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[Hadrien Othnin]

You had many similar threads going at the same time also, that was somewhat annoying.  The whole graphic EQ discussion bordered on pedantic. 


Where do you get your power for these ad hoc venues?


It's fine you are not motivated by financial means but most of us here earn our living in some sector of the industry.  You want to have a discussion and engage the hive mind here keep it to one thread at a time and be very clear what you are discussing. 


Out of personal curiosity what country are you in that looks the other way at squatters?

Most of the time we use a dedicated power generator (8kVA). During night times it is sometime required to kill all frequencies under 35-40Hz to free some power for light equipment, but luckily around summer complete darkness only lasts 4-5 hours.

I live and perform in Germany, Hamburg city. It is a federal state so "cool" police is a very local thing. And to clarify, they do not look the other way, it is just that in most cases the prevailing law that we are crossing is "trespassing on private property", which is most of the time some dead industrial corner that nobody cares about. So as Private Owners do not always bother picking up the phone on weekends, forcing us to leave without the owner's request would be an arbitrary decision which is not something Germans would accept easily. They could then try some safety concerns but we provide more than acceptable safety conditions. In such cases, the most relevant decision for them is to check us around every 2-3 hours to be sure the party is under control.

Sometimes Owners are paying private security companies that are entitled to speak in their name, in which case our only option is to move the complete party elsewhere. We call this "Plan B".

[Jeff Lelko]

I'm nearly certain that discussions about openly breaking the law are against forum rules here.  Doing so while sharing your full name and location is also a very poor idea.

...in most cases the prevailing law that we are crossing is "trespassing on private property", which is most of the time some dead industrial corner that nobody cares about. So as Private Owners do not always bother picking up the phone on weekends, forcing us to leave without the owner's request would be an arbitrary decision which is not something Germans would accept easily...

As an owner of land out in the country I'd be very upset if people trespassed on my property to conduct a DIY Coachella while I was out of town.  Laws aside that is extremely disrespectful of the property owner.

[Brian Jojade]

I'm nearly certain that discussions about openly breaking the law are against forum rules here.  Doing so while sharing your full name and location is also a very poor idea.

As an owner of land out in the country I'd be very upset if people trespassed on my property to conduct a DIY Coachella while I was out of town.  Laws aside that is extremely disrespectful of the property owner.

Yup.  Agreed.  Using other people's stuff without their permission is just wrong.

The whole idea of this just doesn't fit in the PRO sound web world. 

The idea that there's some magic sauce that can take things that we normally do on a regular basis that takes time and effort that can easily be re-packaged so that just anyone can do it in 30 minutes or less sounds awesome.  But if it could be done, do you think those of us that regularly have to lug equipment and pay people do do setups and configurations wouldn't have jumped on the chance to make things easier??

Good, Fast, Cheap.  Pick two that make you enough profit in the end to cover your expenses.

[Randy Pence]

legal venue or not, needing to get music going in 30 minutes and using inexperienced helpers would mean an ideal system uses dsp amps with patch bays, multicore cabling, pole mounted speakers, and potentially a dj-gear coffin. Anything else is distracting yourself and introduces additional points of failure.

[Peter Morris]

legal venue or not, needing to get music going in 30 minutes and using inexperienced helpers would mean an ideal system uses dsp amps with patch bays, multicore cabling, pole mounted speakers, and potentially a dj-gear coffin. Anything else is distracting yourself and introduces additional points of failure.

Exactly - its about the logistics of get a great sounding sound system in and out quickly ... and to add to your points - speakers, amplifier etc with wheels, ramps on your truck or van ... etc.

[Randy Pence]

Exactly - its about the logistics of get a great sounding sound system in and out quickly ... and to add to your points - speakers, amplifier etc with wheels, ramps on your truck or van ... etc.

It should go without saying that everything that goes into the van has wheels or is strapped to something that does!

[Ivan Beaver]

legal venue or not, needing to get music going in 30 minutes and using inexperienced helpers would mean an ideal system uses dsp amps with patch bays, multicore cabling, pole mounted speakers, and potentially a dj-gear coffin. Anything else is distracting yourself and introduces additional points of failure.

And it also "assumes" that everything will work correctly every time, and he won't have any broken connectors due to the "inexperienced help".

And how are they going to know enough to fix it?

There is also a difference between "just making sound come out" and having good sound come out.

[Brian Jojade]

There is also a difference between "just making sound come out" and having good sound come out.

And that difference is clearly a 31 band EQ. 

[Ivan Beaver]

And that difference is clearly a 31 band EQ. 

And in the hands of inexperienced help, it is even better--------------

I have also been told that a compressor/gate can really "fix" all sorts of problems with a sound system--------

And "delays" are bad, because they slow down the sound and make it "not as fast".

And DON'T EVER invert anything, because it makes it "backwards" to the rest of the signals.

And don't forget this little trick to get more power out of an amplifier.  If you run the output of one amp into the input of another, the power "adds up" for greater output.

Yeah, there is lots of "good wisdom and cures" out there, you just need to talk to the right people (who don't have a clue)

[Jeff Lelko]

Don't forget that all good systems need a BBE Sonic Maximizer! 

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