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[Al Rettich]

I have a client telling me it’s possible to connect a Behringer X32 Rack and a Midas M32 to a Midas DL32.  One desk would be master, the other using digital gain.  I’m not able to find any paperwork on how to obtain this.  Anyone have paperwork on how to achieve this?

[Tim Verhoeven]

I have a client telling me it’s possible to connect a Behringer X32 Rack and a Midas M32 to a Midas DL32.  One desk would be master, the other using digital gain.  I’m not able to find any paperwork on how to obtain this.  Anyone have paperwork on how to achieve this?

I don't have any direct link to a document that describes this, but there are some Youtube video's about this. But it does indeed work as described. The mean reason that is works is internally the X32 and M32 family are the same, they have the same processors & DSP, they run the same firmware and use the same AES50 connection protocol.

The second reason is that the firmware in the DL32 is written so that the console connected to AES50 port A on the DL32 wil get headamp control (and thus analog gain), the console connected to AES50 port B will not get headamp control, so the console will only do digital trim.

[Russell Ault]

{...} Anyone have paperwork on how to achieve this?

Page 10 of the DL32 Quick Start Guide outlines the process (just replace one of the M32s depicted with an X32 Rack; they're functionally identical). Note that, in this configuration, the DL32 (and, IIRC, the Behringer S32) will not pass audio from the console connected to its AES50-B port directly to its XLR outputs, but does allow you pass 16 channels of audio in each direction between the two connected consoles (which, with a little bit of patching magic, would allow you to pass audio from "console B" to the DL32 XLR outputs by routing it through "console A").

-Russ

[Al Rettich]

If this is the case, can you take a PRO2, out at FOH and a X32 Rack off of a dL32?

Page 10 of the DL32 Quick Start Guide outlines the process (just replace one of the M32s depicted with an X32 Rack; they're functionally identical). Note that, in this configuration, the DL32 (and, IIRC, the Behringer S32) will not pass audio from the console connected to its AES50-B port directly to its XLR outputs, but does allow you pass 16 channels of audio in each direction between the two connected consoles (which, with a little bit of patching magic, would allow you to pass audio from "console B" to the DL32 XLR outputs by routing it through "console A").

-Russ

[Russell Ault]

If this is the case, can you take a PRO2, out at FOH and a X32 Rack off of a dL32?

I've never used a Pro2, but a quick bit of Googling suggests that it isn't capable of operating at anything other than 96kHz, which means it won't be able to talk directly to a DL32 (which, like the rest of the X/M32 platform, can only operate at 48kHz).

There are ways to share inputs between a Pro2 and an X32 Rack, but they all require resampling of some kind (including, IIRC, at least one Pro-series stage box that can output different sample rates on its separate AES50 outputs).

-Russ

[Helge A Bentsen]

I've never used a Pro2, but a quick bit of Googling suggests that it isn't capable of operating at anything other than 96kHz, which means it won't be able to talk directly to a DL32 (which, like the rest of the X/M32 platform, can only operate at 48kHz).

There are ways to share inputs between a Pro2 and an X32 Rack, but they all require resampling of some kind (including, IIRC, at least one Pro-series stage box that can output different sample rates on its separate AES50 outputs).

-Russ

Pro-series is 96K only, you can do 96K/48K with a DL231 stage box IIRC.
Another option to interface a M32/DL32 setup with a Pro series console is to use a DN9650 to convert from 48K to 96K. Preamp control would be with the M32, DN9650 doesn't transmit preamp information.

[Al Rettich]

Do you still get all your auxes and outputs at FOH?

Page 10 of the DL32 Quick Start Guide outlines the process (just replace one of the M32s depicted with an X32 Rack; they're functionally identical). Note that, in this configuration, the DL32 (and, IIRC, the Behringer S32) will not pass audio from the console connected to its AES50-B port directly to its XLR outputs, but does allow you pass 16 channels of audio in each direction between the two connected consoles (which, with a little bit of patching magic, would allow you to pass audio from "console B" to the DL32 XLR outputs by routing it through "console A").

-Russ

[Russell Ault]

Do you still get all your auxes and outputs at FOH?

Part of the power of the X/M32 platform (especially with the v4 firmware) is that you can assign a console's AES50 and Card outputs independently from its physical outputs, plugging in a stagebox doesn't have to impact what a console's local outputs are doing.

-Russ

[Tim McCulloch]

Do you still get all your auxes and outputs at FOH?

Why would you not?

[Al Rettich]

Had another question. If you use the M32 Waves card, and you purchase the DN9630 is it possible to utilize the waves card and record tracks as well?

[Russell Ault]

Had another question. If you use the M32 Waves card, and you purchase the DN9630 is it possible to utilize the waves card and record tracks as well?

The card I/O and the AES50 I/O are routed totally independently of each other.

-Russ

[Al Rettich]

A lot of the forums I see ppl saying that the waves card affects the recording.  So if you take your AES 50A port and copy to the B port looks like it should be fine recording? Also, haven’t seen any videos on utilizing waves on individual channels.  Mostly seeing outputs for the waves card. 

The card I/O and the AES50 I/O are routed totally independently of each other.

-Russ

[Russell Ault]

A lot of the forums I see ppl saying that the waves card affects the recording.  So if you take your AES 50A port and copy to the B port looks like it should be fine recording? Also, haven’t seen any videos on utilizing waves on individual channels.  Mostly seeing outputs for the waves card.

I mean, if you had previously been using the USB (or Live) card then changing over to a Waves card probably would impact multi-track recording capabilities, but a DN9630 would use an entirely different set of inputs and outputs (and yes, the X/M32 is perfectly happy taking everything coming in on AES50-A and sending it out on AES50-B, regardless of what you're sending to the card slot).

As for using Waves on channels, the biggest (perhaps the only?) routing limitation on the X/M32 platform is that channel inserts are severely limited. If you only want plugins inserted on a few channels (i.e. no more than 6) you can use the "Aux" insert option on those channels and then route the Aux ins and outs to and from the card slot. If you're looking for more channels than that, though, about the only way to achieve it is to route the audio straight from the inputs to the card, and then source the channels from the card; note that by doing it this way, you'll only be able to adjust the preamps from the Setup menu because they'll no longer show up on the channels (since the inputs won't be patched directly to the channels anymore).

-Russ

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