ::) ) D6 in the kick, PRO37 for a drum overhead... and a e906 as a grand piano mic. Clearly not the first choice for piano, but it worked and got a great clean signal and allowed sound to add where needed.


Only downside was the guitar player insisted on using a horrible Marshall MG stack scooped for sonic mud vs. the Deluxe Reverb the school has. He played 2 solos that no one heard... I wish more kids understood bedroom tone vs stage tone...


but goes to show that sometimes the mic in your bag is the right mic for the job. Wouldn't have tried an e906 on grand piano before, but would try it again in a pinch, especially outdoors...
Most kids (and many gigging guitarists) use too much gain and scoop out their tone (you called it "bedroom tone").

Leads don't need that much gain to sound great .... and compression beyond what a good tube amp gives you naturally can just keep the notes from cutting through the mix as they should.  Guitar is a mid frequency instrument.  Cutting out all the mids sucks the life out of the lead :).

Jazz would have been MUCH better served on the Deluxe Reverb (which is nearly ideal).

Not a fan of the PG mics, but like you have had to make due with them once in a while (once in a great while ;) ).
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Re: In a Pinch...
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2023, 12:32:25 AM »

Most kids (and many gigging guitarists) use too much gain and scoop out their tone (you called it "bedroom tone").

Leads don't need that much gain to sound great .... and compression beyond what a good tube amp gives you naturally can just keep the notes from cutting through the mix as they should.  Guitar is a mid frequency instrument.  Cutting out all the mids sucks the life out of the lead :).

Jazz would have been MUCH better served on the Deluxe Reverb (which is nearly ideal).

Not a fan of the PG mics, but like you have had to make due with them once in a while (once in a great while ;) ).

Totally agree Scott - I get my gain from drive pedals with gain usually at 25-30% and favor lower drive pedals. But I get it if you're only practicing in your bedroom and don't play live a lot, but mids is where it's at.

Yep, the two PG (Pretty Good?) mics they had were pressed into service as otherwise it would have been just the shotguns for area, but as a solo mic they work. I bought one back in 1993 as a student short on cash and never again...
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Re: In a Pinch...
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2023, 09:36:17 AM »

Totally agree Scott - I get my gain from drive pedals with gain usually at 25-30% and favor lower drive pedals. But I get it if you're only practicing in your bedroom and don't play live a lot, but mids is where it's at.

Yep, the two PG (Pretty Good?) mics they had were pressed into service as otherwise it would have been just the shotguns for area, but as a solo mic they work. I bought one back in 1993 as a student short on cash and never again...

Back when Community introduced the M4 compression midrange driver their slogan: "Midrange is where the music is."
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Re: In a Pinch...
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2023, 11:12:23 AM »

Most kids (and many gigging guitarists) use too much gain and scoop out their tone (you called it "bedroom tone").

(as a gigging guitarist who puts lots of mids into my tone)  I can say, the reason many scoop their tone....is because it hides mistakes in their playing.
Everyone sounds like they can shred with a scooped Marshall MG.  And yeah, it's something that guitarists need to keep hearing so they keep trying to dial their tone.
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