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adam.czarnecki

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BA thesis: MADI, AES50, DANTE
« on: January 19, 2023, 06:42:28 AM »

Hello.

I am writing BA thesis:
Description of modern protocols of multi-channel audio transmission on the example of protocols MADI, AES50 and DANTE.
Development and structure of protocols.
My thesis promoter pointed my to some website, including Pro Sound Web as a source for information in English language.
I am posting here because I have problems finding proper documents.
Patent papers, manuals, full technological descriptions.
I thought it would be better to ask for help from people much wiser and experienced than me.
English is my second language. I hope I didn't make too much mistakes.
Sorry if wrong section.
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Re: BA thesis: MADI, AES50, DANTE
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2023, 11:05:55 AM »

English is my second language. I hope I didn't make too much mistakes.
Sorry if wrong section.

Welcome, Adam!

Your English is at least as good as mine....and I was born in the U.S.  ;)

It might be more efficient to search for White Papers on the various Manufacturers' sites (e.g. Yamaha for Dante), as each one tends to develop their own standards when the Industry lags behind.

This forum would be a good place to ask about real-world experiences, once you have the technical bases covered.

Best of luck in your research,
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Re: BA thesis: MADI, AES50, DANTE
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2023, 01:00:24 PM »

Hello.

I am writing BA thesis:
Description of modern protocols of multi-channel audio transmission on the example of protocols MADI, AES50 and DANTE.
Development and structure of protocols....

...Patent papers, manuals, full technological descriptions.


Go straight to the sources!

https://avnu.org/ (this is for AVB)

https://www.audinate.com/learning/whitepapers (Dante)

https://www.aes.org/publications/standards/search.cfm?docID=17 (MADI)

https://www.aes.org/publications/standards/search.cfm?docID=45 (AES50)

You may have to do some digging. The AES standards must be purchased, but it's possible that your university library might have access to them through the digital commons. Check with your friendly local librarians!
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Re: BA thesis: MADI, AES50, DANTE
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2023, 02:15:12 PM »

Go straight to the sources!

This is my guidance as well. I like to start at the top -- if only to see what I’m up against. It also steers you clear of popular superstitions about a subject. Try to read the standards and definitions in detail and then dig deeper for the parts you don’t understand.

One of my professors in grad school (it was a digital image processing course, not that it really matters) had us choose technical articles from a list to read, understand and rewrite in our own words. A little odd for an engineering course but good life preparation on a number of levels.

Good luck and enjoy your studies.

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Re: BA thesis: MADI, AES50, DANTE
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2023, 04:09:23 PM »

You should immediately declare in your opening statemen that MADI is not a real networking protocol and that it shouldn't in included in discussions of networked audio. Then go on for the next 20 to 50 pages proving that thesis and attesting that MADI is outdated and should be relegated to the annuls of audio history, and how anyone who uses it should be ashamed of themselves.

At least that's what I would do if I was still in college and had the time and inclination to write a thesis on audio networking and transport protocols.
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Re: BA thesis: MADI, AES50, DANTE
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2023, 04:45:22 PM »

You should immediately declare in your opening statemen that MADI is not a real networking protocol and that it shouldn't in included in discussions of networked audio.

Tell us what you REALLY think, Justice   ;D

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Re: BA thesis: MADI, AES50, DANTE
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2023, 05:18:32 PM »

You should immediately declare in your opening statemen that MADI is not a real networking protocol and that it shouldn't in included in discussions of networked audio.

If this is based on networked audio, then I agree that non-networked protocols should not be included, such as MADI and AES50.

I would also include AES67 and ST-2110. 
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Re: BA thesis: MADI, AES50, DANTE
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2023, 06:55:42 PM »

If this is based on networked audio, then I agree that non-networked protocols should not be included, such as MADI and AES50.

I would also include AES67 and ST-2110.

This is interesting.

If I have 3 or 4 or more devices connected together via AES 50, and they are sending signal back and forth, isn't that a network?
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Re: BA thesis: MADI, AES50, DANTE
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2023, 08:17:11 PM »

This is interesting.

If I have 3 or 4 or more devices connected together via AES 50, and they are sending signal back and forth, isn't that a network?

I think the distinction is that neither MADI no AES50 are route-able protocols, rather they are point to point serial data delivery systems and not packet-switched payload.

Or I could be delusional.  And off my meds.  ;)
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Re: BA thesis: MADI, AES50, DANTE
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2023, 01:22:10 AM »

I think the distinction is that neither MADI no AES50 are route-able protocols, rather they are point to point serial data delivery systems and not packet-switched payload.

Or I could be delusional.  And off my meds.  ;)
All of the above can be true at the same time.   :P


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